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St George's Cross


You may think this is the flag of England.
Actually the story is a little different.

At the beginning it was the flag of the ancient Republic of Genoa and its navy. It is said the cross was originally used by the byzantine troops stationed in Genoa. In 1190 the King of England asked the permission to expose the same flag on the english ships in oder to get the protection of the genoan fleet against the pirates in the mediterranean sea, paying an annual tribute to the Republic. Following this agreement the flag became the symbol of London, England and the royal navy.
The same flag was officially given in year 1066 by the Pope Alexander II to the city of Milan that was rebelling against the emperor (see Lombard League).
It was used by the Lombards who got part to the first crusades and it was widely used by all the crusaders as part of the common uniform. St. George was considered the protector of the crusaders, following a legend of the saint appearing before the battle of Antiochia wearing an armor with the red cross. This legend of course resambles the famous vision "in hoc signo vinces" (you will win with this symbol) of the roman emperor Costantinus and the following adoption of the cross by the roman armies. It is also said that St. George actually is the christianized version of ancient German and/or celtic warrior gods.

In case somebody asks why the Internazionale Football Club, one of the team of the city of Milan, uses this shirt when they play outside the city. Recently the team played against the Fenerbace from Turkey and won. Now it seems some people in Turkey got offended by the shirt because they say it is anti-islamic and are asking the UEFA commettee to give victory to Fenerbace as punishment.

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Can't see the flag above the text! :right:

Who is the football player wearing the shirt? He looks gooooooooooood! :D Oh, and his tattoos too! :wink:

By MizzMartinez, # 10. December 2007, 20:33:19

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By LorenzoCelsi, # 10. December 2007, 21:00:03

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Oki, he wasn't that good-looking AND he was from Chile! :down: i thought he was 'un italiano' :rolleyes:

By MizzMartinez, # 10. December 2007, 21:17:48

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Then you don't want me to call you silly

By LorenzoCelsi, # 10. December 2007, 21:27:27

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what have i done now?

By MizzMartinez, # 10. December 2007, 21:33:55

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Besides the fact that in the whole post you noticed only the guy with tattoos?
On a side note, what's wrong with being from Chile? In the Inter team most players aren't italian. I guess there are only 2 oe 3.

By LorenzoCelsi, # 11. December 2007, 07:39:23

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That was a whole lot of stuff I had no clue about. I thought that flag was as English as it could get. Well that’s how wrong I can be.

I spent some of my summer vacation a few clicks south of Genoa/Genova this summer. But can't remember seeing that flag anywhere when I drove through there. Then again you don't see much else than cars when you just drive through a big city.

On the football topic. Turkey is starting to get some reputation. First they are kicking Swiss football players over the sideline after the match, and now this? Can't they just play football for once?


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By NoteMe, # 11. December 2007, 08:12:04

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Yes, the problem is, despite having common roots in the roman age, Italy was unified very lately as Nation compared to other european countries and the real unification happened only with the first world war, when soldiers from all over the country met together for the first time. Before the unification Italy was divided in different "areas" that had been indipendent at times or occupied by some foreigner. Different languages were spoken and there were different "cultures". Mostly you can divide Italy in 3 main "areas", the north with celtic - latin - german roots, the center mostly latin and with the strongest influence of the Church, the south with greek - roman - arab roots. Besides the many migrations of people that arrived in Italy in different ages, it is obvious the north of italy had stronger trade routes and cultural exchanges with France and Austria/Germany, while the south had stronger connection with the mediterranean.
In the north and center of Italy there was also an age of rich indipendent cities/states, 4 of which were sea powers in the mediterranean, the strongest were Genoa in the west coast and Venice in the east coast. Milano was more an agricultural and trading center, having Genoa as sea hub and ally (see the common flag) and mostly at war with Venice.
Upon the unification of Italy it was decided to pick up the tuscanian dialect as national language and to insist on the roman age as common root, while big efforts were made to make people forget the local languages and traditions, starting from schools and other public services. That, together with the migrations of people from the south to the north, explains why today you have got difficulties in seeing the ancient local flags and to find somebody who can speak the local language. It is more or less the same of Britain versus England, Scotland, Whales and Ireland.

About Turkey, I can't tell my real thoughts because of the european and italian law.

Italy around 1000:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Italia_1000_v2.svg

Italy around 1500:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Italia_1494.svg

Italy around 1800:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Italy_c_1810.png

By LorenzoCelsi, # 11. December 2007, 08:38:57

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I didn't notice the guy with tattoos. I thought it was quite interesting reading about the flag that usually is misinterpreted. However, that Jimenez saw ok...and I just wanted to make you mad by mentioning his tattoos. p:

Chile and Bolivia...war in the 18th century...not very attractive to like a Chilean. Yes, I noticed you had only three player from Italy and one from Sweden! Ibrahimovic! :headbang:

By MizzMartinez, # 11. December 2007, 15:06:42

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Realy bad things happened during the crusade periodes. But arguing about a t-shirt that reminds you of an era you don't even know, just because you lost a football game, is silly.

