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very beautiful picture, scott

By SqueakeyCat, # 25. December 2007, 22:14:28

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A nice painting, Scott! :smile:

By FXM256, # 26. December 2007, 03:50:47

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thank you kim. glad you like it. the original is egg tempera but it's scanned from a small photo so you really can't see the detail. but it's painted like a persian miniature with much more detail in the faces and animals. for example, i'll bet you didn't see the lion in the cave high above the manger.

hi marcus, thank you for the compliment.

By I_ArtMan, # 26. December 2007, 05:12:39

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Beautifully made. The motive naive and traditional as it should be, but the colours giving hints of the not-so-sweet world and evil lurking in the shadows.

Like it a lot.

By ricewood, # 26. December 2007, 11:27:23

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Nice, reminds me of the area where they used to do a nativity play just north of me in the Wichita Mountains. Looks like a very public birth, just the way it should be.
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By angel292005, # 26. December 2007, 11:46:01

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Gorgeous. There is a lot to see---I love the detail.
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By DuckyChickenLady, # 27. December 2007, 14:27:06

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allan,
well perceived. yes, the world has always been in need of lightening.
glad you liked the naibe effect. yes, intentional.

hi sarah,
i was reasoning that if these three kings and wise men and shepards and entourages were all visiting that they would have brought the christ child outside for all to see.

thanks cheryl,
unfortunatly, the real detail is lost in the jpg version. i spent many hours working on this over a period of a year. i was too busy with building chimneys and raising babies to paint for a few years so this was just a kind of solace for me.

By I_ArtMan, # 27. December 2007, 17:19:39

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We all need solace. It's good that you had a place to find it. I'm glad you have more opportunity to enjoy your art these days. It's quite lovely.

By noah counte, # 27. December 2007, 19:44:05

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thank you matthew. yep. and some choices of solace are better than others. painting is my greatest healer.

By I_ArtMan, # 27. December 2007, 20:00:05

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A hope and a prayer visualized - Very Well done Scott
Happy newyear my friend:)

By nopanic, # 28. December 2007, 11:59:30

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"...some choices of solace are better than others."

Brother, that's a mouthful. Easy to say, hard to comprehend in a way that better choices more attractive than those that are not so hot.

By noah counte, # 29. December 2007, 02:10:36

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of course, i'm no expert, but i did finally notice that the feelings are faster and more reliable than the head as far as choice is concerned.
i even coined a sentence about it.
"if you think it's wrong it probably is wrong." or you could say if you have a sensation of struggle going on within, that's the moment to put some effort into waking up and smelling the coffee.

it's not easy. nobody, and no religion of psychiatry has a real handle on self control. it remains the private domain of each individuals journey towards wisdom or away from it.
"you don't coast up."

By I_ArtMan, # 29. December 2007, 03:14:58

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I think my journey is concentric circles (relative to wisdom). I get a little closer, then I plateau for a while.

The older I get, the easier self control becomes. Not because I'm stronger, but because I am lazier. I simply don't mov as quickly as I used to - towards anything - and that gives me more time to be rational.

I think.

My theory on most of the counseling/psychiatric arts is that people who enter those fields started in college undecided about what to major in, and decided to take a psychology course. Maybe they wanted to figure something out about themselves, or maybe they see themselves reflected in the coursework somewhere. Well, introductory pyscholgy doesn't delve very deeply into anything, so they have to take a higher level course or two. Pretty soon they have so many credits they might as well major in it. And then what are they to do? Get a masters (or MD) and hang a shingle. Of course, they still haven't solved their own problems. All of which means that they are probably fit to help us with our problems, but that they bring some of their own issues to the table, and you have to be on the lookout for them, just in case they are in conflict with your treatment.

Just an opinion, borne of years in the social services.

By noah counte, # 29. December 2007, 04:18:56

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it's a plausable analysis excepting naturally that there are a rare few who are truly suited and in a sense called to solve the mysteries of the mind. they almost certainly do so with true compassion and scientific interest.
sort of the useful priests of our time. i think there are some who even without compassion have accidentally gathered enough understanding to at least alleviate some of the suffering they find their patients to be experiencing. i'm also sure that much of the cases are just a temporaryily suffering from a kind of misunderstanding of what life is. as soon as that is unravelled for them through therapy they are relatively normalized and out of danger.

i think we're all broken 'machines', but self-observation proves that some processes do not even exist in the light and self-knowledge can lead to understanding just which nut to tighten and exactly what needs a little oiling. sometimes the brain, body or feelings are running on the wrong octane fuel.

that is not an original idea of mine. it's a paraphrase of an idea. one of a panoply of ideas making up the 'system' of george ivanovich gurdjieff.

of course modern psychology and religions are useful in keeping the whole populace from flipping their lids.

i do appreciate your comments and admire your ability to keep up our conversation.

isn't that dylan thomas in your profile photo?

