Iron Man
Monday, 5. May 2008, 22:03:28
The Hulk was kind of artsy and dark and weird, and though it had some cool moments it'll hardly go down in history as an example of a successful attempt at making a movie of a Marvel superhero. The Fantastic Fours sadly kind of put themselves on a more kid-movie sort of level, but they weren't as bad as everybody says they are. (Alright, maybe a little bit, but I'll maintain that the casting was pretty good) Elektra, however... And just when Daredevil stood a good chance to redeem himself through the impressingly improving director's cut. But, you know, Spider-man was a pretty darned good movie. And though Dafoe was sorely missed, Spider-man 2 was probably even better. X-men was rather unimpressively decent, but laid a fantastic foundation for the brilliant X-men 2. Both franchises kinda limped their way through the third installments, though Spidey did so remarkably well, but the point is, Marvel's really done some pretty darn good superhero-movies before. Heck, I even liked The Punisher, though I'll accept that while a decent movie it wasn't that good a portrayal of the character.
But this... this buggers those "decent attempts" up the arse, if you'll pardon my French, wipes the floor with Spider-man and gives even Spidey 2 andGod Among Insects X-men 2 a run for their money. Even DC's Batman Begins should get a little uneasy seeing Downey Jr. donning his armor.
Because of THIS is the result when Marvel decides to finance their own movies, then I need to look into getting some kind of moviegoing discount card.
Iron Man is the kind of movie that had me go home feeling guilty that I hadn't gotten a premiere ticket to see it. It had Robert Downey Jr. in the main part, and I knew from the second I heard that that I was in store for something good. Now, I'm one of those losers who only really know the man from his relatively short run at Ally McBeal, but he made a strong and lasting impression on me there as one of the funniest and most charming characters the show had (and this was a show sporting the infamous duovirate of Cage & Fish) and I spent every episode the show had after he left hoping he'd come back on. And something in my head just clicked when I heard he was signed on as Tony Stark, instinctively I just knew he'd do a stellar job of portraying the guy who's probably my favourite Marvel character. (Yes, I have a thing for billionaire control-freak geniuses with eccentric alter egos, it's TV2's fault for airing Zorro every weekend when I grew up, let's move along?)
So, my favourite character played by an actor I felt unusually confident would do a good job - and from Jon Favreau, the guy who directed the very funny Elf and was hilarious as Foggy Nelson on Daredevil. Then came the mindblowingly awesome trailer. And suddenly, the movie was out, and people were going crazy praising it. Reviewers, people I knew, online acquaintences with very good tastes, fans of the comics and uninitiated alike. They were all jumping through hoops to tell me how much fun this movie was. It simply had to disappoint, and all that remained was hoping it only did so somewhat.
So, yeah, no, seems like someone decided they'd just skipped the hole conforming to reality-thing with this movie and in an astonishing feat of improbability worthy of Zaphod Beeblebrox, Iron Man lived up to the insane expectations and was all kinds of awesome.
Sure, the plot is rather predictable, particularily due to the very conventional and orthodox use of an overused badguy-formula without any real twists. (Though they do have some half-hearted attempts at throwing you off track) Also, the badguys of the movie are rather flat and uninteresting in their own rights.
It just doesn't matter though. This movie is solid through and through, and aside from whoever wrote the script and the fantastic dialogue, the main credit for that HAS to be given to Downey Jr.. Tony Stark is not just any ass, he's a brilliant ass, and watching this movie, you love him for it every single step of the way. You coo like a fanboy at his (often incredibly lame) jokes and chuckle merrily when he treats people like crap from the very first scene he's in - a scene, incidentally, that's somehow the best scene in the movie without ever making anything coming after it seem like a downer. Spider-man's constant quips were probably one of the more poorly treated aspects of the character in the movies, but that slight has not been done here. And it's even funnier than Spidey's quips, because Parker is too much of a goodguy to mock anybody but the badguys he fights. Stark has no such qualms. You might be the only person in the world mattering to him, and he'll still treat you like your very existance is basically there to convenience him and set up the occasional joke at your own expense.
Which brings me to Gwyneth Paltrow, who surprised me a lot in this movie by being very memorable in her portrayal of Mr. Stark's personal assistant Pepper. I've never disliked her in anything, but I also cannot remember every really noticing her that much. Here, she has a presence on screen that sticks with you, and while nothing bad is to be said about the other major cast members, she is probably the only one who manages to have a scene with Downey Jr. without his stealing it completely away.
All in all, a highly funny and vastly entertaining movie that, ironically, just feels like a set-up to something bigger once it is done. The sequel(s! please?) cannot come soon enough.
A weak 9,5/10
(The only problem is that after this, Dark Knight is kind of forced to look worse, isn't it...)
But this... this buggers those "decent attempts" up the arse, if you'll pardon my French, wipes the floor with Spider-man and gives even Spidey 2 and
Because of THIS is the result when Marvel decides to finance their own movies, then I need to look into getting some kind of moviegoing discount card.
