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今日西藏 For The Love of Tibet

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西方媒体在普遍误导西方人,没有讲述一个真实的西藏,这次暴乱的报道更是令人发指...

I was heartbroken when saw the Lhasa Riot recently and even more hurt to see the untruthful reporting from the mainstream media, it's outrageous. CNN has been bombarded by emails and comments from overseas Chinese students, many went out to make Chinese voices heard.

As a Chinese, I know Tibet is very different from what the western media told, people have been misinformed. When I saw people shout "Free Tibet!", I gasped. I wonder they have ever visited Tibet or any part of China, ever read a book about Tibetan history, or even talked to a Chinese or Tibetans living in Tibet, not just those so called Tibetans-in-Exile who (many of them) have never lived in Tibet or China. So, I decide to open this post and welcome anyone to talk about Tibet or China in general, you can ask me any questions, challenge me with any ideas, I know it's a hard topic and I don't know everything but...

Let's start with these beautiful Tibetan songs, here all three singers are Tibetans, they sing in both Tibetan and Chinese (Han) languages, beautiful voices and landscapes, all music were made in China. Tibetans are famous in singing and dancing, everyone in China knows/sings Tibetan songs. The first song is a song for the beautiful landscape and heart of Tibet, the 2nd is a love song and the 3rd one is about the newly completed Tibetan Railway which we call a Road to Heaven. And don't forget to check out this 1995 award winning documentary film "Tibet Diary" at the end (Thanks to the anonymous readers who sent me this link). Enjoy!





冲撞 Clash in Modern China西藏历史 Testimony of Tibet History

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Anonymous writes:

I had a trip to Tibet last summer, this video is quite close to the Tibet I saw on my trip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pI4SB4GXho&feature=related

By anonymous user, # 26. March 2008, 23:29:48

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Anonymous writes:

Well, more accurately the Tibet I saw was newer (a bit modern touch) than that in the clip, still it was a good capture I think.

By anonymous user, # 26. March 2008, 23:49:27

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Hi, thanks for your comment, especially for the link. It's hard to find material in English that gives a true picture of Tibet, thanks again! :smile:

By Aprilsnow, # 27. March 2008, 07:44:57

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I think that it's always easy for outsiders to critisize. But only Chinese and Tibetians know's how the thngs really are and still I think have different opinions.

It's like the western media critisize Russian democracy. But actually most of the russians support the governement and are content with it. But ofcourse you can find there small opposition also. There is always somebody who's not content with the current situation.

But anyway thankyou Aprilsnow for such an interesting topic and anonimous guy for the youtube link. I learn a lot of things bout Tibet today. Cuz I had heard about this free Tibet thing but didn't know anything.

By MadCharityBonney, # 27. March 2008, 12:34:48

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Hi Bonney,

Agree with you, the Russian democracy case is a good example. In fact, most Tibetans are not rioters or demonstrators at all but the western media desperately wants to show the world all Tibetans are against Chinese government which is untrue. They even manipulated news images in order to get their news right. This has greatly angered Chinese people, we didn't expect the western free media could be so irresponsible, it made us believe they have an agenda.

Very nice to meet you, by the way. :smile:



By Aprilsnow, # 28. March 2008, 06:40:42

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Western media likes to manipulate news. Especially in the bad way. They make it to get people's attention. They think that intresting news are always with a lot of drama and nobody would care if they made news about how Chinese invasion has positively influenced on Tibet.

Also westerns think from they own point of view. And in their countries maybe this kind of situation would be impossible. That's why they think automatically it's wrong and scream free Tibet. Because they can't see the thing from your angle.

Would be nice to hear the opinion of someone who want's free Tibet :smile:

By MadCharityBonney, # 28. March 2008, 08:07:38

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Good points, Bonney. It would be so nice to have someone who wants "Free Tibet" to come over and present his/her opinions. So far, I haven't had the luck to receive one...

The western reporting on Tibet riot has truly educated many Chinese people that the western media is not truly free as it would like people to believe, we are all shocked. I have noticed that they always want to impose their ideas and values to others but I didn't expect they would FAKE the news.