By I_ArtMan, # 29. December 2007, 07:24:26

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I appreciate having someplace to ramble. Usually, I leave all this stuff inside my head.

It's not Dylan Thomas in my photo, it's the lead character in David Lynch's Eraserhead.

I don't suggest that the fact that counselors are as fractured (or moreso) than the rest of us is a problem. Indeed, it's probably what makes many of them them good at what they do. And, of course, there are Florence Nightengales. Some people are genuinely gifted. Then too, some are, as you say, lucky.

I'm going to have to look up Gurdjieff - I'm not familiar with the name, let alone the "system." [OK, so I peeked - he seems to be, in some ways, the father of the Mind Body Spirit movement. I like the premise of his Fourth Way, even if I am having trouble getting my head around "waking sleep." More research is definately in order.

Psychology and religion have their place - providing comfort and guidance, among other things - but in a society of addicts, both are prone to abuse. And since there are always those who are willing to profit from the suffering of others, I treat each warily.

By noah counte, # 29. December 2007, 13:49:12

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Beautiful painting. The sky reminds me of Van Gogh.

By cakkleberrylane, # 29. December 2007, 15:05:04

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hi lois,
i will take that as a compliment.

matthew, read in search of the miraculous for the best picture of g. as he calls him.
it's by peter demianovich ouspensky, an advanced mathematician who wrote tertium organum before he met g. i always say you have to be pretty brave to follow aristotle and francis bacon. brave in case you were wrong.

anyway there's a lot of misinformation about gurdjieff out there. even counterfeit 'schools', who put bookmarks in 'work' books in bookstores to lure the unsuspecting.

also, i recommend...
http://www.gurdjieff.org/
but read wisely, as the sufi saying goes... "if it weren't for the fact that there is real gold, there wouldn't be counterfeit."

gurdjieff's own books are written in three series and three different styles. "all and everything", or, "beelzebub's tales to his grandson" ponderous and verbose, convoluted with truths hidden in blocks of garrulous story-telling. not an easy book to read.
then in a lovely autobiographical light style the second series is called,
"meetings with remarkable men" from which his students made a film by the same name.

and finally, "life is real only then when i am", the third series. in a most intimate voice as if he were talking to you alone.

and don't usually talk about g. with anyone, and this is probably the last i will mention the 'fourth way' out in the open like this.

By I_ArtMan, # 29. December 2007, 19:22:12

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I've heard of Meetings with Remarkable Men. Didn't realize whom the author was. I'll have to give it more attention: that and the third. I'm not sure I have the time or attention for the first. I'm putting them on my "to read" list.

By noah counte, # 29. December 2007, 20:31:43

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it's your job too... after all you have a responsibility as a librarian to know everything about books.

By I_ArtMan, # 29. December 2007, 20:43:28

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"...you have a responsibility ... to know everything about books." And I'm 98% of the way there! Hahahaha. *whew*

By noah counte, # 29. December 2007, 20:54:22

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with reading itself going out of style in som many lives i love to find a good reader.

By I_ArtMan, # 29. December 2007, 21:38:16

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It's increasingly difficult to find the time to be a good reader. Not just for me, but for anyone. I'm not really a multitasker - I have to complete my tasks serially. That means I don't take care of my email on my Blackberry while I'm driving.

On the subject of reading, I've heard it postulated that people read more now than ever. At the same time, people read fewer books. Thank you, internet. All the more reason to spend time cultivating kids' critical reading skills, as well as their ability to judge source credibility.

By noah counte, # 29. December 2007, 23:23:35

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Nice artwork!

Are you a part Persian? You talk quite a bit of sufis and that painting style, I notice. This is something you really admire and a religion, too, now? I remember you talking about the stories by someone, my memories fail me.

By momable, # 29. December 2007, 23:27:34

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yeah, i can't even walk and chew at the same time.
i do see your point about reading on the web. i may be reading double what i used to.

yes, mom
i have a strong interest in persia... not just their ancient ideas but their fine miniature paintings really get to me. they had their periods. the sufi stories are just good metaphysical and humanistic kernals of wisdom... i am especially fond of their mulla nasr eddin.

i can tell hundreds of them. the mulla of course is as well known in all muslim countries as santa claus is here. look back and find a few posted on my blog with the illustrations that accompany them.

i'm planning to post the rest of the calendar i made of nasr eddin stories. now and then. i think.

By I_ArtMan, # 30. December 2007, 01:14:52

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I remember your mulla nasr eddin stories! Just couldn't recall the name.

By momable, # 30. December 2007, 05:27:00

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yeah, i'll put some more up soon.