Iron Man is the kind of movie that had me go home feeling guilty that I hadn't gotten a premiere ticket to see it. It had Robert Downey Jr. in the main part, and I knew from the second I heard that that I was in store for something good. Now, I'm one of those losers who only really know the man from his relatively short run at Ally McBeal, but he made a strong and lasting impression on me there as one of the funniest and most charming characters the show had (and this was a show sporting the infamous duovirate of Cage & Fish) and I spent every episode the show had after he left hoping he'd come back on. And something in my head just clicked when I heard he was signed on as Tony Stark, instinctively I just knew he'd do a stellar job of portraying the guy who's probably my favourite Marvel character. (Yes, I have a thing for billionaire control-freak geniuses with eccentric alter egos, it's TV2's fault for airing Zorro every weekend when I grew up, let's move along?)
So, my favourite character played by an actor I felt unusually confident would do a good job - and from Jon Favreau, the guy who directed the very funny Elf and was hilarious as Foggy Nelson on Daredevil. Then came the mindblowingly awesome trailer. And suddenly, the movie was out, and people were going crazy praising it. Reviewers, people I knew, online acquaintences with very good tastes, fans of the comics and uninitiated alike. They were all jumping through hoops to tell me how much fun this movie was. It simply had to disappoint, and all that remained was hoping it only did so somewhat.
So, yeah, no, seems like someone decided they'd just skipped the hole conforming to reality-thing with this movie and in an astonishing feat of improbability worthy of Zaphod Beeblebrox, Iron Man lived up to the insane expectations and was all kinds of awesome.
Sure, the plot is rather predictable, particularily due to the very conventional and orthodox use of an overused badguy-formula without any real twists. (Though they do have some half-hearted attempts at throwing you off track) Also, the badguys of the movie are rather flat and uninteresting in their own rights.
It just doesn't matter though. This movie is solid through and through, and aside from whoever wrote the script and the fantastic dialogue, the main credit for that HAS to be given to Downey Jr.. Tony Stark is not just any ass, he's a brilliant ass, and watching this movie, you love him for it every single step of the way. You coo like a fanboy at his (often incredibly lame) jokes and chuckle merrily when he treats people like crap from the very first scene he's in - a scene, incidentally, that's somehow the best scene in the movie without ever making anything coming after it seem like a downer. Spider-man's constant quips were probably one of the more poorly treated aspects of the character in the movies, but that slight has not been done here. And it's even funnier than Spidey's quips, because Parker is too much of a goodguy to mock anybody but the badguys he fights. Stark has no such qualms. You might be the only person in the world mattering to him, and he'll still treat you like your very existance is basically there to convenience him and set up the occasional joke at your own expense.
Which brings me to Gwyneth Paltrow, who surprised me a lot in this movie by being very memorable in her portrayal of Mr. Stark's personal assistant Pepper. I've never disliked her in anything, but I also cannot remember every really noticing her that much. Here, she has a presence on screen that sticks with you, and while nothing bad is to be said about the other major cast members, she is probably the only one who manages to have a scene with Downey Jr. without his stealing it completely away.
All in all, a highly funny and vastly entertaining movie that, ironically, just feels like a set-up to something bigger once it is done. The sequel(s! please?) cannot come soon enough.
A weak 9,5/10
(The only problem is that after this, Dark Knight is kind of forced to look worse, isn't it...)
By zenya, # 5. May 2008, 22:51:59
By Loki Aesir, # 6. May 2008, 00:30:16
By Obdormio, # 6. May 2008, 06:58:47
By Loki Aesir, # 6. May 2008, 07:07:56
Plus look put for Stark in the Hulk move. Which again is an attempt to link the disparate Hero franchises into an Avengers move. Im psyched about an Iron man Sequel but after the response to Iron man thats a no-brainer. Watchmen will be out first but we really need a good Superhero Team movie now. The mediocre Four don't count.
9.5/10 eh ! thats a pretty impressive score there.
By cryonic101, # 6. May 2008, 09:32:36
Except with the grade, o' course, but if I'd been familiar with the source material and got to watch something THIS awesome made out of it, I'd probably also dope the numbers a bit artificially high. Hell, if Jon Favreau ends up making the tLoLL movie (if there ever is one...), I'll be so psyched I don't really know what I'll do. I'd be sickly OBSESSED with something like that.
Btw, seen the new Batman trailer in HD? (at least I think it's got some new material in it)
It looks fantastic, and Heath Ledger IS the Joker.
"This city needs a classic criminal, and I'm going to give it one" - the Joker
By Amrasananas, # 6. May 2008, 13:43:57
Fanboy scores when movie sucks = -20%
The next batman looks good. Ledger looks very promising. The Joker is a hard part to bring to the big screen. Jack Nicholson set a pretty high standard the last time round. I think the uncertainty about writing a convincing Joker story that hadnt been told before was the reason it wasnt the premiere.
But fingers crossed for batman to continue our 'Super Summer'.
Heck I feel sorry for the Hulk . Its going to be impossible for it to get a great review.
