Firefox Myths
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by A. Duda
Friday, 23. May 2008, 12:42:34
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Charles Schloss # 10. June 2008, 16:52
Myth - "Firefox is the Most Secure Web Browser" - Example
Reality - Opera is currently the most Secure Graphical Web Browser in Windows. - Source"
Still is to this date
A. Duda # 10. June 2008, 18:47
Charles Schloss # 10. June 2008, 21:24
such as Firefox. Get It Now!
(Found on Youtube)
A. Duda # 10. June 2008, 21:43
It's a conspiracy
Charles Schloss # 10. June 2008, 21:46
such as Firefox
as the MythBusters would say BUSTED
A. Duda # 10. June 2008, 21:48
It's not even Plausible
Charles Schloss # 10. June 2008, 21:50
Andrew Nguyen # 14. June 2008, 13:06
Anonymous # 21. June 2008, 19:46
"Visit the above link for more information."
More disinformation, you mean ?
I'm a proud Opera user, but this link is nothing but lies and false claims. The "myths", the "quote", the "reality", everything is biaised, made by a pathetic Microsoft fanboy.
If you want something more accurate, go here :
http://www.webdevout.net/firefox-myths
and check this, for good measure :
http://www.webdevout.net/opera-myths
Anonymous # 22. June 2008, 14:05
First of all I am not a Microsoft fanboy and there are not any lies or false claims on the page. All the Myths are debunked with sources clearly linked to the truth about each Myth. People can read the sources to get the facts for themselves.
Anonymous # 5. July 2008, 10:49
Andrew Khan of OptimizeGuides/Firefox Myths/PopularTechnology has made it absolutely clear where he is starting from in his assessment of the Firefox browser:
Andrew K said...
Brown Wolf you're a stupid little fan boy and all the proof you need that Firefox is sh*t is right here:
firefoxmyths.com
Read it and weep fanboy.
http://www.cornswalled.com/2008/01/quickbooks-bug-frees-indiana-town-from.html
I notice Firefox Myths has been updated with the following disclaimer - This page originally came out in 2005 and thus the relevance of any Myth can change. This does not mean they will be removed from this page.
This seems to mean that any issues that are fixed in new versions of Firefox will not be updated, whist new issues will be added.
The page now mentions a vulnerability affecting Firefox 3.0. Apparently this debunks the "myth" of Firefox 3.0 security. The page then goes on to state "If...people were honestly concerned about security they would be using Opera". Opera has just fixed a similar vulnerability to the one in Firefox, yet that apparently is not a reason to question the "myth" of Opera security. Similarly, a vulnerability in IE7 at the same time (with exploit code in the wild!) is not mentioned because it doesn't fit with debunking the myth that Firefox is "More Secure than Internet Explorer 7".
Opera patches serious code execution flaw
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1431
Exploit code released for unpatched IE 7 vulnerability:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1370
Firefox Myths continues to be absurdly biased towards any browser that is not Firefox, because of Andrew Khan's obsessive hated of a piece of software, which, from his recent appearance on blog above, seems to stem from the open source=anti-American claptrap of the American extreme right.
Anonymous # 5. July 2008, 16:31
"First of all I am not a Microsoft fanboy and there are not any lies or false claims on the page."
Well, first of all there is the dishonesty of linking to your own blog as a "source of truth" on several occasions (Populartechnology is one of Andrew Khan's site), and of misquoting critics of Firefox Myths on the page to make it appear that they endorse the site (most infamously, Asa Dotzler, who labelled the author of Firefox Myths "scum" for just such a misquote).
And then there are these claims on the page, all lies:
"No I have never "spammed" this page anywhere
No I do not "Troll"
No I have never posted under any "Aliases""
The author of Firefox Myths has been caught out many times for posting his pages without claiming authorship. He's been banned from digg for spamming his sites, he's been labelled a troll and banned from countless forums as troll. He's typical of a troll- denigrating, insulting, abusive and entirely unwilling to acknowledge anybody else's opinion but his own. He's been caught out using multiple sock puppet names to defend his own page on various blogs- with conclusive evidence from IP addresses.
He did all this under the shield of anonymity, but has now given away his real name:
http://blog.matthewmiller.net/2007/09/debunking-firefox-myths-page.html#comment-5404806598880480514
What goes around, comes around: there's an Andrew Khan working in IT somewhere who must be very worried that his employers are going to find out that he's the laughing stock of the internet.
http://blog.matthewmiller.net/2007/09/debunking-firefox-myths-page.html#comment-5404806598880480514
Anonymous # 8. July 2008, 07:02
The Brown Wolf comment was not by me, it was made by an anonymous account to a blog.
