::Alina Niam::

"А вот что спросить я не придумала."
Так всегда бывает, когда все знаешь, а тем более сейчас, если что нибудь интересует можно всегда узнать в интернете

Felin, здравствуй, дорогая! Только что посмотрела этот замечательный фильм. Далай-лама понравился своей трогательностью. Он как большой, улыбчивый ребенок, но такой мудрый и такой смешливый одновременно. А слова его о времени, о перерождениях и перенаселении - всё из его уст звучало так спокойно, непринужденно, доходчиво. Отношение к смерти как к чему-то совсем обыденному, как к части жизни... Он утешил, что мы еще вернемся!) Это радует, но в то же время огорчает - куда мы вернемся? На какую землю попадем, если сейчас всё загадим? Этот вопрос заставил задуматься...

Originally posted by Felin:

А мне понравилась его идея о том. что хорошо было бы сделать всех китайцев (или народ в большей части) монахами!

Это утопическая идея, мне кажется. Она действующая, вполне реальная, но с современными человеческими запросами, пусть даже тех же китайцев...

Originally posted by Felin:

Я вот задумалась, а что бы победило? Вера или размножение?

В Ведах описываются 4 основных занятия живых существ, заменяющих им самоосознание — это еда, сон, совокупление и страх, или самозащита. "Все должны есть и спать, чтобы восстанавливать силы и омолаживать тело. Совокупление — также естественная функция, необходимая для существования различных форм жизни. Однако, занимаясь этими видами деятельности, живое существо постоянно боится того, что эта деятельность прекратится или же ухудшится ее качество". Отсюда и "танцуем". Победит размножение, поскольку духовный уровень всего человечества в целом оставляет желать лучшего!

Originally posted by Felin:

уж и помечтать нельзя...

Да помечтать-то можно, и даже очень полезно - сама отношусь к разряду фантазёров и мечтателей))

Originally posted by Slavjana:

духовный уровень всего человечества в целом оставляет желать лучшего!

что про Тибет и про лам в частности широко говорить не принято
http://el-murid.livejournal.com/122312.html
там в каментах еще есть кой-чего интересного

Да, прям какие-то ужасы описаны... Согласна с Алиной - нужно это изучать не таким образом. Сейчас можно выловить в Сети столько противоречивой информации, что это точно не даст полной картины, а то и вообще покажет все в другом свете.

вики типичное средство пропаганды
пож

Originally posted by Slavjana:

все в другом свете

картина печальна тем, когда уйдут историки, дипломаты и разведчики "старой" советской школы, многие вещи узнать станет вообще проблематично

Originally posted by Felin:

Felin

привык к тому, что журналистике в т.ч. присуще не потребление, а добывание информации.
чего не скажешь о вызывающем доверие журнализме, как по нынешним временам.
но надежда еще окончательно не померла)

развитие технологий манипуляции общественным сознанием на месте не стоит.
потому нынешнему поколению журналистов сложнее, и не их в том вина)

если так, если не утрируешь, то наоборот - ты их конечный продукт))

а то!

Originally posted by Felin:

А мне понравилась его идея о том. что хорошо было бы сделать всех китайцев (или народ в большей части) монахами!

I tried to watch your video but obviously I can't understand a thing in Russian language. If there is a same video in English please let me know. I am not sure what this Lama would be good for Chinese people as stated in your comment. Do you think only Dalai Lama represent Buddhism?

Tibetan Buddhism is only a small section of Asian Buddhism, as a matter of fact, in Tibet there are at least 4 different sections, Dalai Lama represents only one of them, do you know he oppressed the other sections? He could only fool westerners who are brainwashed by propaganda and ignorant and unfamiliar with Buddhism, how many Asian people follow him?

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I very much appreciate Buddhism because it is a very peaceful religion, it's inclusive, non violent and tolerant, it seeks inner peace rather than self-righteousness. This is why Buddhism has never had religious wars. However, Dalai Lama is not a good representative of Buddhism.

Why C1A support him? here is a short article you can read. And here is a video from your country's Russia Today, it clearly said Dalai Lama is a political figure in disguise of religion. Why the western powers support him? Because he could be used to make ethnic conflicts in China, just like making racial conflicts between ethnic Russians and Chechens --- the goal is to split Chinese territory.
Who is Dalai Lama? Dalai Lama was a slave owner and serf owner before C1A smuggled him out of Tibet.

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He is now just a puppet, a good actor, for the western powers.http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2009/10/10/781588/bush_dalai_lama-420x0.jpg -

Today, I just make these two comments, but the story about Tibet and Dalai Lama is a lot more.

It's your freedom to respect whoever you want, but when you have no idea about the world politics and no idea about Chinese including Tibet history, and when you say "Dalai Lama is good for Chinese people" as if you know him more than we Chinese do, as if Chinese don't know about Buddhism, then I have to point out the facts.

China has become the homeland of Buddhism for a long time, we know Buddhism very well. We treated Dalai Lama well, only requesting him to abandon slavery in Tibet, but he betrayed us and started working for C1A to destroy our nation, he only represents the upper ruling class of the old theocratic Tibet, slave owners.

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(Dalai Lama on the left)

This is not personal. I say these not only on your blog but on any blogs that involved false information about Tibet, because it is about the integrity of Chinese people and Chinese land.

Here is what you said, please translate "А мне понравилась его идея о том. что хорошо было бы сделать всех китайцев (или народ в большей части) монахами! " into English. I hope Google translator didn't fool me.

Please explain "Chinese population" issue clearly and I will answer it.

To my knowledge, Dalai Lama has been lying all the time by saying "The Han Chinese are overtaking Tibetans", Let me tell you, Han population in Tibet is less than 10% and historically many Tibetans also live in provinces adjacent to Tibet such as Qinghai, Yunnan, Sichuan, Guizhou etc.

