Arnekrilu's blog

So Arne, this post is your contribution for the Peace chain! May I add it in the list on my post?

That's nice plan I'm also honoured.

I have never read the Koran, but I will do because it is always a good thing to know other cultures and religion. When I was about 30 years old, my interest was for the Japanese culture, so I have read some books about Confucius (a Chinese one), Buddhism and Shintoism... Did you do so?

we have a couple of ladies in the chain, arne. but you're right, it seems men are much more likely to Analyze an issue like war and peace.
(maybe that will loosen their tongues. didn't lysistrata prove that women have the power to insist on peace?)

btw doesn't islam translate as peace?
didn't gandhi demonstrate 'ahimsa' effectively?
didn't christ's sacrifice prove the acceptance of "god's will"?
and if you're a true buddhist, you're really not interested in making waves at all.
even bertrand russell, an atheist, reasoned analytically, for world order and peace.

it is clear that education of the right kind, that is, real thinking about what is read, will help. enlightened people are more reasonable. live and let live.

Education is a word which let me think to my work for a website here:
http://www.omaep.com/english/index-en.html
Have a look on the video, there're two parts and women can be interested by

I'm just working on the design of that website. The videos aren't mine

Yes your right Arne, but for everything it is the same: in bad hands, things can turn wrong and be dangerous. So how to do?

And do you know the "sensory deprivation tank"?
Have a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly

Ho realy! I didn't know that. I have only read one book from Lilly and his concept was interesting. No sensory = no thoughts! But his conclusion was completly in an opposit way. He has almost discovered, how to say... his "soul", his spirituality...

Heureusement
Bravo pour le français
But I would say that there's the mind's intelligence and the heart's intelligence. The first one can also be used to rob other people and the second one has to be developped to get the Peace in our world

L'intelligence est nécessaire pour arriver à la tolérance.
Mais tolérer la différence d'autrui ne coûte rien puisqu'on s'en fiche... c'est l'indifférence.
La vraie tolérance c'est l'écoute, le dialogue, la curiosité des différences, ...et c'est là le rôle de l'intelligence!

still not quite right... a balance of three 'brains' body head and heart functioning simultaneously... that is the way to wisdom. and wisdom is the way to peace.

You are right!

What's the body's brain? The subconsciousness?

in the sense that we are more unconscious of it's functioning yes. but not the same as the freudian subconscious. i've always considered that to be somehow behavioral. think of it as another tool which attention helps to function harmoniously instead of getting sick or being clumsy. eh?

so much of our birthright as humans hides in the chemistry of the physical body. if one is interested in self study as i am, there is a goldmine here.

sir and ever noble friend arne,
i also didn't check to make sure before i said that. but i had read over the years very much about islam and just seemed to remember that. so now i checked.

1) "Islam" means "peace through the submission to God".

source:
http://meccacentric.com/30_facts.html
but i'm sure our muslim readers will enlighten us very soon.


the fact remains however, that religions may be based on submission to the will of god which will bring peace to us all, that self-will, especially when we endure it from the powerful, will throw us all back into the fire.

peace

Islam, Salaam and Aslaam all have the same root.
Salaam is usually translated as 'peace'. However, it refers to the kind of peace that comes from accepting what is beyond ones controll rather than 'world peace' (i.e. The absence of war).
In a similar way, Aslaam refers to contentment.
Now the more difficult one to explain is Islam.
Coming from the same root as the other two, it does indeed mean peace. Or rather attaining peace by accepting, and submitting to, the will of the Creator. Again, this is not the absence of war per sé, but rather, this peace is the peace that comes from knowing that whatsoever may befall you, that it is by God's will. And, being God's will, it is good for you, no matter how bad it may seem by human standards. That this state of consciousness would ultimately lead to a world without war is my belief.
In a nutshell, Islam is surrendering to the better judgement of one's Creator. As all that is part and parcel of this universe was created by the same and only Creator, that in itself is evidence that we all have the same Creator.
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Before I in completely of track let of stop there for now. .
One last thought, if every person spent more time to consider what their fate shall be in the hereafter, instead of concentrating on the here and now, would that not in and of itself increase the peace and love and reduce the crimes and strife? .

thanks qlue for the help with the etymology. i agree with you on all points. that's why we need to feel a responsibility to a higher reality than the chasing after worldly things.

Your observations are true regardless of the religious connotations, Arne. We are arriving at the state of grace that you envision, as a species. Nothing good ever comes easily. Thanks for sharing!

Arne if you want, you can now add the heart Peace dove in the right bottom of your blog. Have a look on my updated Peace chain post for the explaination, please

You can also insert it in your post if it is easier Like this:

[imgcenter=http://files.myopera.com/holdowicz-claude/design/heart-dove.png]

thank you Arne

Bravo Arne

Hello Arne I hope you're well. The Peace chain is now lauched on WordPress (in French):
http://claudeholdowicz.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/une-chaine-pour-la-paix-dans-le-monde/