All Myths relate to the version of Firefox when they were posted and the versions are clearly mentioned. The major myths still apply to Firefox 3.
Correct a Highly Critical vulnerability exists for Firefox 3 that is still not patched, users can make up their own mind if they think this means Firefox 3 is secure or not:
http://secunia.com/advisories/30761/
All Opera Security vulnerabilities have been patched:
http://secunia.com/product/10615/?task=advisories
Unlike Firefox.
The rest of your commentary is full of lies. But there are many users of Firefox who endorse my page:
"...your web pages are actually pretty good: I personally link to Secure XP" - MrFlibble (FreewheelinFrank)
"Last December I mentioned a site which sets out to portray Firefox in a ...favorable light. I now find myself ...quoted in the testimonials column to suggest that I support the site. I would like to point out that I do ...endorse the site." - FreewheelinFrank (MrFlibble)
Anonymous # 8. July 2008, 14:04
"The Brown Wolf comment was not by me, it was made by an anonymous account to a blog."
And just happened to use your name and link to your web site, Mr Khan?
I believe you, thousands wouldn't.
Anonymous # 8. July 2008, 14:55
"Correct a Highly Critical vulnerability exists for Firefox 3 that is still not patched, users can make up their own mind if they think this means Firefox 3 is secure or not:
All Opera Security vulnerabilities have been patched:"
A highly critical vulnerability existed in Opera for a time and was patched. A similar highly critical vulnerability has been found in Firefox. Let's hope, as with the Opera vulnerability, it's patched before exploit code is seen in the wild.
Meanwhile, as IE seems to have highly critical vulnerabilities too, and with exploit code in the wild, can we both agree that this most definitely means IE is *not* secure?
"Microsoft today issued stopgap instructions for plugging a previously unknown security hole that hackers are currently using to break into Windows computers via the Internet Explorer (IE) Web browser.
Microsoft warns that merely browsing with IE to a malicious (or hacked) Web site that exploits this vulnerability could be enough to compromise your system. So far, Redmond says it is seeing only "limited, targeted attacks" leveraging the vulnerability."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/07/microsoft_hackers_exploiting_u_2.html
The problem seems to be a "faulty ActiveX control. Wasn't ActiveX insecurity a myth, as explained on Firefox Myths? Never mind, there's no need to correct past inaccuracies, but feel free to add anything negative about Firefox you can find!
Anonymous # 8. July 2008, 15:32
Mr Andrew Khan seems to be up to his old tricks of misquoting people:
"Last December I mentioned a site which sets out to portray Firefox in a ...favorable light. I now find myself ...quoted in the testimonials column to suggest that I support the site. I would like to point out that I do ...endorse the site." - FreewheelinFrank (MrFlibble)
"Last December I mentioned a site which sets out to portray Firefox in a less than favourable light. Having criticised the site on several internet forums, I now find myself misquoted in the testimonials column to suggest that I support the site. I would like to point out that I do not endorse the site. The best answer to the site remains the excellent parody Firefox Fables."
http://www.geocities.com/dontsurfinthenude/blogarchive2.htm
Anonymous # 8. July 2008, 15:33
Mr Andrew Khan seems to be up to his old tricks of misquoting people:
"Last December I mentioned a site which sets out to portray Firefox in a ...favorable light. I now find myself ...quoted in the testimonials column to suggest that I support the site. I would like to point out that I do ...endorse the site." - FreewheelinFrank (MrFlibble)
"Last December I mentioned a site which sets out to portray Firefox in a less than favourable light. Having criticised the site on several internet forums, I now find myself misquoted in the testimonials column to suggest that I support the site. I would like to point out that I do not endorse the site. The best answer to the site remains the excellent parody Firefox Fables."
http://www.geocities.com/dontsurfinthenude/blogarchive2.htm
Anonymous # 11. July 2008, 01:19
Blogger has a Name/URL Option that anyone can use if enabled on a Google Blogger page. That page allows anyone to be anyone else but it does not matter as you can see FreewheelinFrank has apologized for imitating me.
