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A few thoughts on the speed of Kestrel (Opera 9.5)

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Opera 9.5 alpha (codenamed Kestrel) is full of great features, so it shouldn't be hard to convince your friends and family to give Opera a try, especially by the time we release Opera 9.5 final--which is going to rock! Even now, people are noticing how much faster Opera 9.5 is, and that's just the alpha release.

For example, see today's article on Slashdot: Opera 9.5 Beats Firefox and IE7 as Fastest Browser

What most of the Slashdot readers didn't notice, however, were the even more exhaustive set of benchmarks found here: http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/ (Someone mentioned that page, but it's buried in the comments.)




Obviously, being fast isn't everything, but it's definitely important. You already know that Opera's goal is to bring the Internet to all kinds of devices, which means that we have to work on technology that generally has less processor power than the most advanced desktop PCs. Another advantage of Opera, however, is that we work very well on older computers, providing a secure, fast, and modern browser to millions of people who don't have the luxury of buying a new computer every couple of years (or even more frequently than that).

Software like Opera gives older computers a longer life, which means that fewer of them have to be disposed of before their time, which would place a burden on the environment. As such, prioritizing speed and performance is not just about outgeeking our competition, bragging rights, or pushing the limits of cutting-edge technology. It's about creating efficient and intelligent technology that makes our everyday lives and the lives of our neighbors just a little bit better.

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http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

Hey, I mentioned that and posted a Forum Post in the "Beta testing" topic. :D

By Southern Cross, # 7. September 2007, 22:02:16

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That's cool :smile:

It's an article that deserves attention.

By Lawmune, # 7. September 2007, 22:12:38

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what I wonder a bit is: being fast also means that you're using less processor time. This and using less memory than another browser MIGHT mean that a laptop running Opera has a longer battery lifetime than a laptop running other sites.

I'd like to see a test where you decide on a set of webpages to be visited by a browser, where the browser spends X minutes for one webpage and Y for another (simulating a natural browsing habit - reading news articles takes so long, watching a youtube video takes as long as the video is...) and comparing how far you get using IE, Safari, Firefox or Opera on the same laptop using the same battery. I have NO clue if there is any significant difference. If there is, you can think of new marketing slogans.

"Fastest" browser is meaningless to most people. Although it's really the same thing, what you have to emphasize is "Spend less time waiting for web pages to load with Opera". Integrate the total amount of time needed to load the set of webpages opened in the above mentioned test and you can say "you wait X minutes of your day waiting for webpages to load with IE, but only Y with Opera!" and such.

By WildEnte, # 7. September 2007, 22:18:03

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WildEnte: You're absolutely right. When it comes to marketing, we need to clearly show how Opera actually helps people in their day-to-day computer use. Bar graphs are okay for some audiences, but I like the real-world example you bring up.

I don't know about the laptop scenario you describe (anyone willing to set up the experiment?), but it's certainly true that being able to use Opera on low-powered devices could result in significant energy savings.

By Lawmune, # 7. September 2007, 22:44:59

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that'd really depend on the laptop. in my subnotebook with ultra-low voltage cpu cpu-usage hardly matters. with cpu idling windows estimates about 4 min more (total 5:30h) runtime than with cpu at 100%. changing monitor brightness from max to min however adds a whole 50 minutes!

By larskl, # 7. September 2007, 23:27:39

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Thanks Lawrence!

WildeEnte: I think Opera would probably cause less battery drain on some of the tests (raytracer is the most shocking difference), but how that impacted overall battery life depends on endless other factors. You are welcome to try - just set the full render on a timer, unplug the power and sit and wait with a clock... ;-)

By non-troppo, # 8. September 2007, 00:26:32

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non-troppo, I was thinking rather of a "real world" test. I think it'd be fairly easy to agree on a test-bed of web sites, but I wouldn't know how to automate the browsers to surf them through. I think it's necessary to have that automated in order to exclude the human factor. Maybe it could be done by downloading all the sites one chooses to a local directory and add timed redirects from one page to another. I have no clue, however, how to really set up such a thing - I have yet to write my first web page.

By WildEnte, # 8. September 2007, 01:10:26

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@wildente i totally agree with your statements! but if you argues this way, opera will have to bring automatisations like thunderbird has, otherwise the m2 will be costs really time! all the time to delete some messages marked as something, sorting and so one (i'm using imap primary, and the new imap support is great, but there is some missing things...)

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By mabdul, # 8. September 2007, 11:02:43

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WildEnte, thinking of marketing it doesn't matter too much how real a test is. Furthermore it should be much easier to set up, to perform and to reproduce an artificial benchmark. Adding the probably pretty low difference between browsers on many notebooks why not try to get the maximum result (marketing: saves up to x minutes battery life on your notebook) and use Non-Troppos proposal, the raytracer, on a CPU intense notebook (i.e. with P4 for desktop and with small screen size etc.).

By ResearchWizard, # 8. September 2007, 11:40:37

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because I, for one, think that a real life test bed makes things much more credible. If you run a test that's designed to make opera look good, and use it for marketing, what will happen? Opera's voice is not heard as easily as that of Apple, Microsoft and Mozilla. If they'd see that Opera's coming anywhere close to marketing success with such an artificial campaign, their own much bigger marketing would shred opera to pieces:

"Opera wins in test that was designed for it to win!"

By WildEnte, # 8. September 2007, 13:47:04

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mabdul: you're not using m2 right. I have yet to sort a single message in M2. You FIND things instead of sorting them.

Also, if you want to make that comparison: Opera corresponds to FF+TB .... think about battery life again.

By WildEnte, # 8. September 2007, 13:50:58

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@wildente but on different pcs i have to use thunderbird or the webmail account and so i want the messages sorted in the right folder to get the overview!

By mabdul, # 9. September 2007, 09:52:46

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you can easily create views that act like folders in M2, too. Just mark messages in those views as filtered, and don't show filtered messages in your Unread.

By WildEnte, # 9. September 2007, 14:40:32

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yeah! you're right and i know this: but if i'm on a pc without my opera i got the problem, that i need the mails from my imap-account sorted in the folders. the views are great. i use them for my 3 pop accounts ^^. works fine. but the messages in the imap can't be all in the imap-inbox without confusing and long search for an spezific mail o.O the need to be sorted in the right folder. but this can't go automatisized by the m2 :frown: [not at this time, or haven't i found any option to do this]

By mabdul, # 10. September 2007, 13:29:55

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well, you can subscribe to your imap folders... Although this is going a bit off-topic now.

By WildEnte, # 10. September 2007, 14:35:07

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Opera rocks! :wink:

By ADuda, # 10. September 2007, 20:17:46

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kestrel is faster and nice, only problem i have encontered so far is playing at brainking.com (the games which consist of more moves per part are not "playing", the computer does not "now" i have played)

By kjana, # 10. October 2007, 10:28:40

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