St George's Cross
Monday, 10. December 2007, 20:30:20
You may think this is the flag of England.
Actually the story is a little different.
At the beginning it was the flag of the ancient Republic of Genoa and its navy. It is said the cross was originally used by the byzantine troops stationed in Genoa. In 1190 the King of England asked the permission to expose the same flag on the english ships in oder to get the protection of the genoan fleet against the pirates in the mediterranean sea, paying an annual tribute to the Republic. Following this agreement the flag became the symbol of London, England and the royal navy.
The same flag was officially given in year 1066 by the Pope Alexander II to the city of Milan that was rebelling against the emperor (see Lombard League).
It was used by the Lombards who got part to the first crusades and it was widely used by all the crusaders as part of the common uniform. St. George was considered the protector of the crusaders, following a legend of the saint appearing before the battle of Antiochia wearing an armor with the red cross. This legend of course resambles the famous vision "in hoc signo vinces" (you will win with this symbol) of the roman emperor Costantinus and the following adoption of the cross by the roman armies. It is also said that St. George actually is the christianized version of ancient German and/or celtic warrior gods.

In case somebody asks why the Internazionale Football Club, one of the team of the city of Milan, uses this shirt when they play outside the city. Recently the team played against the Fenerbace from Turkey and won. Now it seems some people in Turkey got offended by the shirt because they say it is anti-islamic and are asking the UEFA commettee to give victory to Fenerbace as punishment.
Who is the football player wearing the shirt? He looks gooooooooooood!
By MizzMartinez, # 10. December 2007, 20:33:19
http://inter.it/aas/squadra/player1?codgioc=G0816&L=en&stagione=2007/08
Girls...
By LorenzoCelsi, # 10. December 2007, 21:00:03
By MizzMartinez, # 10. December 2007, 21:17:48
By LorenzoCelsi, # 10. December 2007, 21:27:27
By MizzMartinez, # 10. December 2007, 21:33:55
On a side note, what's wrong with being from Chile? In the Inter team most players aren't italian. I guess there are only 2 oe 3.
By LorenzoCelsi, # 11. December 2007, 07:39:23
I spent some of my summer vacation a few clicks south of Genoa/Genova this summer. But can't remember seeing that flag anywhere when I drove through there. Then again you don't see much else than cars when you just drive through a big city.
On the football topic. Turkey is starting to get some reputation. First they are kicking Swiss football players over the sideline after the match, and now this? Can't they just play football for once?
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By NoteMe, # 11. December 2007, 08:12:04
In the north and center of Italy there was also an age of rich indipendent cities/states, 4 of which were sea powers in the mediterranean, the strongest were Genoa in the west coast and Venice in the east coast. Milano was more an agricultural and trading center, having Genoa as sea hub and ally (see the common flag) and mostly at war with Venice.
Upon the unification of Italy it was decided to pick up the tuscanian dialect as national language and to insist on the roman age as common root, while big efforts were made to make people forget the local languages and traditions, starting from schools and other public services. That, together with the migrations of people from the south to the north, explains why today you have got difficulties in seeing the ancient local flags and to find somebody who can speak the local language. It is more or less the same of Britain versus England, Scotland, Whales and Ireland.
About Turkey, I can't tell my real thoughts because of the european and italian law.
Italy around 1000:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Italia_1000_v2.svg
Italy around 1500:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Italia_1494.svg
Italy around 1800:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Italy_c_1810.png
By LorenzoCelsi, # 11. December 2007, 08:38:57
Chile and Bolivia...war in the 18th century...not very attractive to like a Chilean. Yes, I noticed you had only three player from Italy and one from Sweden! Ibrahimovic!
By MizzMartinez, # 11. December 2007, 15:06:42
@MizzMartinez He certenly looks better on this picture. Footballplayers are no photomodels, so most of these personal pictures are not good looking (accept maybe David Backham)
By Findar, # 11. December 2007, 21:14:59
By MizzMartinez, # 11. December 2007, 22:35:28
Sounds like those down south Italy is still strugling with that language part. I don't understand a word when they speak
But Italy is still divided into "cantones" (or what ever you call them) right? Doesn't the different "parts" still use their "flag"/banner/shield.
I wish I had said that
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By NoteMe, # 11. December 2007, 23:21:48
The main difficulty in south Italy is that area did not have a strong and long experience with indipendent states but was almost always under foreign occupation. As result people there did not develop the sense of belonging to a wider community like any "state" and instead is focused on the idea of "clan-family". While traditionally in the north-center people were used to working together for the success of their own "state", in the south the government was (and in some extent still is) an occupying enemy to oppose or work around.
About understanding, I guess you are more used to northern-italians.
By LorenzoCelsi, # 12. December 2007, 09:04:19
In Norway we devide our country first in regions called "fylker", and then again in smaller regions called "kommuner". And they both still very much keep their "shields" ie:
[img]http://coreweb.nhosp.no/sbl.no/html/wimages/baerum.jpg
You would never find them on our shirt in any sport though.
Very much might be, but in the north the letters are pronounced very much like Bokmål (one of the Norwegian langauges, and the one I speak daily). So I think the fact that it sounds like expected helps quite a bit aswell.
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By NoteMe, # 12. December 2007, 09:27:21
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By NoteMe, # 14. December 2007, 12:12:00
By LorenzoCelsi, # 14. December 2007, 12:45:17
So you will be up to date on Norwegian news from now on
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By NoteMe, # 14. December 2007, 12:47:29
Actually the current filter I use hasn't changed much lately, the previous update was 1 month ago. It uses mostly generic kyes so it can stops most ads regardless the site. But of course the keys are mostly english and italian so I had to add some lines to get the norwegian adservers. My concern is false positives and I would have liked more feedback.
I would appreciate if you could test the filter
By LorenzoCelsi, # 14. December 2007, 12:54:43
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By NoteMe, # 14. December 2007, 13:00:48
Maybe you are confusing the other CSS/JS block tricks (mostly used with older Opera versions) that hide html elements.
Could you please empty your cache and test the filter you can find on top of my blog page?
By LorenzoCelsi, # 14. December 2007, 13:09:23
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By NoteMe, # 14. December 2007, 15:39:36