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Could the horrible events of 9/11 have been prevented?

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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

- Ben Franklin

With today being the 5th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, I decided to do a little post about it. As you all know, on that sunny Tuesday morning, almost 3,000 people lost their lives in the worst terrorist attack on American soil. One of my cousins worked across the street from the Twin Towers in the World Financial Center. She saw it all happen. She witnessed the people jumping from the windows. When she saw the 2nd plane hit, she walked all the way back to Queens. She was in her early 20's on 9/11. My cousin later suffered a nervous breakdown because of the things she saw that day. That makes me :furious: especially since the terrorist attack could have, and should have, been prevented.

The Bush Administration has used the events of that day as an excuse to spread govenment propaganda, pass laws restricting civil liberties, use torture on suspected terrorists, assume more power for the Executive Branch, start wars (including the phony "war on terror"), among other things. Five years later, America's image around the world has suffered greatly, as you can read here. A recent U.S. Senate report rejected one of the arugments used by the Bush Administration to justify a war with Iraq. The Senate panel found: 1) no connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Queda; and 2) the Bush Administration relied on false intelligence! You can read the reports for yourself here. This reminds me of the Downing Street Memos.

There are websites, such as this one, that claim that the events of that day were a U.S. government inside job :eyes: I even checked out their "11 Remarkable Facts About 9/11." You can click on the 2 images to see fullscreen .jpg images of them. Next, here is a Deception Dollar, as you can see at the beginning of this post. A friend of mine had an extra one and gave it to me.

I personally believe that the horrible events of that day could have been prevented, and that the U.S. government had advance knowledge of it. Some of you may disagree with me, while some of you may agree with me. In any case, I do believe that the following articles from The New Amercian Magazine are the best ones on 9/11 that I have read. All the links that I have provided in this post are for you to look at and make up your own mind about what, if anything, could have been done to prevent the deaths of almost 3,000 people on that day. I also believe that we should not have to give up our civil liberties for supposed security. I do believe that all human governments eventually turn tyrannical unless the people stop that from happening. America is turning into a police state right before our very eyes, along with some other nations of the world. Without further ado, here are some articles from The New Amercian:

Anerica Under Siege

Could We Have Prevented the Attacks

The Enemy Within

The Unfolding War on Terrorism

Did We Know What Was Coming?

What Can Be Done?

Burying the Truth

Foreknowledge and Failure

Solutions to the Terrorist Threat

Agents Challenge 9/11 Commission

Unfriendly Skies

More Government Is Not the Answer

Forging Bogus Ties

Getting the Facts Straight

UPDATE: Check out this comment for even more information that I found online.


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Comments

b_laudanum 11. September 2006, 20:43

very nice pics!

well, I see that nobody will forget this day, and this will be a mark in the world History!

I hope americans in next time to vote, can do better... bush is a great deception to all the humanity!!!

my hugs and care to all americans!

with love,
Bea.

FXM256 11. September 2006, 21:09

Hi Bea,
Thank you for your nice comment :smile: I'm happy that a friend of mine did give me that Deception Dollar. That is a funny picture of Bush on it. I think there has been a lot of deception, on the part of the government, concerning 9/11. I think Bush & Company know more than they have let on. The government has used massive propaganda to fool people. I sincerely hope that one day the truth about 9/11 will come out to the masses.

Hugs to you,
Marcus

wickedlizard 11. September 2006, 22:17

I absolutely despise Bush.

My prayers go to all those who lost their lives in the 9 11 incidents, to their families and to all the innocent bystanders.

FXM256 11. September 2006, 22:26

Hi Isabel,
My prayers go out to the people also. Thank you for your comment.

Regards,
Marcus

wickedlizard 11. September 2006, 22:28

you´re welcome (about the comment). :D

About the incidents: I have very strong doubts about them being terrorist attacks... I have posted my opinions and other´s opinions on the subject.

half_tech 11. September 2006, 22:34

There are many definitions of Liberty:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+Liberty

Some generic definitions include:
"autonomy: immunity from arbitrary exercise of authority: political independence
freedom of choice; "liberty of opinion"; "liberty of worship"; "liberty--perfect liberty--to think or feel or do just as one pleases"; "at liberty to choose whatever occupation one wishes"
personal freedom from servitude or confinement or oppression"

I don't see how we are giving any of these Liberties up so long as we as individuals perservere otherwise.

