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However, you and he [Caesar] are not in any way comparable! His character was an amalgamation of genius, method, memory, culture, thoroughness, intellect, and industry. His achievements in war, though disastrous for our country, were none the less mighty. After working for many years to become king and autocrat, he surmounted tremendous efforts and perils and achieved his purpose. By entertainments, public works, food-distributions, and banquets, he seduced the ignorant populace; his friends he bound to his allegiance by rewarding them, his enemies by what looked like mercy. By a mixture of intimidation and indulgence, he included in a free community the habit of servitude.

Your ambition to reign, Antony, certainly deserves to be compared with Caesar's. But in not a single other respect are you entitled to the same comparison.

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When men could not endure Caesar, will they endure you? Mark my words, this time there will be crowds competing to do the deed.



When I was a young man I defended our state: in my old age I shall not abandon it. Having scorned the swords of Cataline, I shall not be intimidated by yours. On the contrary, I would gladly offer my own body, if my death could redeem the freedom of our nation - if it could cause the long-suffering people of Rome to find final relief from its labours. For if, nearly twenty years ago, I declared in this very temple that death could not come prematurely to a man who had been consul, how much greater will be m reason to say this again now that I am old. After the honours that I have been awarded, Senators, after the deeds that I have done, death actually seems to be desirable. Two things only I pray for. One, that in dying I may leave the Roman people free - the immortal gods could grant me no greater gift. My other prayer is this: that no man's fortunes may fail to correspond with his services to our country!


- Marcus Tullius Cicero,
The Second Philippic Against Mark Antony,
translated by Michael Grant for Penguin Books.

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Comments

Georgius the Peasant 8. December 2008, 13:53

Alright, so I snuck in two. Thanks for following these, it's been fun sharing.

Erlend 8. December 2008, 13:56

Well, he managed the dying part...

Georgius the Peasant 8. December 2008, 13:59

Oh, yes. He managed that bit very well.


I find it funny that he lists all the things Caesar did for the populace as if this was something that only seduced them but they'd later regret. Fact is, the Roman populace was probably much better off with a tyrant dependent on being popular than with a clique from the aristocracy - long term as well as short term.

Kaffekatten 8. December 2008, 14:12

Was that the end of the Daily Cicero Quote? :confused:

Georgius the Peasant 8. December 2008, 14:17

Yes, as I wrote in the comment on Friday's installment, this was the last one. I could have split it up in two, as you see, but this was originally planned as only one week's worth of quoting and I ended up finding so much stuff deserving of being shared... So I figured two weeks and a day was as good a place to stop before I'm sued for posting half the translation here as any.

I'm glad you've liked/approved, though. Might try to dig up more stuff that's quotable, but I sadly have little to no time to read any more speeches, and his philosophical treatises are on the whole much less snarky. I'm reading Caesar's The conquest of Gaul in bed these days, though, but he's so damnably efficient and straightforward, that man, no funny snark there either.

Terje "Smith" 20. January 2009, 23:17

I especially liked how old Tully snuck in all that mention of his own supposedly great deeds in the final quote. Never stopped flogging Catilina, did he? :lol:

Georgius the Peasant 21. January 2009, 02:13

Oh, good lords, no. The man handed out the death-sentences to the conspirators in the temple of Concord, for goodness' sake, he was pumping this for all he could right from the get-go. Which is why I, no matter how much I loathe that mad dog Clodius, have to hand it to him; having Cicero sent in exile for the deed that he was the most proud of in his entire life is pure brilliance as spitefulness goes.

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