Chinese government has strict rules on population control -- one Child per family. This applies to Han Chinese families, however, all ethnic minorities including Tibetans can have as many children as they want, did Dalai Lama tell you this?

Again, I am waiting for you to tell me about population issues.

Originally posted by Felin:

I'm sure you know more about everything in your country, and don't wanna say anything bad!

I don't know about everything about my country, however, if I don't know enough I wouldn't speak. Please read my post and make sure you see I said "Shame on China for not casting veto vote at UN" on Libya war. I hope you judge me on facts not on perception.

Originally posted by Felin:

I just say that in all times people find the reason to kill someone special..

Please give details about who kills who, the historical truth is that Dalai Lama's brother working with C1A first killed the people's Tibetan government officials, almost all of them were killed in 1959 including Tibetans. Should Chinese government respond to it? Do you expect Russian government do nothing when terrorists use violence to kill Russians? to stir up ethnic conflicts? to split your country?

Originally posted by Felin:

Always can find something bad and good in one person. It's depend on which side you are.

As a general statement it is true, however, we are debating on a specific topic, so please debate on details instead of making general statement. Otherwise, I can ask: Does C1A also have good and bad in itself? what good has C1A done to this world? Do you think a good decent person would associate himself with C1A?

Originally posted by Felin:

It's depend on which side you are.

You keep saying you are not political and you are not interested in politics. But the reality is that Dalai Lama himself is a very political figure and you choose his side. Does this mean you are political?

Where in this world do you see a Buddhist monk making handshakes all the time with world political leaders especially those war mongers such as Bush and Obama other than Dalai Lama? Why a monk receive fund from C1A??? I suppose you don't deny Dalai Lama is funded by C1A, do you? if not, I can find further proof for you.

I have said you can like whatever whoever you want, I don't really care. However when you make statement about China you should based on true history and facts instead of yelling, that's not a way to persuade people.

Stop using God to make argument on social, economic and political issues, people in Asia don't believe it, in case you don't know, let me tell you - there is NO　God in Buddhism.

China (India as well) has always had a large population since ancient time, why can't we have now? Do you think Europeans can have as many babies as you want but Chinese can't? Do you think we have less right than you do? This is RACIST! Chinese have as much right as anyone else.

The world resource is limited， however, if you know how to do a simple calculation -- divide world total GDP by world total population, you should see the total product produced in the world is more than enough for everyone in this planet. The population is not the problem at all.

What's the problem? The problem is over-consumption by the developed rich nations! The problem is capitalism driven rich-poor disparity! Look at the US, it only accounts for 2% of world total population yet it consumes 25% of world energy, do you think it's fair? and the top 1% of world rich controls over 70% of world wealth, do you think it's fair? Why don't you ask them to consume less? Why don't you fight for economic justice instead of blaming Chinese? It's ridiculous, Chinese work much harder than most people in the world! in fact, this so called "population" issue are man-made by the developed rich nations because they don't want to change their lifestyle. They exploit most people in the world.

If Dalai Lama is saying Chinese had too much population, then it just proved what I said -- he is just a puppet for the imperialist powers.

Originally posted by Felin:

And why you decided that I'm think that Chinese are bad people and Lama is good?

Where did I ever say so? Quote my original words if you can.

Originally posted by Felin:

I know not much about the history of these two countries. But still they HAVE their own history, right. And sometimes that story is not as pretty as we would like! Russia also made a lot of bad things - like killing almost all the Buddhist monks in Tuva and destroyed many temples. In fact, we have a similar story on that way.

Let me tell you Tibet has never been an independent country for over 1000 years, so stop calling it a country. Russia doesn't recognize it as a country, the US doesn't recognize it as a country and no nation in the world recognize it as a country. The UN doesn't recognize it as a country as well, this is because there is no international law recognizes it as a country, there is no history for 1000 years showing it as an independent country! As I said you have no idea about Chinese including Tibetan history yet you keep making wrong statement without supporting facts.

Please don't mix up Tibet history with "Tibet as a country", these are two totally different concepts. I have never said Tibet has no history, instead it has a rich history and Tibet history has intertwined with Han Chinese as well as other ethnic Chinese for over 1000 years. Tibet has been part of China since Yuan Dynasty.

Do you think because Russia killed Buddhist monks in Tuva and destroyed many temples, then Chinese must have done the same? This is NOT presenting FACTS. Can I say because the Americans genocide native Indians and enslaved black people so Russians did the same? Can I say this? So please make your statement more specific when and where and why Chinese killed Buddhist monks. Is it because the so called "monks" first killed Chinese or because Chinese are insane, Chinese just like to kill monks? just like to destroy temples? Be more specific.

Let me also tell you a bit about real Buddhism. Unlike western religions that have kept fighting religious wars for over 2000 years since the time Jesus was born, Buddhism has never had religious wars because Buddhism are peaceful and tolerant to each other, we are inclusive, not excluding any other religions, so we have no need to kill monks. Buddhism has never become a ruling class either except in Tibet and Tibet was the only place that the Lamas used Buddhism to rule and to enslave people. And this is what Chinese central government abolished and liberated 95% of Tibet population from slavery.

Here is a post I wrote 3 years ago about Tibet history, and there are historical documents, also documentary videos made by Americans, if you don't understand spoken English you probably can find someone to help you.

And here is a video clip with English subtitles where you can see what a French politicians are saying:

You need lots of vitamins! But I can't really blame you because the mainstream media purposely disinform people on China. You might get some idea on China including Tibet from some of the videos or TV series on this site, it's in Russian language. (see the red bar on the top)
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