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Orion Parachute Failure

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So after the Shuttle retires in a few months, Lockheed Martin and NASA/JPL want to replace it with the Orion craft, which was formerly known as the Crew Exploration Vehicle (CEV). Lockheed Martin is in charge of its development and construction, and when they went to test its parachutes a week ago, the test ended in disaster.


image from space.com

Luckily, the craft they were testing was not the actual Orion craft. And this is actually a good thing. It's a good thing they're catching these bugs now and not later, when manned testing is going on. If humans had been in that module, they would have been killed or severely injured. Mistakes are made during the testing stages so that they don't happen when people's lives are at stake.

The 'chutes are one of the most important features of the landing module, should NASA ever decide to send men to Mars. Without functional parachutes, it's impossible to slow the craft enough for a safe descent. HOWEVER, it is possible to lessen the necessity for a parachute system by adding an aerobrake to the CEV that will help it descend into Martian atmo. If the end result is going to be Mars, then aerobraking as described in Zubrin's plan Mars Direct, will be advantageous.

Parachutes and aerobraking won't work on the moon, however, where there is no atmosphere to speak of. NASA wants to stick men back on the moon by 2020, and it's about damn time we went back there. It's been nearly 40 years since Eugene Carnan climbed back up the ladder into the lunar landing module, taking with him the legacy of being the last human to set foor on the moon. It's time we went back there, and this time, there are more contestants in the race. I've heard rumours that the Chinese are going to try and get someone up there, and the Russians are at it again. The ESA even has a plan, the Aurora Programme. Maybe if we're lucky, another space race will start, this time to Mars.

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Comments

Richard Keelingmusickna Friday, September 5, 2008 2:35:26 AM

yikes I am surprised that something as mission critical as a parachute system could have failed so catastrophically. Presumably there was a backup system - that must have failed too.

I will be nice to see men (and women) back on the planets and satellites again. The next ones will be Chinese.

Lorelei Lee LongLoreleiLeeLong Friday, September 5, 2008 1:38:51 PM

Well, this was one of the first tests they ran for it. The mission isn't even scheduled to be ready for human testing till 2014, so they've got a lot of leeway as far as testing and such goes. This is a massively complicated parachute system, as well. It's designed for the reentry into Earth's atmosphere, so everything has to work just right or the Orion machine will careen madly out of control like it did in the test. This is why we do tests bigsmile

Richard Keelingmusickna Friday, September 5, 2008 3:06:11 PM

It is indeed! smile

H82typ Saturday, September 6, 2008 12:06:31 AM

There are very few systems that do not have multiple redundancies built in to them, when it comes to manned spacecraft. I find it odd that the parachute system failed so badly. sherlock

Lorelei Lee LongLoreleiLeeLong Saturday, September 6, 2008 2:27:28 AM

Yea. It's a bit depressing. I think what happened was the first parachute didn't launch correctly, which in turn caused the others to fail to deploy. Maybe they need more redunancies bigsmile

H82typ Tuesday, September 9, 2008 9:34:42 PM

They have forgotten the kiss rule, apparently. whistle

Lorelei Lee LongLoreleiLeeLong Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:34:16 PM

Hmmm, evidently.

Unregistered user Friday, January 2, 2009 8:48:50 AM

johns paul writes: stability of the crew module may be totaly lost due to the failure of auxilary paracuhte. it should expect high unsymmetrical aerodynamic force acting on the crew module while descenting. this may be case high oscilation and rolling. deployment of patachute in such a worst condition is questionable.

H82typ Friday, January 2, 2009 2:58:28 PM

How could they foul up such a simple technology? Why require the crew compartment to return to Earth on land? With a water landing, you always have two stable positions- even if the main 'chutes fail, there's always the possiblity that the crew will survive a high impact water landing.
  Was this just a worst case scenario type of test?

Lorelei Lee LongLoreleiLeeLong Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:04:41 PM

I don't think it's a matter of screwing it up. The vehicle was completely automatic at the time of the test. It's possible something got messed up during ground to air communications and the parachutes failed. I'm assuming they'd have a manual override in the event the computer system didn't work. However, a manual override wouldn't have worked because there was no one in the capsule. That's just a theory though, I really don't know how all that works...

H82typ Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:51:17 PM

Perhaps I missed something in my recollection and my googling. I don't recall a main 'chute failure in any U.S. manned spaceflight.  This technology should be "old hat" by now. There was at least one (I want to say two) Russian fatality involving that type of failure.
 Apart from the unfortunate loss of the Apollo One crew, we didn't start... losing people until the space shuttle incidents, both of which could have been avoided.
  Are you familiar with the Hubble Space telescope? When it finally deployed and was live, it was discovered to have a myopic view of the universe. This was attributed to differences in specifications. NASA 'spun' it by saying the mirror was ground perfectly, but it was ground perfectly wrong.
*sorry, I do tend to get long winded...*
  Where is the person to say, "This is my mistake", or have we the proverbial 'buck passing', not my job mentality that is rampant these days.

Lorelei Lee LongLoreleiLeeLong Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:36:18 PM

Yea, I understand what you're saying. The generation of Americans in power right now seem to have an allergic reaction to anything slightly resembling responsibility. I am quite familiar with the Hubble mishap. Many of the professors in my department use the Hubble for data. Whenever it breaks there is a general cloud of Gloom that hovers in the halls. Quite frightening, actually... Luckily, it was designed to be serviced so they could fix it quickly.

Now that you mention it, I can't think of a chute failure that resulted in loss of life. Obviously in the 50s and 60s there were test failures. I know one of the problems involved the Saturn V's tendency to hop upon ignition. They solved that pogo-effect back then, but the data was lost when the schematics were destroyed. I just posted a new entry about the Jupiter Direct program, which is a new, alternate option to the Ares that a group of engineers put together.

I think one of the issues with this project is that the administrator of NASA refused to see anything wrong with his designs. He would brow-beat his scientists into announcing what he told them, which was that despite issues, the program was running smoothly. The scientists knew it was complete BS, but with the turn-over rate in the government I'm sure they didn't feel like they could speak up.

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