Her First Haircut In 3,700 Years
Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:15:12 PM
The following is a sort of follow-up on that, so I suggest you skim the prior post (and comment thread for additional info) before you go ahead.
When I, recently, read the latest news about my 3,700 year old ex-girlfriend, I thought now is the chance for me to educate my loyal readers. Thing is, she's about to get a new hairdo.
Model wearing a replica of the dress the Egtved Girl wore when she was burried.
What we know is that she was around 16 years old,
healthy and strong and with stomach contents suggesting
a rich and nutrious diet.
Barbarian? I think not.
There are not many organic remnants left of the Egtved girl, but there is sufficiently enough hair on the famous Bronze Age find for molecular biologist Morten Allentoft of The University of Copenhagen to cut a lock off for his research.
He is trying to identify her DNA in order to retrieve further knowledge on how the Northern European population looked 3,700 years ago.
If the scientists manage to isolate enough DNA of sufficient quality, the hair samples will tell them something about where the Egtved Girl came from and what she physically looked like.
The project has been named The Rise.
If the hair sample turns out to be particularly useful, the reflections are on whether her entire genome can be mapped.
This way science might get closer to answering some of the major questions, that archeologists, anthropologists and historians have been asking for centuries.
One is the question of whether our ancestors mingled with other past human species. Mapping the DNA of bronze age remains might clarify whether there is more Neanderthal in them than there is in us contemporary people.
This might lead science closer to solving the mystery of what ever became of the Neanderthals.
The Neanderthals were members of the genus Homo, and are classified alternatively as a subspecies of Homo sapiens or as a separate human species (Homo neanderthalensis). The Neanderthals disappeared from the fossil records around 25,000 years ago. It is a mystery how and why, because it seems that the Neanderthals actually were better equipped for survival than Homo sapiens.
According to the myth, the Neanderthals were stupid and violent.
Recent research suggest they weren't.
Actually they might have been better equipped to survive
and even better organized than Homo sapiens.
And still, we conquered them.
Makes you wonder.
One of the scenarios suggested is that the co-existence between the two species amounted to a violent conflict of massive proportions that ended up in one species killing the other, us being the victorious race. Not because we were physically better equipped but because we were the most agressive and ruthless.
Although our ancestors might have been a tad rough on eachother, genetic evidence suggests that some interbreeding did take place, resulting in 1–4 percent of the genome of modern people from Eurasia having been contributed by Neanderthals.
Yeah. This means that we all are part Neanderthal.
Besides The Egtved Girl, Morten Allentoft have examined DNA from hundreds of Bronze Age teeth gathered from museums in Denmark, Sweden, Poland and Germany.
All these samples should help to identify our ancestors' desire to move around in the northern European landscape. Currently, work is based on the paradigm that Bronze Age people did not move around a lot and only exchanged ideas at the local level.
The RISE project might show that Europe is far more complex in the genetic makeup than we previously believed, and this might affect our self-understanding.
In other words: it might show that we are not that different after all, that the old saying about us being of the same flesh might prove right.
It might also mean that my ex-girlfriend, apart from having been dead for almost 4,000 years, turns out to be a bleeding Neanderthal. How disturbing...
More about the Neanderthal Genome Project here














Spaggyj # Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:47:05 PM
Stardancer # Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:01:27 PM
Originally posted by Spaggyj:
Ditto. Please keep up posted on this.
KittyliciousZaphira # Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:09:16 AM
Martin K™Aqualion # Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:48:19 AM
Originally posted by Stardancer:
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I actually knew a guy who had Neanderthal(ish) features. He even had a caveman sway in his walk. These new science results show, that it could actually be because his genome has a relatively higher percentage of Neanderthal DNA than the average. As mentioned the average is 1 - 4 percent, which does not sound as much, but when it comes to DNA very small margins can be significant.
I am looking forward to seeing the results of this. It might sound nerdish, but these things actually mean something to our understanding of ourselves on a higher level, of culture and society.
Pineas2 # Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:39:30 AM
That talk about a 3.700 years old girl friends matches the book I am just reading: She by Henry Rider Haggard.
Martin K™Aqualion # Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:42:33 PM
That is a piece of fine classic literature you are reading. I know it very well. It's been a time since I have read it, though.