He even endorses my page:
"Last December I mentioned a site which sets out to portray Firefox in a ...favorable light. I now find myself ...quoted in the testimonials column to suggest that I support the site. I would like to point out that I do ...endorse the site." - FreewheelinFrank (MrFlibble)
Pot Heads such as Mr. Frank are typical of this behavior which is why he obsessively follows me around the Internet.
Anonymous # 11. July 2008, 06:56
The "Firefox is shit" statement clearly seems to be posted by the author of Firefox Myths, who goes on to state on the same blog:
"If you got a virus while using IE then it's because you were either clicking "Install" without knowing what you were doing or you were too stupid to turn on Automatic Updates. No one has ever been infected while running a fully patched IE unless they clicked "Install"
I spend all my time on maintaining the Firefox myths page and don't have time to waste on inferior browsers with such a tiny market share like Safari. Smart people who follow security threats will use Opera or IE. Everything else is for fanboys."
http://www.cornswalled.com/2008/01/quickbooks-bug-frees-indiana-town-from.html
These are two obsessions of the Firefox Myths author, as obvious elsewhere:
"No one can prove my fully patched version of IE can be infected with Auto-installing Spyware."
"My page doesn’t lie about anything, the security vulnerability exists. Unlike you I do not wish to cover it up. Unlike fanboys I let them know the truth about Firefox’s security problems. Get over it, it is not going anywhere the public will know the truth."
http://grantlairdjr.com/wp/2006/05/18/firefox-myths/
Is it the bald "Firefox is shit" statement on the loony right Firefox = communism blog that's now embarrassing, or the idea that drive-by downloads are impossible in a fully-patched installation, a claim which has been proved false by numerous vulnerabilities allowing such attacks in IE.
I can see it would be embarrassing for somebody who has posed as a unbiased technical author to have posted an extremely biased and technically wildly inaccurate comment, but if Mr Andrew Khan wants to claim that the comments were forged, perhaps he should post a comment on the blog in his own name, rather than forging a comment himself?
Anonymous # 12. July 2008, 07:43
Looks like you are wrong again:
"Just to make it clear at the request of the Author of FirefoxMyths.com please remove the two fake posts I made immitading Andrew K. as they were meant in jest and were not made by him. Unfortunately these comments are now being used to slander Andrew K. and I apologize for that.
Unfortunately I must concede that in every debate with Andrew K. I have been unable to present evidence to overturn the most damning truths exposed by his Myths page. I just wish he did not have to rub it in so much but at the end of the day he is right." - freewheelinfrank
Oh and my name is not Andrew Khan but you will obviously continue to spread this lie.
Anonymous # 12. July 2008, 08:48
I can't believe anybody but a complete weasel would post forged blog comments in an attempt to suggest that previous comments were fake, rather than simply say: 'I'm Andrew K, author of Firefox Myths, and I didn't post the previous comments under the name Andrew K.'
Of course I don't believe that the original comments are not by you.
I believe you have endorsed a nut-job, loony right-wing blog with a comment: 'Firefox is shit', which shows you have a similar, borderline insane, obsession with destroying Firefox. God knows why.
Opera users have sussed you out too:
"I'm an Opera fan as well and I'll do everything I can to denounce the loads of bullsh... there is on this so-called "mastertech"'s page.
Just take a look at the whole site, check http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD/XPMyths.html, a lot of crap in it.
This guy is a Microsoft fanboy, not an Opera fanboy. I think he's just trying to set Opera users against Firefox users.
Posted by: OperaFan | February 23, 2006 11:27 AM"
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2006/01/scum.html
As to the name, I find it rather hard to believe that somebody would carelessly type a random name into the name field in a blog comment form.
http://blog.matthewmiller.net/2007/09/debunking-firefox-myths-page.html#comment-5404806598880480514
So, Mr Andrew Khan, you have posted a comment on another blog and then tried to weasel out of what you said, you've posted forged comments in the name of one of your critics, you've misquoted that critic on this page to make it seem he supports your site.
Doing this sort of thing anonymously is one thing- nobody can associate the enigmatic 'Andrew K', or any of your nicks (OptimizeGuides seems to be the latest) with a real person, but Andrew Khan, working in IT in New Jersey has a real-world reputation. In the end somebody is going to notice what you get up to on the web, and find out what you have got up to in the past, namely relentless anonymous spamming, posting of sock-puppet comments and trolling.
http://robert.accettura.com/blog/2006/01/28/trolling-is-getting-out-of-hand/
Anonymous # 16. July 2008, 03:16
I am unable to post forged blog comments as you have clearly proven. Looks like you lose again.
