War
Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:05:10 AM
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Six italian soldiers have died and four others seriously wounded in Kabul, Afghanistan, when two armored vehicles have been struck by a car packed with explosives and driven by suicide attackers. There isn't any working defense against this suicide bombers who mix with the local population in crowded places.
Now the usual debate in the Parliament about war in Afghanistan as "peace mission" versus "open war", given that in the Italian Constitution, written right after WWII, there is an article that says "Italy refuses war".
starree # Friday, September 18, 2009 12:01:11 AM
Lorenzo CelsiLorenzoCelsi # Friday, September 18, 2009 6:45:12 AM
But you know, the "peace missions" were invented to work around the constitutional limitations and/or political issues in some US allies. Same goes for ideas like "smart bombs" and the "digital war" they show you on TV, like it was a videogame where nobody gets hurt.
Then there is the famous "clash of civilizations".
This is a long discussion that can be summarized in "how to deal with the muslims?". The view on this topic in Europe is different than US for many reasons. If you want my opinion, there can't be "peace" until Islam evolves getting out of the middle ages and it needs generations, if ever. Meanwhile it makes no sense speaking of "democracy" and "freedom" or "State", "religion" and "Law" in the american/european sense, they are all unknown concepts. Not "forgotten" like Germany during the Nazist regime, "unknown" like another planet. The western troops in Afghanistan are like invaders for Mars. Then if the goal of the war is to transform Afghanistan in a "State", that is pretty much impossible, unless we want the war to last for 500 years.
starree # Friday, September 18, 2009 3:51:05 PM
Lorenzo CelsiLorenzoCelsi # Friday, September 18, 2009 4:00:48 PM
starree # Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:48:19 AM
Lorenzo CelsiLorenzoCelsi # Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:13:28 AM
starree # Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:18:09 AM
Lorenzo CelsiLorenzoCelsi # Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:39:35 AM
starree # Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:57:35 AM
Lorenzo CelsiLorenzoCelsi # Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:34:04 AM
starree # Saturday, September 19, 2009 3:44:01 PM
Shaunak DeShaunak # Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:46:15 PM
Lorenzo CelsiLorenzoCelsi # Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:49:41 PM
That is the real reason of the current wars, basically they are about attracting all the fanatics to shoot at armed troops in some desert land instead of having them making terrorist attacks against unarmed civilians in Europe or USA. Looking at things in this perspective, soldiers are fighting to defend their country.
Omega JuniorOmegaJunior # Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:51:04 AM
Lorenzo CelsiLorenzoCelsi # Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:18:06 AM
The unofficial mission as "make all the fanatic muslims come to this nowhere land and fight against our best armies" is somehow a success and more time passes and more those organizations like al-quaeda are weakened by the attrition. It has been proven that all those organizations aren't effective when opposed to a modern army in fact the losses rate for the troops is the lower in history. Currently NATO is controlling Afghanistan with a ridiculous small number of troops on the field.
Problem is this war of attrition is meant to go on forever, which is difficult to even imagine for democracies. This, coupled with the fact we are always paralyzed by contradictions, makes difficult to understand what we want to achieve and how.