Tibet became part of China since 1271 and has never become an independent nation again, even Britain and American government have to acknowledge it. In fact, no governments in the world recognize Tibet as a nation. But no westerners/Americans know. What an irony? :smile:

By Aprilsnow, # 29. March 2008, 03:16:09

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http://www.russellmeans.com/ - this news are from BBC - Putin's news first....

By Slava54, # 29. March 2008, 21:18:49

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They will "Fuck" your history, as our's ... Irony is the one - they whant to became, something like Hitler to the whole world...

By Slava54, # 29. March 2008, 22:11:39

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That's interesting, so BBC is comparing native Indians to Tibetans? I do remember three months ago, Lakota Sioux Indians declared independence from USA, why wouldn't USA let it go?

The USA was founded only in 1776 while Tibet officially became part of China in 1271, that's about 500 years earlier.

Even earlier, about 1300 years ago (Tang Dynasty), upon the request of Tibetan King who admired Chinese culture very much, Chinese emperor sent Princess Wencheng to marry the King, she traveled all the way to Tibet and brought Buddhism as well as many cultural treasures with her, stayed all her life in Tibet despite missing her native land so much. China was very strong at the time, never conducted genocide of Tibetans as they did to the native American Indians. Now BBC is to compare native American Indians to Tibetans? That's inconceivable, only BBC could have such "brilliant idea".

Please explain a bit more on your 2nd comment, are they going to create a Chechnya out of China's Tibet? That's so scary. :eyes:

By Aprilsnow, # 30. March 2008, 07:17:35

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Just think about this problem...:confused:

By Slava54, # 30. March 2008, 14:30:49

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It's my idea to compare ( They can't solve their problems, and after this they are trying to study Chinea's what's have to be done..)
why wouldn't USA let it go?...

By Slava54, # 30. March 2008, 14:49:40

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It's your idea? then why you said "this news are from BBC - Putin's news first...."? :confused:

Your first comment meant you are still thinking? :confused:

I am very confused... :eyes:

By Aprilsnow, # 31. March 2008, 08:38:50

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Because-"Putin's news first...." - it was my idea to remake BBC slogan.. The main idea is that they are trying to solve problems, in which they understand nothing...

By Slava54, # 31. March 2008, 19:39:57

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CUBA - LIBRE...

By Slava54, # 31. March 2008, 19:44:06

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Dear Aprilsnow

Today I saw some in the newspaper one story about the riots. On the photo there was one tibetian monk surrounded by police. They told that about 350 were rioting and that the police shooted some of them.

On the main finnish newspaper's website I found this video: http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/artikkeli/Kiina+arvosteli+EUn+Tiibet-kommentteja/1135235189620
Take a look if you're interested. It's mainly in finnish but in the middle is one part where they shows the rioting monks. What do you think?



By MadCharityBonney, # 31. March 2008, 20:17:43

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Hi Slava,

I guess I know what you mean even though I am not 100% sure.

Does BBC understand the issue? I don't know. The problem is that they are not trying to solve any problems, instead, they are creating.

The international community has called for lifting economic sanctions against Cuba for so many years, everyone is against it, yet..., the sanction is barbaric, hurting ordinary people, isn't?

China helps Cuba from time to time, like bringing them high growth rice seeds, TV sets, etc. I wonder how Cuba would look like without the sanction.

By Aprilsnow, # 1. April 2008, 23:42:59

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Dear Bonney, thanks for the information.

I wonder if there is a picture showing Chinese military opened fire on the first piece of news, there are many claims but now evidence so far.

About the video, I can hear they were speaking in Chinese language, but don't know how they interprets it in Finish. When the riots spread to the neighboring area, I am sure anti-riot police force won't be enough so I assume troops were called in to deter but I haven't seen any real shootings in picture.

About Dalai Lama's picture, yes, it's not allowed officially because he is considered a separatist by the government, however, the government is not really monitoring it very closely.

The picture of the monks is true, it was shown in Chinese TV too, they were quite violent which embarrassed Dalai Lama because he has always been portrayed as a "peaceful" leader.

As you can see most Tibetans are quite simple, they are not rioters at all, those rioters were part of a so called "Tibetan Youth" organization which receives foreign fundings as shown in this piece of news. It's a well known open secret.

By Aprilsnow, # 1. April 2008, 23:53:20

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Welcome CanUhearMe, I am glad you step up to present your idea, I hope you can start reason with me rationally about Tibet, this includes Tibetan history.

