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Carlo, mainstream (and most other) "rap" is terrible - just absolute bs. However if you can get into many unheard "hip-hop" and yes there is a difference, you can actually see honest to goodness poetry. I really mean it, and poetry is a very difficult art form to be sure.

This here what I posted is really just a joke, a joke for people who laugh at fart noises that happen when there isn't a lot of ketchup left in the bottle haha.

But really, when you write down lyrics used in many hiphop tracks, and analyze them as a poet does, you will find rhyme schemes and secondary meanings. Really talented artists will not only follow a strict rhyme-scheme that is noted at the very end of each line, but will include full rhyme patterns that repeat within the next line, and only the best can do this without sounding like idiots. Say what you will about Eminems subject matter, but if you were to analyze some of his more important tracks you will find lyrics that are written how people speak genuinely in day to day conversation all the while maintaining strict rhyme patterns and rhyme-schemes. They also include lyrics that make perfect sense in one context, but when understood deeper will mean something else perfectly, and sometimes even triple meanings, which really can be done only by artists. One recent song that gets aired alot sounds like its about a bad split-up with a woman, where many people say is terrible because he ends up tying her to a bed and setting the house on fire. Which all actually is conveyed very straight-forward and clean... but it's not actually about a relationship at all, there isn't even a woman involved, nor a physical house or fire. And once you learn what really is being said it's like a whole second song. Problem is with this genre, many fans don't pay close enough attention, and many non-fans will not want to even hear it. I think he earned fame one a face-value level, but I believe he deserves it because of a deeper value.

So yeah, rap pretty much is crap, as well as a lot of hip-hop, but when you open your mind, and give an honest review of some of the writers works, you will come to find that some of these people are just brilliant with words. Much more so than pop musicians.

Carlo: Well, I meant pop musicians in general, which is actually mistake on my part to have said it like that. Remember though that my favorite musician of all time is Prince - who I think falls under pop category. I know hes been all over the map with funk, rock, rnb, jazz, and all sorts of other junk, but I think he gets ballooned into pop.

Anyway, no I dont forget about the sound, but the point in that reply was about the poetry found in the words, I havent forgotten about the sounds, my second favorite artist is Aphex Twin (look that guy up) def not a vocalist by any means. Don't think I was cutting the back-tracking and instrumentals out of the equation, I just wanted to get around to the topic OF lyrics here.

I have to disagree on civilized and predictable as an umbrella statement or "rule of thumb" for words. Words can totally take you by surprise and be downright uncivilized. They are all just words, until they are arranged - hopefully arranged creatively and well.

oh yeah, very few people can do as well as he does when dipping into the different styles. He's a damn master.