By cryonic101, # 6. May 2008, 14:00:57
Yeah, I saw the DK-trailer. I have to say, it wasn't too impressive, I far preferred the first one and the teaser. But then again, maybe it's just that everything kinda looks dull after seeing RDJ jackass his way through herodom. ;D
And yup, of course I stayed after the credits. Jackson as Fury is awesome (especially after Ultimates, obviously). I hope he'll get to do the part for real some day. The scene in itself wasn't all that fun or cool, but the implication of it is really fun. Also looking forward to the (I'm guessing short?) Hulk-cameo, I really hope they'll manage to make a successful Avengers-movie in continuity and sharing actors with their other movies, that'd be nifty.
I'm reading that Favreau is sceptical of the potency of the Iron Man rogue gallery, especially the Mandarin, and I'm fanboyishly thinking that if they really start tying the franchises together for "Avengers", maybe there'd be hope for Dr. Doom or someone like that in the third regular "Iron Man" or something. (Because, seriously, neither the character nor McMahon has been given their dues in the two FF-movies)
"Watchmen" I'm sceptical to, I must admit. But I suppose it could turn out alright.
By Loki Aesir, # 6. May 2008, 14:07:31
By Loki Aesir, # 6. May 2008, 14:09:39
Robert Downey Jr acting usually I don't like him
By zenya, # 6. May 2008, 21:40:09
By Loki Aesir, # 6. May 2008, 21:58:43
But its long term appeal will make it a classic - all the comic moments are priceless - 'thrusters to 10%'. 'Its a flight stabiliser, totally harmless'
Favreau is on record with having concerns about the Mandarin. However looking at the current movie - we are seeing the Mandarin in the making. So they seem already comitted. Our 'warlord' of the 'Ten Rings' organisation keeps fiddling with a heavy ostentatious ring all during the movie. The question is - do we go down the alien spaceship route, perhaps a crashed one using arc reactor technology. The dying aliens rebuild his 10 rings (having defeated all other leaders of the 10 rings)as weapons after seeing he knows of a source or arc reactor tech?
Spider man made really corny super villains look great. Im sure they can do the same for Iron man.
And yes - Doom would have been great but not in his current movie incarnation.
By cryonic101, # 7. May 2008, 09:25:04
You might have a point with Spider-man, but... honestly, I don't see GG, Venom or even Sandman as corny. Octopus, a little, but he's obviously easy to put an interesting spin on (and so they did). There is a lot of corny Spidey-villains, but they haven't (yet) used them in the movie. (Nor will they hopefully have to - I'm still missing Lizard and Kingpin, and there are other less-than-corny villains in his gallery too)
Doom's current movie incarnation is actually alright, if you ask me. He's just not given anything cool to do. I would have preferred it if they borrowed less heavily from his Ultimate self and more from the regular continuity, but on the whole, he's reasonably well depicted and portrayed. He just doesn't ever get to do anything on the Doom-level of awesome.
In total agreement on the classic comedy-moments, though I'd probably use other examples. The final line of the movie, for one, is hilariously well set up. And the entire opening scene in the "funvee". And everything involving the overly helpful fire extinguishing robot. And "render unto Caesar". And the sit-down-press conference, and the cheeseburger, and, and, and... it's like full of these little fun moments that just stick with you.
By Loki Aesir, # 7. May 2008, 15:09:08
The aliens in backstory is classic Mandarin - his origin was retconned mid 80's that the rings were control rings for a crashed alien space ship whose crew are the dragons of chinese History. I.E Fin Fang Foom and crew. The alien tech rings are cool, Fin Fang Foom is not so cool.
Kingpin was done in daredevil - and we saw the Lizard - or the man who will be the lizard as Peters professor in Spiderman3. But I do think most of spider mans villains comic book incarnation villains are corny - they are mostly stupid animal themed villains. Its a miracle they managed to translate any of them to the big screen with any sense of gravitas.
I hate the movie doom, he lacks any big screen presence and is just cheesy. The mutant armour thing they have going on there is just plain wrong - hes a cheesy colossus rip off not classic 'I AM DOOM' materiel.
The humorous dialog is absolutely class and will make the movie immortal. It will be cracking people up long after the cgi looks totally outdated. The 3 robots were hilarious. I kept expecting him to call them Hewey, lewie and dewie as a nod to Silent Running. But I wonder if one of them is slated to become Ultron. (Yes I know its Henry Pym that is supposed to create him.)
By cryonic101, # 7. May 2008, 15:36:06
And yeah, he never got to have the I AM DOOM-moments, but as I said, I personally found that to be more due to the script than to the actor or even the (admittedly bad) decision to base him off of the Ultimate Doom-version.
By Loki Aesir, # 7. May 2008, 16:06:52
By Jackstrom, # 8. May 2008, 19:51:57
By Loki Aesir, # 8. May 2008, 20:30:52
The halfth is watching the first half (the origin part) at lunch time.
All good.
By cryonic101, # 9. May 2008, 08:39:44
By Loki Aesir, # 9. May 2008, 10:52:47
By Loki Aesir, # 14. May 2008, 12:08:23
Still awesome, though. Even, it would seem, its deleted scenes. I'd recommend anyone who watched the movie to check this one out.
By Loki Aesir, # 16. August 2008, 01:17:38