By I_ArtMan, # 30. December 2007, 06:48:03

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Interesting with the reading-issue.

I probably also read more than I did 15 years ago, but I´m not sure I want to thank the Internet. Seems to me that I read mainly on "the surface" of things when online. And what is worse - that affects my reading habits offline. I find it increasingly difficult to read a full novel. I tend to jump from place to place in the book - forward and backward - as if I was using hyperlinks. Result is, that I often lose track of what´s important and also loses the ability to go in depth with the book.

Well something I´ll have to deal with.

By ricewood, # 30. December 2007, 09:08:41

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prescription for alan: two lbs. of jack london a cup of dickens, a dram a day of rilke. simmer all of this in a quart of thomas mann and call me in the morning.

if this fails to cure the restlessness. re-read crime and punishment.

By I_ArtMan, # 30. December 2007, 10:27:12

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Thanks, doc. It´s not every day you´ll get a diet this tasteful.

By ricewood, # 30. December 2007, 10:32:10

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I'm not sure that internet reading is bad, even if it is superficial. I've never heard of it changing someone's reading habits (hyperlinked novels are, well, novel), but I suppose it shouldn't surprise me that it would. I can't sit through a movie anymore.

The thing about reading is that any reading is practice, and most reading is vocabulary-building. Both of those are a good thing.

On the other hand, the inability to assimilate information over a long term engagement with material is problematic. War and Peace may be overkil, though...

By noah counte, # 30. December 2007, 14:27:58

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at the core of it all, for me, is whether i can be interested.

sometimes it is practice. but real reading... my kind of reading which goes back to early teens is devouring books and authors and sometimes having stacks of books i'm reading at the same time.

for a book like "war and peace", there must be peace and quiet.
or like "les miserables" or "don quijote" or any rabellais.... i can't be in a battle with life at the same time. but you could read dumas on the bus in an air raid. he he he

when i was thirteen or so i was very lucky. we lived in a big house in easthampton. long island. there were plenty of bedrooms but i chose the attic because it had stairs that dropped down; thenyou could pull them up and i was in my own world with a hot plate and various teas. and my older brother couldn't get to me.

the internet is good for browsing sacred texts that are hard to find at barnes and noble.

we do have a fantastic store here in los angeles called the 'bodhi tree' with new and used books.

By I_ArtMan, # 30. December 2007, 18:37:45

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I get to go to Portland, OR every May, and I add an extra day to my trip just to spend six or eight hours in Powell's Books. So big that it has its own map.

I grew up on used detective fiction: Sherlock Holmes, Hercule Poirot, Inspector Allyn, Lord Peter Wimsey, and Ellery Queen, among others. Also private eye fiction: Nero Wolfe, Philip Marlowe, Sam Spade, Mike Hammer, Lew Archer, etc.

I tore through it, but I didn't pay much attention to nonfiction or classics until I graduated from high school. I still love the classic detective/private eye, but I have a much wider range. I read a lot of biographies and historical treatments.

One of my favorite books, probably because of the sheer weight of information presented in a way that is readable and, in a way that no other book I've ever read does, ties things together as though they were hyperlinked, is Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everything. Plus, he's got a good sense of humor and a beter sense of the absurd.

By noah counte, # 30. December 2007, 19:01:12

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matthew, you should get to know edward piercy in opera... he's a detective writer.

there are so many great books... you could spend a lifetime and barely scratch the surface... stendhal for instance, nobody reads stendhal... "the red and the black"

i wrote a long reading list for a young friend of mine posted it here in opera somewhere.... then i sent it off to my youngest son, ryan.
then i keep remembering i hadn't included people like pearl s. buck and stendhal.

i was lucky. i had a very well read father who kept feeding me books. and on the other hand, a brother a year older. so i just read whatever he had found after him.

By I_ArtMan, # 30. December 2007, 19:12:29

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As you say, there are so many books...

To me, one of the many beauties of books is that two people of disparate political persuasion, different religious belief or ferver, or divergent socio-economic background, can find commonality. Two people who have read the same book have a common bond, regardless of what ever else may separate them. Even if they don't both like the book, they have a place to explore each other based on experience shared at a different time and place.

I'll look Mr. Piercy up. I so envy writers of fiction. I would try to write detective fiction for a living, if I thought I had even one in me. I just can't do it - even when I try to follow the rules.

By noah counte, # 30. December 2007, 19:32:53

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that's so true matthew. kind of like a bond. you put it well.

here's the link for the resident detective novelist.
http://my.opera.com/edwardpiercy/info/

By I_ArtMan, # 30. December 2007, 20:51:20

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Thank you - I've aleady peeked. I have some reading to do now!