I have watched the video you presented in the link in English on youtube before, it's a propaganda with fabrications and it seriously distorted the history. I am reviewing it now, let me show you a couple of examples of what I caught so far:

1) At the very beginning, how did they take the picture with a guard and a Tibetan in ropes? This is only a minor question. Now, have you noticed that they used the British version of Tibet history, in fact, British briefly colonized Tibet, is it fair to let the colonists to state the Tibet history? Ask yourself a logic question, why no countries in the world including France recognize Tibet as an independent nation? Do you have any historical evidence to show Tibet ever an independent nation? I have tons of evidences that show Tibet was under China's rule for over 700 years. We will get into history step by step. For now, just present questions for you to begin to think.

2) All the scenes shown on the video about Tibet before 1950 were celebrations or big parties of mostly upper classes, do they really represent the social conditions of Tibet at the time? Ironically, I have a video clip from the same German expedition team which showed the other side of the story. Tibet was in a terrible condition that was worse than the medieval age, 90% - 95% of the populations were actually serfs and slaves. Here is the clip:

http://my.opera.com/Aprilsnow/blog/a-few-things-about-tibet

2) Anyone familiar with Chinese history know that this following picture was NOT taken in 1949 as the film claimed, it was in 1960s during culture revolution, can you see everyone is holding a red book? There was no red book in 1949 yet. So the producer obviously misused historical photos to distort history, this is a propaganda film, not worth the trust.


3) This following picture is more likely taken in 1959 after Dalai Lama's clique with the support of foreign government staged a bloody killing of the local government officials that year, not taken in 1950:

I would like to ask if you are familiar with Tibet-Chinese history between 1950 - 1959?

4) On the English video, at 17:00 mins, it said that "the pretext for the (Chinese)intervention was the presence of foreign army" ... can you find a historical proof that this was what China said in 1950? This is a lie.

5) It said Ban Chan Lama's was following the plotting of his advisers sided with teh central government, then why not saying Dalai Lama was following the plotting of his foreign advisers? When Dalai Lama took all the gold with him away Ban Chan Lama stayed and worked with his people all his life, so who is more credible?

By the way, I have many documentary films to show you later, so keep an open mind.

By Aprilsnow, # 2. April 2008, 01:28:59

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Aprilsnow, thanks for what you have done.

You are very appreciated to express some common Chinese's opinion, I think it's our responsibility to hear, to tell.

What we should do is to state our mind, learn to tolerate other's minds.

For example, we should study hard from the west, even the western media. Listen to them, learn from them, overcome our shortcomings, promote our nation.

What made us felt upset is that the very media we blamed for were taken as infallible news sources at one time, in other vulgar words, some of us were kicked on the ass while we all chorused the praises of them.

But we still have to overcome our faults, a great people's mentality should not focus on blaming other nation but improving ourselves.

There are no one in the world is PERFECT, both us Chinese and the other people.

What we need to do is, strive for our own perfect future, stand with other's faults.

This is my attitude.

Anyway, welcome to my blog, I'm a Chinese two.

By zhouye.ah, # 2. April 2008, 05:17:06

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Aprilsnow... I deleted a few minutes ago my comments because of the trouble it has generated :frown:...
I think that the English version you have heard is NOT the same version (I mean translation) I had on my link in French... So I will have a look asap on yours :smile:

By CanUhearMe, # 2. April 2008, 17:44:46

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Hi Philippe, I appreciate your consideration but you really don't have to delete your comment(s), I knew it's a very tough topic when I started this post. I am sad not because of your comments but because there are so much misunderstanding out there about Tibet. I don't expect you to accept my opinion but only hope you and everyone will keep an open mind.

By Aprilsnow, # 3. April 2008, 07:00:28

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I don't understand French, but I remember the beginning part of the video, however, I am quite sure this English version is fabricating and misleading. I was in my lab yesterday collecting data till very late so I could only post a few examples. Today I finished 2/3 of the video, I got so tired of it, here let me give two more examples in pictures:

6) At 27:53mins, it said books were burned taken away from monastery, is this true? Take a careful look of the upper picture, please repeat the clip if necessary to make sure you see it clearly, those were papers not books! Those papers were actually decrees signed by serfs/slaves when they were sold to the rulers/nobles/slave owners. How do I know? because this footage was showed in a Chinese documentary film too. Have a good look:

7) At 30:18mins it showed pupils were learning in class, said this is the Chinese method. So what does it mean? what's Chinese method exactly? Before the central government took local power from the local "nobles"/rulers, 90% of the population were NOT allowed to learn how to write their own language, this is why we call "liberating Tibet", which is true. Since then, students have been learning both Tibetan language and Chinese language. Is there anything wrong? Why not telling the truth?