@MizzMartinez He certenly looks better on this picture. Footballplayers are no photomodels, so most of these personal pictures are not good looking (accept maybe David Backham)

By Findar, # 11. December 2007, 21:14:59

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Findar: Yes, David Beckham and Kaká! :wink:

By MizzMartinez, # 11. December 2007, 22:35:28

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...upon the unification of Italy it was decided to pick up the tuscanian dialect as national language...


Sounds like those down south Italy is still strugling with that language part. I don't understand a word when they speak p:

That, together with the migrations of people from the south to the north, explains why today you have got difficulties in seeing the ancient local flags and to find somebody who can speak the local language.


But Italy is still divided into "cantones" (or what ever you call them) right? Doesn't the different "parts" still use their "flag"/banner/shield.

About Turkey, I can't tell my real thoughts because of the european and italian law.


I wish I had said that p:


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By NoteMe, # 11. December 2007, 23:21:48

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Italy is divided in "regioni" and yes, each has got is own "symbol" but often those things were made with the idea to overwrite the real local autonomies instead of keep them. When Italy wasn't under foreign control the indipendent states/republics usually were made like the ancient greek "polis", meaning the main city-state and its surroundings. So italians usually are much more connected to their own city than to the "region".

The main difficulty in south Italy is that area did not have a strong and long experience with indipendent states but was almost always under foreign occupation. As result people there did not develop the sense of belonging to a wider community like any "state" and instead is focused on the idea of "clan-family". While traditionally in the north-center people were used to working together for the success of their own "state", in the south the government was (and in some extent still is) an occupying enemy to oppose or work around.

About understanding, I guess you are more used to northern-italians.

By LorenzoCelsi, # 12. December 2007, 09:04:19

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Italy is divided in "regioni" and yes, each has got is own "symbol" but often those things were made with the idea to overwrite the real local autonomies instead of keep them.


In Norway we devide our country first in regions called "fylker", and then again in smaller regions called "kommuner". And they both still very much keep their "shields" ie:

[img]http://coreweb.nhosp.no/sbl.no/html/wimages/baerum.jpg

You would never find them on our shirt in any sport though.


About understanding, I guess you are more used to northern-italians.


Very much might be, but in the north the letters are pronounced very much like Bokmål (one of the Norwegian langauges, and the one I speak daily). So I think the fact that it sounds like expected helps quite a bit aswell.


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By NoteMe, # 12. December 2007, 09:27:21

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Now it has made it to the Norwegian news papers aswell. "Turkey takes "Inter-suit" to court".


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By NoteMe, # 14. December 2007, 12:12:00

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Meanwhile I've added the ads from that site to my block content filter :smile:

By LorenzoCelsi, # 14. December 2007, 12:45:17

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I don't have Flash installed on my computer, so don't notice most of them. And I install new weeklies more often than I care to update the content filter, so I have given up on keeping it up to date aswell. The feature was broken a couple of weeks ago aswell.

So you will be up to date on Norwegian news from now on p:
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By NoteMe, # 14. December 2007, 12:47:29

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I don't use the alphas/betas (both Opera and Firefox) besides some test run from time to time.
Actually the current filter I use hasn't changed much lately, the previous update was 1 month ago. It uses mostly generic kyes so it can stops most ads regardless the site. But of course the keys are mostly english and italian so I had to add some lines to get the norwegian adservers. My concern is false positives and I would have liked more feedback.

I would appreciate if you could test the filter :smile:

By LorenzoCelsi, # 14. December 2007, 12:54:43

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Yeah, I concur. Usualy when I block content, it is not because I just hate ads, but because they are big, disturbing, and stalls downloading/rendering of the page. But the Opera content blocker just hides the ads. It doesn't really ignore them all togheter. It would be nice if it actually ignored the http requests to those servers, and did not download the content at all, instead of downloading and then not draw them.


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By NoteMe, # 14. December 2007, 13:00:48

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I guess the block content do blocks objects before they are loaded. I've just checked the cache and it doens't contain any blocked thing.

Maybe you are confusing the other CSS/JS block tricks (mostly used with older Opera versions) that hide html elements.

Could you please empty your cache and test the filter you can find on top of my blog page?

By LorenzoCelsi, # 14. December 2007, 13:09:23

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Hmm, now you make me unsure. Maybe I mix up, or maybe it was a weekly bug, or maybe it has changed since the initial version of content blocker. I will at least test it when I get back home tonight.


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By NoteMe, # 14. December 2007, 15:39:36

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