By noah counte, # 30. December 2007, 21:05:00

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the funny thing was, my friend picked me up to go to breakfast... i just got back... but the funny thing was, in the car we got into talking about books and comparing notes. i had an interesting juxtaposition of operateering and flesh and blood. in the car there was much more excited interrupting of each other in our exchange.
in opera there's more time to consider. and you can always edit. lol

but i am so glad i read a couple of versions of faust when i was a teenager so i had many adventures and travels having been warned that life might just pass me by if i spent all of my time with my nose in books.

By I_ArtMan, # 30. December 2007, 21:17:56

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I appear to be much brighter here than I actually ame. Time to think, opportunity to edit... "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

The give and take of face to face interaction is to be cherishd, I think. It's easy to retreat into a world where we lose all the cues of communication that convey so much meaning in person - goodness knows I spend a lot of time here. It's just nice to see the knowing smile, the animated gesticulation, to hear excitement in a voice...

By noah counte, # 30. December 2007, 21:35:06

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the wizard of oz lol

it's just different. it may be even easier to know someone else's mind in the type-talking sphere. there are so many distractions in person. i find that i need both. both means of human interaction add to my life.

with out the mixture of various radiations or vibrations but more... pheromones etc. and reactions to subtle movements, the meaning of which dissolves immediatly, it's easier to be frank and honest online.

i mean only of course if you intend to be. i find honesty is a cool tool for me. but i do understand that some people like to be someone they are not in cyber... i've heard about it. like my brother when i told him i had about nine cyber girlfriends... he said, "yeah, but how do you know 'she' doesn't have a beard?" well, he's much more paranoid than i am. i tend to take people at face value.

By I_ArtMan, # 30. December 2007, 22:23:24

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There was a time when I used the internet to cultivate romantic/sexual relationships. I was honest enough - I fully expected to meet people in "real life," though I hid things (like the fact that I was intending to meet others, too). I met some awfully nice people that way, but the chemistry is sure different when you share a physical space. Sometimes it worked, sometimes not. My experience is that there are a LOT of dishonest people looking for something online. To the point of being men posing as women. I don't get it, but there is a lot of it.

I also met a lot of wives who were interested in seeing naked pictures of men and thought it was not cheating, but who would have thought their husbands cheats if they were the ones handing out pictures. I came to the conclusion that there are a lot of depressed people online - and they (we) are very good at finding each other.

I think for most people, it's not about lying or truth - it's about creating alternate realities. Just like drugs or alcohol. And just like drugs or alcohol, sooner or later that environment becomes depressing to live in (or maybe the depression precedes it). Which is why I like the communities I am engaged in now - no pretense, no hidden agendas. Just people who enjoy each other's company and don't mind sharing the mundane bits of their days. No expectations of trysts, just people who have come to care for each other.

By noah counte, # 30. December 2007, 23:40:20

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right, no axe to grind. just chating because it's possible. hmmm two t's in chatting? have to look that one up.

but you've expressed it very well. said it all even.

i just find it's a better pastime to talk to and listen people from all over the world than say... do something so passive as couch potatoing.

i do watch television but it's usually to rest, not to escape. i won't allow myself that as an escape anymore. also, of course, i love movies.

By I_ArtMan, # 31. December 2007, 00:13:00

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People are much better at talking then listening - and much more interested in YOUR listening skills than their own. I find that most of the time, when someone says "I want your opinion, they mean "I want you to listen" but not "I want you to tell me what you think" (especially if it doesn't coincide with what they think).

I'm probably being overly harsh. But it is true that your opinion doesn't matter much if you are a good listener. I find that if people who want your opinon are allowed to say what need to say, they usually work things out while they listen to themselves talk.

I received satelite television as a gift, after having no reception at all for ten years. It's made me much less attentive. I used to enjoy watching movies, but I can't sit trhough one now. I watch a DVD, and it takes me four days to get through the whole thing. On the other hand, I get my fill of speed skating and curling.

Once I had zero channels and nothing to watch, and now I have 140 channels with nothing to watch. I don't feel richer.

They have said "it's a small world" for many years, but it becomes truer every day. And the biggest reason that is true in my world is because I can speak to people I've never met in countries I've never visted about things I didn't know anything about yesterday. Nice.

By noah counte, # 31. December 2007, 00:39:40

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that was very funny... i really am laughing out loud. i do need some comic relief now and then. especially after spending more than an hour getting sears to admit that i am the same real person they've known these many years so i could use my card. haven't used it for so long, they forgot about me i guess.

By I_ArtMan, # 31. December 2007, 00:49:12

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See? No one wants to listen!

By noah counte, # 31. December 2007, 01:09:59

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Truth and love lies to crist. Good painting.

By mihirk, # 20. January 2008, 06:21:28

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not sure i understand but thank you.

By I_ArtMan, # 20. January 2008, 07:19:05

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