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Originally posted by Terje:

Sometimes, I wonder how “heroes” like these [Green Lantern and Captain Marvel] have managed to survive for 40, 50 years. To the extent that they have, of course.



Because they’re bigger than life, and they are cumulative creations, meaning that as new writers (and I suppose, artists) get assigned to them, their mythology, personalities and identities grow. The ones, for instance, that are originally concieved as too ridiculously powerful becomes iconic, a wonderful foil for other characters or simply interesting sources for stories of how it is for a god to devote his life to protect those who would by all means seem to be less than he (Superman). The very things that make them inherently ridiculous is what makes them iconic, and they’ve had decades of cumulative story-telling creating an often very rich and interesting tapestry of backstory and depth explaining why this seemingly ridiculous trait actually makes sense with the character and the world.

The reason why a story about a guy who wields absolute power through a ring limited only by his imagination and things of the colour yellow becomes iconic and popular is the exact same reason why people told stories about the bull that mounted Europa or Herakles killing the Hydra for centuries. The advantage of the superhero comic books that the faerytales, legends and myths of old never quite could match, though, is the depth of the cumulative qualities. Stories of Herakles would probably get bigger and more impressive, boring bits being cut away and good bits being added, as the centuries went past, true, but nothing in human history can compete with the modern age’s archives of past stories, allowing stories to be built on stories that’s built on other stories. Like the stories of Herakles and Perseus, the stories of the Green Lantern were constructed over a long period of time by many, many story-tellers - but unlike the stories of Herakles and Perseus, the storytellers of DC and Marvel Comics have had a certain (and increasing) amount of joint direction, co-operation and planning that was never available or even doable with similar characters of old.

Why these heroes survive for half a century? You might as well ask why people tell stories.

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cryonic101 29. April 2008, 10:36

Well technically The Green Lantern hasnt survived 50 years - hes been changed, replaced and his replacement replaced.

And the massive continual revisions to the DC universe often write entire continuities out of existence. ( the whole infinite crises stuff)

cryonic101 29. April 2008, 10:38

Superman or batman - they are better examples of timelessness.

Loki Aesir 29. April 2008, 15:42

Really? They might not have changed their alter-egos much, or their names, but truly, isn't there as huge a change in character as any they've done with the GL? Especially with Batman.


But yes, I guess. I've never read any pure GL-stories, always just crossovers and team-ups. My experience with mainstream DC is usually limited to Batman, and when I branch out it tends to be to well-known Superman-stories or JLA-stories/other big crossovers. Thus I have a very weird knowledge of all the other heroes - I feel like I know stuff about them, but it's all really from reading them as parts of the DC whole, never as protagonists in their own right.

I keep meaning to try out some, Green Lantern or Green Arrow specifically, but I never get around to it.

cryonic101 30. April 2008, 08:24

Batman and Supes are classic timeless icons. Batman may be a bit darker now but the feel of the character hasnt intrinsically departed from its inception. Same goes for Supes as noble upholder of truth and Lawful goodness.

Change is often good though, it shakes up a character and makes for more interesting stories.

Re Comics as Mythic archytypes - you are right. The details can change , the people playing the character can change, but the core mythic(story) elements remain and pass into popular conciousness.

Loki Aesir 30. April 2008, 10:54

Seems we basically agree. ^^ Speaking of superheroes, I'm hoping to get to the cinema next week and see "Iron Man". It'll be exciting to see if it holds up to all the hype. :smile:

cryonic101 30. April 2008, 11:04

Iron man - tomorrow!!

Loki Aesir 30. April 2008, 11:14

Yay! Envy!

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