Firefox 3.5
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:47:17 PM
You can find the release notes over there but in short all the changes in this version are for geeks so if you aren't a geek, Firefox 3.5 will look exactly the same as Firefox 3. So why should you update? Because of the many bugs that have been fixed and some performance improvements.
A side note about "privacy". All the browsers today offer the "privacy mode" feature. Beware that it only means the browser will not cache visited pages on your disk, the cookies and so on. But it will still give away your IP address and your HTTP referrer data to all the sites you visit and of course everything you do on the Internet can be logged along the way, for example by your local network administrator or your ISP. So "privacy" here only means your wife can't probably see the sites you have visited but you aren't invisible to others and you are still being tracked as before.
Another thing that I don't get well is all this hype about "performance/speed", that in short means fester JS execution. But this leads to the question about all these people who want to reinvent the Web.








Mizz MartínezMizzMartinez # Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:01:06 PM
Lorenzo CelsiLorenzoCelsi # Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:04:35 PM
Shaunak DeShaunak # Wednesday, July 1, 2009 2:38:45 AM
Guess I need to update.
serious # Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:09:39 PM
starree # Thursday, July 2, 2009 3:18:14 AM
Omega JuniorOmegaJunior # Thursday, July 2, 2009 6:56:16 PM
Cool stuff.
Both browsers can browse the web. Both have password, history, cookie, and cache management. Both can import stuff from other browsers. Both have a tabbed interface. Both can be extended by third parties. Both can run plug-ins. Both can override crap by web authors.
However.
Opera has a built-in mail, news, chat, and rss client. Firefox does not read RSS 2.0. Firefox does not do mail, news, nor chat. You need to install an extension (or worse, a different application) for that.
Opera has a built-in javascript and style debugger. So does Webkit. Firefox doesn't. You need to install an extension.
Opera has a built-in GUI to adjust keyboard shortcuts, toolbar commands, and mouse gestures. Firefox doesn't. You either need to code by hand, or install an extension.
Opera has a built-in content blocker. Firefox doesn't. You have to install an extension.
And Opera still loads up faster than Firefox.
I think I'll stick with Opera.
starree # Thursday, July 2, 2009 7:48:08 PM
Lorenzo CelsiLorenzoCelsi # Friday, July 3, 2009 5:58:14 AM
Personally, besides the fact that FF is open source, I like more the extensions because it means I don't have to wait the core developers to decide about adding a feature but anybody from the "community" can "extend" the browser.
You see ADBlock and Firebug came earlier than "block content" and "dragonfly" on Opera and being developed separately, they are more sophisticated, like pretty much any other extension. Plus, I don't need to load the full set of extensions, can have multiple profiles that each load a different set of tools, like "common browsing", "development", etc.
I don't see the point in having "JS debugging" built in when 99% people who use the browser don't even know what it means.
I see at this topic from the opposite direction. Opera does not have the option of extensions so it is FORCED to add built-in features to stay competitive with FF, while FF just have to care about the general framework and then let the "community" create all the needed add-ons.
Same goes for Chrome, for example.
The mail client... FF originates from a split off of the all-in-one Mozilla browser and it was decided at the beginning to strip off the browser all the unneeded features. But, among all the Mozilla/Gecko derivatives the all-in-one browser still exists and its name is Seamonkey.
Again, what is the point in having a built in mail client when few people is going to use it anyway?
For common people who don't care much of technicalities Opera is good like any other browser. There must be a reason why Opera's market share is so low but I am not a marketing expert.
Omega JuniorOmegaJunior # Friday, July 3, 2009 8:09:57 AM
And yes, it may be a matter of philosophy. Who do I trust more, a bunch of programmers whose livelyhood depends on well-built functionality (Opera), or a bunch of programmers who don't (Open Source extensions)? I don't install Widgets for the same reason I distrust Extensions, vendor toolbars, and other add-ons.
Therefore, Opera suits me. For now. We'll see about the future.
Lorenzo CelsiLorenzoCelsi # Friday, July 3, 2009 11:23:29 AM
FF extensions are actually a nightmare of poor coding, bugs and exploits. But I guess that is somehow inevitable if you want to open your software to "community" contribution. It is impossible to review the code of hundred or thousand extensions, despite they are published over AMO. You give extensions the power of adding real features to the browser, then they can do pretty much anything once installed. So while FF itself is relatively safe because the core crew spends lots of time in bug fixing and security updates, you cannot tell about FF with some extension installed. Same goes for performance, FF has got a nice memory collection feature but then a single extension can eat your RAM or slow down everything.
But I guess the same "open" mechanism that provides poor code can be self-regulating in some extent, because when an extension is bugged there are chances somebody else notice that and reports to the author and even provides patches or better code.
From a different perspective, being "open" FF was able to attract and involve an huge community of users and programmers, who are both useful for code contributing, design, bug reporting, testing, extensions AND as evangelist, promoting FF everywhere they can (family, friends, school, workplace, etc). I can like Opera but I will always be just an user, so I am not personally motivated in advocating Opera over other browsers.