I have written down 10 additional notes during my watching, most are verbal disinformation, I just got so tired of it and stopped watching. I may or may not add those notes to this post later, it's just too much...

By Aprilsnow, # 3. April 2008, 07:05:21

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Hi Zhouye, thanks for your appreciation and reminding. In this case I am afraid it's not about high expectation, different opinions or demanding for "perfection", it's about purposely distorting facts. And I am not alone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNSjJTXsv2E&feature=related


By Aprilsnow, # 3. April 2008, 08:37:11

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like always, every time I log on to youtube, all I want to do is eat my monitor.

Let it be, the crazy comments there would drive me mad, but I cannot find any excellent video introducing ourselves to strike back.

They won't stop if you "market" their stupid.
They would say: thank you!

By zhouye.ah, # 3. April 2008, 10:00:33

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@zhouye:

I understood how you feel, just ignore the comments. Here is a new film coming out on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY

By the way, I read your comment on Dalai Lama on your blog, I just can't afford the time right now to analyze everything with you, but my simple questions are: 1) Does Dalai Lama have a genuine heart? 2) What good has he done to Tibetan people? My answers are no and no. That's why I have no respect for him.


@Phillipe:

From this short video clip you can see again those so called "books" are in fact papers as I mentioned earlier:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY

By Aprilsnow, # 11. April 2008, 09:19:20

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ThX Aprilsnow :smile:

http://www.reuters.com/

We just have to understand than we are all living in the same planet... we are all breathing the same air... we are all drinking the same water...

I just found this to say that "unfortunatelly we are not ALL equal"... it is MONEY...
Some people, they are not numerous on earth, have ALL they want because they got the MONEY... when WE WILL UNDERSTAND than THEY GOT THE WORLD IN THEY DIRTY HANDS... we can live in peace together... untill this day... :frown:


**** FU*K WARS & FU*K DIRTY HANDS ****


**** FREE TO LIVE ON EARTH **** FREE TO LOVE **** FREE TO DREAM ****


:up:

:heart:

By CanUhearMe, # 11. April 2008, 12:12:43

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I understand, Philippe. We are just the same, people under the same Sun and the same Moon, only a small number of greedy ones who can't live without wars, they can't profit without harming others. What could be a more lethal weapon than provoke ethnic/religious wars?

Peace and love! :heart:

By Aprilsnow, # 14. April 2008, 05:14:40

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Peace and Love :heart:

By CanUhearMe, # 14. April 2008, 11:48:47

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Hi my friends,

This French senator is brave, a lonely voice in France but he is well respected in China, here is what he says in a video clip. More and more people are standing up now.

By Aprilsnow, # 22. April 2008, 07:25:19

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Hi Aprilsnow :smile:
I can't check it from work ( :furious: ) my boss would not apreciate hihihi... so I will have a look from my home and will tell you :wink:

flirt
P.

By CanUhearMe, # 22. April 2008, 11:19:36

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OK, take your time and don't get upset so easily. Have a beautiful day! He is telling the truth! :up: :yes:

By Aprilsnow, # 25. April 2008, 07:59:49

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ThX dear :up:

I just had a look on this Video of Jean Luc Mélenchon (French Senator) you were talking about... yeahh... yeaa he is brave to tell its own feelings... and in several points... he is aggree with you... (and I p:)...
Please, find here is blog :
http://www.jean-luc-melenchon.fr/?p=585 (in French sorry :frown: )

P.

By CanUhearMe, # 25. April 2008, 15:55:05

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I am happy that you have been "converted". p: Thank you for the Mélenchon link, I have read the whole article and many comments from another friend's blog a while ago(corrected an inaccurate statement). Thank you again! :up:

By Aprilsnow, # 30. April 2008, 06:37:34

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