Java dead?
Thursday, 12. March 2009, 07:35:57
Since about 10 years ago I've always been installing Java RE on my computer as part of the default software package. Some months ago, when I was notified of an update, I decided to uninstall it to see if it would have affect me in any way. The result is it seems I don't need Java, like it does not exist.
In the past you could find Java applets in many Web sites and some Java software on your desktop. Today almost any thing that was made with the applets is done via Flash technology and there are very few Java desktop software that is worth it to use, plus they usually have got "native" alternatives. I guess Java is still used on the server side and for the corporate/legacy software and probably is the only choice if you want something like .Net over Linux and alike.
I am considering to uninstall Flash. That would be harder for sure but I think I could survive.
My idea is whatever needs a plugin or an activex control is bad.
In the past you could find Java applets in many Web sites and some Java software on your desktop. Today almost any thing that was made with the applets is done via Flash technology and there are very few Java desktop software that is worth it to use, plus they usually have got "native" alternatives. I guess Java is still used on the server side and for the corporate/legacy software and probably is the only choice if you want something like .Net over Linux and alike.
I am considering to uninstall Flash. That would be harder for sure but I think I could survive.
My idea is whatever needs a plugin or an activex control is bad.
WIDGETIZE
Aux # 12. March 2009, 11:24
Emanuele # 12. March 2009, 11:54
effectively today Java is not a piece of software really needed in the common internet experience... all the task it covered in the past years are now perfectly managed with other simpler and better technologies (as AJAX or (X)HTML too)
Really I can't imagine something that absolutely needs Java in a normal web site or application except Antivirus web-applications (surely much better than ActiveX)
Obviously we're considering only the client-side
Shaunak De # 12. March 2009, 12:15
Otherwise for desktop use, especially internet scipting use, it is sadly obsolete (So is my knowledge
Killed by Php and Python....
Emanuele # 12. March 2009, 12:37
Well... really I don't agree with this... PHP is a server side language, and in that world Java is still alive and many developers can't live without it.
Besides client-side technology killed it
Lorenzo Celsi # 12. March 2009, 12:47
serious # 12. March 2009, 16:14
PS: other example: NetLogo (multi agent simulator) runs on a bundled vm in windows, other platforms are served through a jar-package, which is a really nice solution imo.
K C N Martínez # 12. March 2009, 18:15
Lorenzo Celsi # 12. March 2009, 18:17
K C N Martínez # 12. March 2009, 18:31
Anne # 14. March 2009, 19:57
SummerAngel # 15. March 2009, 15:58
Do you know if Yahoo mail is dependent on Java?
Lorenzo Celsi # 15. March 2009, 16:07
SummerAngel # 15. March 2009, 16:16
Lorenzo Celsi # 15. March 2009, 16:26
SummerAngel # 15. March 2009, 17:21
Lorenzo Celsi # 15. March 2009, 17:27
Programmers have the bad habit to save their time by not caring much of what happens during the install and then what they left back after a removal. It is one of the reasons why Windows systems get worse with time.
SummerAngel # 15. March 2009, 18:55
Lorenzo Celsi # 15. March 2009, 19:07
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/154850
On a side note: I don't think removing the JavaRE can speeds up your computer. But for sure uninstalling unneeded stuff does not make it slower either. Of course the things that make the visible difference are those software and/or services that are loaded upon start up.
SummerAngel # 15. March 2009, 19:22
Shaunak De # 18. March 2009, 01:22
Hence on uninstall, users notice an apparent speed improvement.
Java was and still remains to be a brilliant concept. The first major language to support native threading, objects, "Code Streaming(Applets)". One of the most brilliant concepts is the "Byte code", or partially compiled code, which allowed a interpreted language to achieve breakneck speeds.
The concepts related to Java are fundamental to mordern Computer Science, hence it is still taught.
Today however, developers are cheap. No one cares if code is platform independent. Its cheaper to have it rewritten for the target system.
=== Old Joke ====
Task: Shoot yourself in the foot.
+++++++[C]++++++++
include <gun.h>
void main(){
shoot(foot);
}
++++++[JAVA]+++++++++
import java.Gun.Bullet;
import java.Gun.Pistol;
class ShootMe{
public static void main (String arg[])
{
Bullet b = new Bullet();
Pistol p = new Pistol();
try{
p.load(b);
p.aim("foot");
p.shoot(1);
}
catch (Exception e){
if(e == GunNotFound){p.lookForGun();}
}}}
Lorenzo Celsi # 18. March 2009, 07:08
What I see as simple desktop user is I don't need the JavaRE because nothing made in Java comes to my way any more.
I guess there is still lots of Java software on the servers, in the corporate environment.
To give you an example, on my Linux desktop I've got a couple of "Mono/.Net" applications (which is a little out of place) but NONE in Java.
I would not say developers are cheap. They are the most expensive thing in the IT business (of course excluding managers and sales
Shaunak De # 19. March 2009, 00:06
anamorphose # 19. March 2009, 15:40
J'ai désinstallé Flash Player sur un disque de mon Apple PowerMac à processeur PowerPC, le second est encore en fonction en cas de besoin urgent. Je suis plus calme, je ne vois pas les publicités animées et je ne suis pas tenté de perdre du temps à regarder des vidéos de dailymotion ou d'autres site web.