Got them old crenchit crud blues again.
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:13:01 AM
The current credit crunch crisis is certainly keeping a lot of forums busy. It's enlightening to read some of the strange views people have on the subject, and I dare say they think the same about me. Fortunately I wasn't a member of most of the forums I visited so I couldn't get involved or I might have been going without food or sleep for the last couple of days.
It's astounding the number of Brits who think it's all Gordon Brown's fault, which is plainly asinine. It's a matter of opinion whether Brown has handled the situation badly or not but blaming him for causing it... Maybe someone could exemplify for me, what exactly did he do to cause the situation? It's worth noting in fact that all the previous governments of all persuasions that I can remember were prone to the odd slump, although things didn't get really bad until Thatcher (Who didn't know that one was coming?) at which point it felt like the world only had to scratch its nose and we caught influenza. Brown as chancellor managed to guide us across at least 3 world depressions without anyone here even noticing, and ironically I suspect that why he's copping it in the neck now. Not only have we forgotten exactly how bad things were under the last administration, but there is also a whole new generation who never experienced life under The Other Lot.
The other targets of the people's ire are 'the people that play the stock market'. On one site there was a stock market gambler trying to justify herself. She pointed out that what she was doing was no worse than betting on the horses, and that she didn't really see how people could blame her for simply doing her job well, in any case she only made 34 to 35 thousand quid out of the collapse of HBOS, so she could hardly be to blame for its downfall, could she?
I never know how to handle that particular mindset. When you bet on the horses you're making a positive decision to do so and the agent who takes your bet is equally compliant, when you gamble on the stock market you're betting with people who don't want to be gambled with. When a horse wins or loses nothing in the rest of the world changes one iota, on the stock market people's lives from all over the place get affected. As for blaming her for doing her job well, her job contributes nothing to the economy or the world at large, she takes money from others and provides no service of any kind in return, she is in fact a leech, pure and simple and I regard it as my bounden duty to complain bitterly the better she does her 'job'.
Then there's that £34,000 in two days. Most people don't make that in a year. It works out at £170,000 a week, allowing for holidays that's about £8,000,000 a year. I think a few thousand people making that kind of money by simply taking it out of the economy are quite capable of bringing down the odd bank.
Not that I think they're completely to blame. In all I've read so far no one has so much as pondered the fact that banks themselves have the kind of clout to affect the market. Not so long ago a merger between Lloyds and Abbey National was blocked as not being in the public interest, now look, Lloyd's have just 'saved' HBOS, a far bigger concern than Abbey, and been thanked for it. Not that I would actually suggest for a second that Lloyds themselves might have had anything whatsoever to do with the fall of HBOS, such fenagling is, of course, completely outside the remit of these splendid institutions.
Mind you, I can't help but notice Barclays picking over the bones of AIG...















Loiscakkleberrylane # Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:08:31 AM
Deke # Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:12:29 PM
Of course I'll bet when they were originally privatised not one penny of that found its way back into the pockets of the taxpayers who'd been paying for it up until then. The same thing happened here when the utilities were sold off, if we wanted any part of it we had to buy shares!! No one could satisfactorily explain why I should have to buy shares in an organization which I was already a part owner of and which someone else was selling off.
Loiscakkleberrylane # Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:11:30 PM
Christiemisschristie # Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:17:18 PM
I think there's a lot of contributing factors to the current crisis but dare I say it, the general public are there own worst enemies...
I work within financial services, and although I know the basics I don't know a fantastic deal about it, but when the whole Northern Rock crisis errupted the panic merchants that are the public seemed to escalate the problem, when it could have been avoidable... I think there's a lot of truth in the phrase "what we don't know can't hurt us"...
Ah well... the credit crunch is going to prove difficult for a lot of people for months, maybe even years... but in the state it's currently in I guess things can only get better. Maybe I'll eventually get my first mortgage when I'm 50.
Ahhhh I have no idea where I was going with this... I'm sleepy. Toodles.
Christiemisschristie # Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:17:49 PM
Deke # Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:52:11 PM
I agree with you about Joe Public, it's not often that I scream at the news but when I saw those people queueing up to get their money out of Northern Rock I did just that. It's a self fulfilling prophesy, 'The bank is going broke so I'm getting my money out now'. No love, the bank is going broke because you're getting your money out.
I think the biggest problem with this slump is that there are so many contributory factors that everyone can claim 'It's not me, guv, it's the other lot'.
Nick Leeson must be laughing like a drain right now.