Anonymous # 16. July 2008, 07:07
In what way does pointing out how you have forged blog comments prove you are unable to forge blog comments? I can't even follow the logic of that argument.
I notice your comments on Opera at Populartechnology are available again. I think the owner of this blog might find them interesting:
"I love things that work and IE works. Everytime I have to switch to IE to see or use a page properly is a waste of my time. I have to do it EVERY day. How can I possibly recommend this to anyone? When they could simply use IE or preferably Avant Browser and never have to switch to anything? The argument isn't their. I don't sacrifice for things that don't work. My time is my time. Why "put up" with something when you don't have to? For an idealistic dream? Get back to me when Firefox or Opera renders all of the Web correctly. Neither is ready for prime time as far as I'm concerned."
http://s4.invisionfree.com/Popular_Technology/ar/t544.htm
Sussed out in 2006 by an astute Opera user:
"This guy is a Microsoft fanboy, not an Opera fanboy. I think he's just trying to set Opera users against Firefox users."
(See above).
Anonymous # 19. July 2008, 05:45
"OptimizeGuides writes:
I am unable to post forged blog comments..."
Betrayed by the dark side, you have been...
"I want to apologize for imitating Andrew K on this Blog but that comment was created by me and not the author of Firefox Myths. My deepest apologizes."
Forged blog comment on Alexander Cornswalled.
"These Myths originated from various sources on the World Wide Web in news articles, Blogs, forums and on various other pages."
Firefox Myths (An OptimizeGuides page).
So, the forged comment suggesting the "Firefox is shit" comment quoted above was made by somebody who capitalises the word "blog" unnecessarily from time to time, and such an error also appears on Firefox Myths.
Coincidence, or proof once again that Andrew K has been lying?
Anonymous # 19. July 2008, 05:48
Oops! That sentence should have read:
So, the forged comment suggesting the "Firefox is shit" comment quoted above was not posted by the real Andrew K was made by somebody who capitalises the word "blog" unnecessarily from time to time, and such an error also appears on Firefox Myths.
Anonymous # 15. August 2008, 22:17
Following this whole myth/myth debunked thing and the anger at the troll I'd say he has long ago been strung up by the neck by the debunk lynch mob. Man this is too funny.
Anonymous # 16. August 2008, 01:45
It's appearing to be almost unnatural...
[img] http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5945/ihffsy7.th.jpg
Anonymous # 16. August 2008, 01:46
[img] http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5945/ihffsy7.jpg
Charles Schloss # 16. August 2008, 04:27
A. Duda # 16. August 2008, 11:11
Anonymous # 6. October 2008, 14:09
opera is BS for linux users..........firefox is the safest for linux......
Charles Schloss # 22. January 2009, 17:39
http://my.opera.com/Chas4/blog/2008/12/04/firefox-plug-in-trojan-harvests-logins
Charles Schloss # 31. January 2009, 04:25
http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/01/27/04TC-firefox-security_1.html
But when I took Firefox to a malicious Web site known for starting dozens of browser windows, pop-up ads, and programs, Firefox locked up like most of the other browsers I tested (the lone exception was Opera). I had to reboot the system to regain control.
A. Duda # 31. January 2009, 12:14
What the h3ll is the author talking about? We all know that Opera was the first to patch any security issue, long time before the other browser even
admitted about their problems.
And you know that Firefox' addons are a big, uncontrolled security risk.
Charles Schloss # 31. January 2009, 15:51
A. Duda # 31. January 2009, 16:25
Anonymous # 18. April 2009, 22:43
Why does Firefow seem to keel overe on its backj with legs in the ait anytimeits expected to actually do some work and download a file over 3 bytes large.
A. Duda # 19. April 2009, 18:57
Anonymous # 25. April 2009, 12:43
for me firefox is a nightmare, i am a programmer and i am appaled on the performance of this browser. every six months or so i go back to firefox (from IE) to see if anything have changed, every single time it fails me.
i cant actually do anything heavy, let alone open 7 tabs at the same time.
IE8 seems to be the best at the moment
Charles Schloss # 25. April 2009, 14:58
A. Duda # 25. April 2009, 16:02
Charles Schloss # 25. April 2009, 16:15
http://my.opera.com/Chas4/albums/showpic.dml?album=551911&picture=9534638
Anonymous # 3. August 2009, 15:31
Can't even install active x
Anonymous # 3. August 2009, 15:32
So back to IE