Now I ask you, what are the essential ones that we do not have?

zenya 11. September 2006, 22:53

HI Marcus,

Did you see that movie told you about yet? "THE LONG KISS GOODNIGHT"

it was made in 1988 or so and they said it in this movie:" WE WILL CRASH PLANES INTO THE TALLEST BUILDINGS AND BLAME THE MUSLIMS FOR IT"

MY GOD that was way before 9-11 and just what the movie stated happened.

I am sure the government had their hands inside it and a month later they invaded Afganistan and then Iraq and why? OIL .. whose OIL? CHENEY OIL.. he owns HILIBURTON which is in IRAQ..

Bush owns oil they all have their dirty hands inside something and now look what is happening with Blair .. he is resigning all due to Bush involving him and other countries with his lies..

All governments lie just some more than others.

The farce is not over yet.. there will be more attacks and they will blame Bin Laden for that too.

Bin Laden was trained by our FBI here in USA and see what they got?

You never know what your own govenment is doing while you sleep.

Great post Marcus I am happy you share the same beliefs

Fatimah

half_tech 12. September 2006, 00:02

hmmm.

FXM256 12. September 2006, 03:48

Hi Isabel, there are some people that believe that it was all an inside job by the government. Who knows if they are right or wrong?

Hi John, the government is trying to take our civil liberties away. Check out this page: http://www.bordc.org/threats/

Hi Fatimah, I haven't seen that movie yet, but may rent it soon. Speaking of the scenario you give, did you know: that back in the 1960's, there was a Pentagon conspiracy to start a war with Cuba. It called for covertly performing terrorist acts, then blaming Cuba for them, as a justification for war! It was called "Operation Northwoods." It was presented to the Kennedy administration, but they rejected it, so thankfully it was never carried out. You can read all about it (and read the Northwood documents themselves) at this page: http://www.earthisland.org/project/newsPage2.cfm?newsID=229&pageID=177&subSiteID=44

Thank you all for your comments,
Marcus

zenya 12. September 2006, 11:11

HI Marcus

I remember that Northwoods and the events surroundingn it .

Thank you for your post :smile:

Fati

Wakajawaka 12. September 2006, 13:07

Very well put Marcus.

I agree with every word of your post.

Well said!! :smile:

wickedlizard 12. September 2006, 13:13

Waka - I couldn´t and still can´t see your comment on mine... :confused:

Wakajawaka 12. September 2006, 13:31

???.....Thats strange Wicked.

I pretty much said what I have just said to Marcus :smile:

wickedlizard 12. September 2006, 14:17

ok... still can´t see it though. very weird. there was also two others I couldn´t see from others. Oh well. They are "supposedly" there.

FXM256 12. September 2006, 15:07

Hi Fatimah, I'm happy that "Operation Northwoods" was never carried out. How evil can you be, planning to kill many, just so you can kill more in a war that would follow? Too bad nobody was thrown in prison for coming up with that plan :frown:

Hi Waka, Thank you :smile:

Regards,
Marcus

half_tech 12. September 2006, 15:45

ok you guys, I don't really don't think our civil liberties are being taken away - when it comes to how I am defining civil liberties.
http://www.bordc.org/threats/

Thanks for the link Marcus - however, I think it's a mind warp game for the uneducated.

Definitions of civil liberties on the Web:
Freedoms that protect the individual from arbitrary government interference (as with the freedom of speech and movement).
www.csa.com/hottopics/terror/gloss.php

Civil liberties are protections from the power of governments. Examples include the right to life, freedom from torture, freedom from slavery and forced labour, the right to privacy, the right to a fair trial, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, and the right to marry and have a family. These are usually guaranteed and protected by a constitution or by adherence to an international treaty.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_liberties




If the majority agree that it is OK for the following items, then they are not breaching civil liberties in my opinon.
-Domestic Surveillance: National Security Agency Warrantless Wiretapping
-Domestic surveillance and spying on protesters and groups
-Freedom of Speech, Religion, and Assembly
-Privacy/Freedom from Unreasonable Searches and Seizures
-Due Process
-Immigrants, Refugees, and Foreign Students
-Open Government/Freedom of Information
-Checks and Balances
-Torture
-Real Democracy: Corporations and the Bill of Rights

FXM256 12. September 2006, 16:34

Hi John,
It doesn't matter if a majority of people agree with what the government is doing or not, it's still attacking our civil liberties and is wrong. If I were to keep taking $5 out of your wallet daily, it would still be wrong. No matter how many people get fooled by government propaganda, the government is still wrong for trying to take away our civil liberties. People have to take their servant government to task and demand a stop to this slide towards a police state. Thanks for your comment John.

Regards,
Marcus

Wakajawaka 12. September 2006, 16:36

Amen!!