The Neandethal Genome project is in many ways a modern adventure story.
In late 19th Century literature the mystery typically had its basis in cryptic messages of ancient artifacts, maps, books or - as in 'She' - inscriptions on a piece of pottery.
Now, in the scientific reality of the early 21st Century, we examine the very bones of our ancestors to extract the secrets of antiquity, seeking the truth in a simple lock of hair.
Now, if that ain't romantic...
Pineas2 # Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:48:28 PM
Darkogdare # Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:18:24 PM
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=ozzy-osbourne-genome
der WandersmannderWandersmann # Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:44:46 PM
Originally posted by gdare:
I wouldn't doubt it for a moment.
Martin: I have long contended that Homo Neanderthalis mixed with what we are pleased to call more "modern" humans ... there are many places where the Neanderthal characteristics are visible in the local populations of southern Europe ... I was unaware, however, that the situation was similar in the North.
Modern anthropologists theorise that the Neanderthal was bright enough, but basically uncreative ... if he had a technology for doing a particular thing, he was unable or uninterested in a new technology that worked better, and that's why he was essentially swamped by the new foreigners. I daresay that disagreements sometimes broke out into open warfare, but it probably wasn't the main cause of their disappearance. Some interbreeding/absorbtion, some killing, and some just plain dying would seem to account for it.
If memory serves, as far back as the '30s and '40s, Hooton wrote that "The Old Man of Peking" had a Neanderthal woman in his household. You'd better check that, though ... it's been 50 years since I read that.
Gavin Tripp-Sheedygarlingmatthews # Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:51:58 PM
There's a guy in work who is very neanderthalic. He's smart, efficient and extremely quiet.
Edward Piercyedwardpiercy # Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:09:59 PM
I think that would be my view. If chalcolithic peoples in such places as the Balkans traveled all the way down to almost Greece, it is likely that other groups also did. The primary vectors in all of this seem to be rivers. It was easier to travel to distant places by water.
The neanderthal in the photo looks most thoughtful. And actually very handsome.
Excellent post!
Martin K™Aqualion # Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:50:56 PM
Originally posted by derWandersmann:
So were everybody else! Until they started mapping genomes. There have been no Neandethal findings in Scandinavia. The only explanation to how Neanderthal DNA ended up in the Nordic mix as early as in the Bronze Age is that people from the South (where Neanderthal DNA was widely spread) either came here or we went there and back again.
Either way, it suggests that Bronze Age people were far more mobile than we suspected. The great migrations cross Europe, where the contemporary location of the European peoples were founded, took place a couple of thousand years later. This new research might suggest that we have been traveling the continent long before.
Gavin Tripp-Sheedygarlingmatthews # Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:54:44 AM
Martin K™Aqualion # Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:17:04 AM
Well, for the time being all this is still more or less on the theoretic level, because science has yet to gather sufficient evidence to manifest the ideas as proven facts, and even when proven, historical facts will still remain ambiguous. There is no way we can know with 100 percent certainty what took place thousands of years ago, so it is best to keep the door to the past ajar.
der WandersmannderWandersmann # Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:31:45 AM
Originally posted by Pineas2:
For those who might be interested:
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0600031h.html
http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/
I believe the first site has the complete works; I'm not so sure about the second.
In my opinion, the first site is the easier to read, both because of its use of a serif typeface and a shorter line length, but you are free to take your pick. De gustibus, and all that, you know.
Martin K™Aqualion # Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:41:48 AM
der WandersmannderWandersmann # Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:21:57 PM
Martin K™Aqualion # Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:36:22 PM
At the moment I am rereading Edgar Rice Burroughs' 'A Princess of Mars'. It's the fouth or fifth time I read it, and my excuse this time is the Disney screen adaption that is in cinemas at the moment. Before that it was the 'apocrypha' of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, his non-Sherlock stories of terror and mystery. Some nice backbone-chilling things to find there, if you are into such matters.
Gavin Tripp-Sheedygarlingmatthews # Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:43:37 PM
Martin K™Aqualion # Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:46:53 PM
Had to look her up. Promising. I shall definitely check her out, since I am, myself, a fan of both the science and crime fiction of that age. Thanks for recommending!
Pineas2 # Monday, April 16, 2012 6:50:24 AM
Mad Scientist (عادل)qlue # Monday, April 30, 2012 7:46:09 PM