Arne, I read your posting with greatest interest. I know that many are interested in an intelligent philosophical debate about the issues you throw up. Although our (own, individual) blog posts sometimes touch the subject you treat more systematically it appears to me, that the 'main' three world religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam dominate our views. I would remind you however of Hinduism as well, that has something to say and is widely spread over this world. The relation between Buddhism and Christianity also is controversial (1)(2). It depends on the 'initial condition' ('Anfangsbedingung' in Chaos Theory) of views what will result as a following perspective. We are in fact talking about 'social systems', whether these are based on a "medieval European social philosophy" (Luhmann), or on views about "a holistic social organism". What ever the views it is more difficult to determine the differences (!) than the conformity of ethical/religious groups. Mainstream Christianity comprises 55 subgroups or sects, each divided in several 'churches' each with their own stamp. Hinduism knows at least 12 sects. And is our understanding of Buddhism (see links 1 and 2 that mixes both!) the same as Indian or Japanese Buddhism? Lamaism we forget. What then do we do with the Persian religions like Zoroastraism, Manicheïsm, Mazdaznan and Mithra-cult that have nothing but disappeared. Janaïsm that overflows into India with 2 mio believers. Vedism and Brahmaism are still alive. Taoism and Confucianism are amongst us. And then there are Jahwism and Judaism, the latter in at least 2 'Gestalts' (Asjkenazim and Sephardim, differing on the role of G.d and rituals). Islam goes way beyond Sunni's and Shi'as. The latter being divided in several sects, apart from Sufi and more philosophical 'schools' like Baha'i. I have often said and written that we should determine their commonalities, leave out the rituals and discuss the contradictions, also in a philosophical way, to find "One Common Word". A (=one) 'common Word' can't come from any single, individual group on logical foundations. To my opinion the pretence that but 'one' offers the only right(eous) perspective is a priori false and philosophically flawed. This flawed pretence plays into cards from 'atheists', whatever that may mean when not determined their level of genuine resistence (lack of religiosity may be caused by an abnormality in the brain). Hence: this is a field full of landmines when treated superficially. It's not Christianity vs. Islam or Judaism, but about finally discovering the Common Word. If that word gets a meaning by 'God', 'Allah', 'Jesus', 'Brahma', 'the Buddha' etc. is of secondary importance - I think. It is the cover for a sense of morality (and ethics) written down in Holy Books about men and their relations with our Cosmos.

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I have subscribed to your page and look forward to reading more on this topic... you say you have known Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and of course Christians...I don't know if I am the first, but I guess you know a Wiccan now as well, Merry Meet and Many Blessings.

Anna has just join us
http://my.opera.com/norskblu/blog/2009/07/01/chain-of-peace

@solar R. Yes, I know about 'wiccan', but I try to evade quasi-New Age behaviors, although 'wise women' stem from different, earlier times. If we should incorporate the esotheric we'll find ourselves in a quackmire real soon. There is a lot to tell about that world though. In Holland I contributed 12 years long every Sunday to a radio-broadcast of 2 hours on the paranormal and esotheric subjects. Wrote about that gazillion times as well. Arnekru discusses religions though. That's where I am focussing on here.

Wow Arne! That are a lot of questions. I think that GOD is not your or my God, but OUR God. The supreme transcendental cosmic Force exceeding our space and time. Whatever His "Gestalt" or the imagery we attribute to that Force it would be a different thing when we lost focus on Him! God endowed upon us self-responsibility, the right to educate ourselves, to unfold our personalities in relative freedom, and be respected at any place we possess in this life with the qualities we have got, to find satisfaction in our lives. Prophets, like Abraham, Jesus or Muhammed, received the inspiration to reveal universal (cosmic) wisdom to us. For example to moderate ourselves, respecting ALL that is in our unique Universe, our home. Not to plunder, not to... etc. etc. That is universal wisdom, inspired knowledge, Truth... Does it then matter that you find and pay gratitude for the salvation you get thru Jesus? Does it really matter that I find guidance in my life reading the Qur'an, never loosing focus on Allah (swt) and what He endowed upon me? Would Allah (swt) be pleased with me when I write this? Then tell me what the 'difference' really seems? Isn't God our God for all of humanity?
When our grandson was born, 3 months early, mywife and I were totally unprepared confronted with the question of life and death. A baby of 25 weeks is the technical-medical frontier between 'an abortion' and a 'human-to-be'. I am against abortion, although recognizing very severe circumstances for it (war, rape etc.). So in lit. a split-second we decided that the baby be rescued! We payed a high price for that decision (in real terms), but after almost 2 years and thank God (!) we have a healthy, keen, cute and clever baby without difficulties - a real miracle (see the pictures in my Album reporting about this).
The Caste-system in India belongs to sacred traditions. We look at it our way. It's a matter that that society has to solve in a peaceful way. We can only observe and perhaps assist to educate people into new opportunities and different perspectives. Change at gunpoint, the American way, won't work and is contra-productive everywhere.
Finally: look into the mirror if you loose faith in yourself. We all got our 'mission' for this life, in silence given to us by our God and communicated to us by the Prophets. Listening to your inner-voice when looking in the mirror often helps to see 'the Light' and receive new inspiration for a smile and regaining courage to ask a neighbour: how are you today?

In terms of How can I love my neighbour as myself in this day and age, I am reminded of a quote from a show my children watch. "The extra chairs at my table are for the friends I have not met yet..." As for my own Personal Beliefs
Race, Creed, Color, Religion, Sex, (Male, Female, Transgender), or sexual orientation, (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Straight), Nothing matters to me, you are my brother or my sister, The conventional barriers set up by humanity do not matter to me. To me the only thing that matters is "Are you Human?" If you are you are my friend.

ON another note... screen name has changed to match all my other applications and websites Ravyn Lunar-Wolf is the new screen name.... Ravyn is fine.

...the chairs... for friends I haven't met yet!
Wrote that one down - a very good one!

my kids will be glad to hear that.