FXM256 12. September 2006, 17:03

Thanks Waka :smile:

wickedlizard 12. September 2006, 18:21

Amen!

angel292005 12. September 2006, 21:46

it all comes down to

poor and broke vs privileged

PERIOD


My question is, what do we do NOW???? Now to make life better???

half_tech 12. September 2006, 22:08

Marcus,

Thank you for your comment back to me :smile:

It doesn't matter if a majority of people agree with what the government is doing or not, it's still attacking our civil liberties and is wrong.



I think you need to rethink this because the majority will always rule for all time. The majority will fluctuate and the rules will change back and fourth to determine what civil liberties are considered.

In my opionion, it boils down to the fact that we are all people wanting our personal things to include a quality of life. If our civil liberties as a whole were being infringed upon, things would be different. If you can prove to me that the majority believe that their civil liberties are being infringed upon, then let me know because you may have a case.

In this case, the popular news media should be inundated with broadcasting what is going on.

Friendly and lovingly respect for all that it's worth.

-John

Wakajawaka 12. September 2006, 23:02

Hi John

You said earlier.....

"I think you need to rethink this because the majority will always rule for all time".

What??????

As soon as the majority start "ruling for all time" can you please give me a shout and let me know!! :smile:


half_tech 12. September 2006, 23:34

Wakajawaka - yeah, RIGHT NOW! :smile:

Why is it hard to understand that our conflict among ourselves and the controlling state is that which is of the very thing we are all made of?

In detail, people do what they do on a daily basics and have their opportunities to play with fire otherwise. The very same mechanisms that rule and govern are within all of us.

angel292005 13. September 2006, 02:45

In America majority rules, thank God it is that way or else we would be like (insert any country here).

FXM256 14. September 2006, 00:03

Thanks, Isabel.

Hi Sarah, there are things that we can do to make things better, like demand that the truth about 9/11 be given to the public, among other things.

Hi John, there are many people that believe their civil liberties are being infringed upon. If a majority of people agreed with me taking the money out of your wallet everyday, would that make it right? Of course not. Remember, that the major mainstream media does not always report the truth about things. You can't believe everything that they tell you.

Interesting discussion this post has caused

:smile:
Marcus


FXM256 14. September 2006, 02:38

Hi everyone,
Here's some more 9/11 stuff that I found online:

Sibel Edmonds (a former FBI Whistleblower) writes about the fraudulent 9/11 Commission report here: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2006090610003242

The Top 40 Reasons to Doubt the "Official Story" of September 11, 2001: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646


Did Bush Know?
:: Warning Signs of 9-11 and Intelligence Failures :: http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq36.html
That is from the Sample Pages provided on the website of the book, "The War on Freedom": http://waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html

The first 2 links come from 911Truth: http://www.911truth.org/index.php

Just some more stuff for you to look at.

Thanks,
Marcus

wickedlizard 14. September 2006, 09:50

I have more such links on my site... :D

half_tech 14. September 2006, 16:50

Hi John, there are many people that believe their civil liberties are being infringed upon. If a majority of people agreed with me taking the money out of your wallet everyday, would that make it right? Of course not. Remember, that the major mainstream media does not always report the truth about things. You can't believe everything that they tell you.



Hi Marcus,
Unfortunately, the many people believing their civil liberties are being infringed upon is not good enough. If the majority of the people agreed with you taking the money out of my wallet everyday, this would be right and justified because of the good reasons for doing it. You are correct that truth is not always reported; this is why viewing multiple reliable sources is so very important. Lastly, believing everything that is interpreted would be nonsense (you are correct); however, coming to certain conclusions for progress by everyone's input is historically beneficial. :smile:

Thank you for your energy.

FXM256 14. September 2006, 23:11

Hi Isabel, I'll check them out soon

Hi John, How is me stealing money out of your wallet ever right and justified? Stealing is wrong, period! No matter if a majority of people believed that there was nothing wrong with me doing it. Oh well, guess we can agree to disagree.

Regards,
Marcus

half_tech 14. September 2006, 23:19

Howdy Marcus,

I meant taking in the sence of collection of funds like taxes; not stealing as if it is unlawfully collected. If the majority agreed for lawful collection of funds; it is OK because it is not stealing. I agree, stealing is wrong.

Friendly respect,
John

FXM256 15. September 2006, 03:37

Hi John,
If the people agreed on lawful collection of a tax, then that would be ok. Glad that we agree about stealing.

Thanks,
Marcus

half_tech 15. September 2006, 04:14

Cool - right on.

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