Democracy won – Chávez a good leader - Mizz Martínez

Democracy won – Chávez a good leader

Tuesday, 4. December 2007, 13:16:15

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You can’t have missed the latest referendum in Venezuela…and therefore I’ve thought of giving the correct view of the situation in Venezuela. Yes, I might not be living over there…but I can watch at the situation with other eyes than the conservatives who live in Venezuela at the moment.

Hugo Chávez proposed 33 changes to the parliament of the people before the referendum. The people worked out the proposal and all in all they were 69 propositions that the referendum was about. Two of them were the most discussed. One was about having 6 hours of work per day, instead of the current 8 hours. The other one, that was most discussed was the proposal that Hugo Chávez would be able to be president as long as the people elected him. In no way is this a dictatorial proposal as some of you may think. Now, if it would be..then Sweden would be a country run under dictatorship too. We’ve had the same prime-minister during 20 years…was that seen as dictatorial? No!

Chávez and the people of Venezuela had many good proposals as I’ve already mentioned. To distribute the power down to the people is one of the greatest proposals since people can organize themselves and do the changes they need and want.

Another proposal was a prohibition against discrimination of HBT(Heterosexual, Bisexual and Transvestits)-people.

To lower the discrimination and try to make the people, specially in countries where the Catholic belief is well spread is one of the best steps towards a better world. One more proposal? To lower the right to vote from 18 years to 16.

Yes, Chávez lost the referendum but is he bad for Venezuela?

he isn’t! When Chávez, 1998 won the elections for the first time he won with 59% of the votes in his favour and the participation of the Venezuelans was VERY low. 1999 when the first referendum took place 42% of the Venezuelans voted in the elections and out of them 72% in favour of Chávez proposals. Since then the participation of the people has increased, which is a good step to complete democracy, something that hasn’t been seen before. Even thought the referendum was lost last Sunday, Chávez has had 11 (ELEVEN) referendum. And he lost only once…for two days ago. Let's imagine that Chávez would have won the referendum with the same amount of votes as the oposition...he would definitely have been accused of fraud!

How about the opposition? Have they ever accepted themselves defeated? No! Have they ever tried to cooperate with the government? Almost never, only once.

/// Mizz Martínez

My little boy is turning 5 today!Muñeco's Bday Celebration

Comments

Good post

Hugo Chávez would be able to be president as long as the people elected him. In no way is this a dictatorial proposal as some of you may think.

Do you actually know that in ALL of the south/center american countries election fraud/corruption is a know fact, do you?

Look at Argentina for example, a Nazi sypmatizer won the election, who is the wife to another Nazi sympatizer, would you think people chose her?

By dannii, # 4. December 2007, 15:13:10

Dannii, I seriously didn't know about The Kirchners! And well...I had the idea of the well spread corruption in South AND Center America but I wasn't sure...I definitely know about Bolivia...

How is it going with the Kirchners? Is it all bad? I really don't know much about Argentina..would you mind enlighting me a litlle bit?

By MizzMartinez, # 4. December 2007, 15:18:20

Also, I would like to quote part of Reynaldo Arena's biography, a cuban writer who lived during Castro's Cuba:

His writings and openly gay lifestyle were, by 1967, bringing him into conflict with the Communist government.

I don't think that being gay should be a reason to send people to jail.

In 1973, he was sent to prison after being charged and convicted of 'ideological deviation' and for publishing abroad without official consent.

That is called censorship. Why would a writer need consent to exercise the freedom of speech?

He escaped from prison and tried to leave Cuba by launching himself from the shore on a tire inner tube. The attempt failed and he was rearrested near Lenin Park and imprisoned at the notorious El Morro Castle alongside murderers and rapists.

A gay writer imprisoned with murderers and rapists??

I think someone wanted him to get raped... I wonder who?

He survived by helping the inmates to write letters to wives and lovers. He was able to collect enough paper this way to continue his writing. However, his attempts to smuggle his work out of prison were discovered and he was severely punished.

Well, even prison mates talked very good about him. How come a good person goes to jail for... Writing?!?!

Threatened with death, he was forced to renounce his work and was released in 1976. In 1980, as part of the Mariel Boatlift, he fled to the United States.

Well, then people ask me why do I say "God Bless America".

I read his biography many times, and he said "In Cuba, the government would stick a finger up your ass, and you had to keep quiet, otherwise they would torture you and then kill you. Here in America, the government still sticks a finger up your ass, but at least I have a right to complain"

By dannii, # 4. December 2007, 15:22:14

If you wanna know more about the Kirchners go to http://my.opera.com/dannii/blog/2007/10/30/cristina-kirchner-is-argentinas-president-say-heil-hitler

By dannii, # 4. December 2007, 15:24:30

Thanks!

By MizzMartinez, # 4. December 2007, 15:26:21

I just read your entry..about the Cuban gay writer (Reynaldo Arena)...I don't know much about Cuba...but I really don't believe that freedom of speech exists in USA. G.e. if it would exist, wouldn't we be hearing more about communists over there? Shouldn't it be a little bit more justice in USA than in the rest of the world!? Burocracy is well spread in every corner...but I thing that most shit under the pillows will be found in the country of opportunities...in USA!

But this thing about Cuba, I really don't know what to say!

By MizzMartinez, # 4. December 2007, 15:31:04

Ask any american what do they think about communism. I admit they have been "brainwashed" in order to dislike it. The cold war, communism is their enemy. I don't think that freedom of speech is being stepped on with that issue, However, you can't compare Castro's government to the US.

By dannii, # 4. December 2007, 15:49:13

I'm not comparing...I really don't want to comment Castro's government since I don't know much about that island.

By MizzMartinez, # 4. December 2007, 17:31:35

Oh ok, I was just making my point that I am so faithful to my small yet strong political views. I don't support simpatizers. My president has really good left wing ideas, but if he uses the name of a Nazi simpatizer to promote his ideas I

Sometimes we all have to think really how much commited are we to the true wealth. I think we all have to know who we are making business with.

After all, a coup d'état is an attempt to change a government by the threat or use of force

Not much democracy in that.

By dannii, # 4. December 2007, 18:21:07

After all, a coup d'état is an attempt to change a government by the threat or use of force Not much democracy in that.

Nope, not much democracy at all...I'm sorry if my comments are short..but I mostly agree with you and therefore there's not much for me to write either!

Keep up the good democratic spirit Dannii!

By MizzMartinez, # 4. December 2007, 19:53:53

Of course my dear friend! I'm a socialist democrat!

But I was actually taking a blow at Chávez

By dannii, # 4. December 2007, 19:57:35

Oh gosh! I like the man! He put many evilishly (is that even a word?) bueno, re-estatizó muchas companies que lol, se me mezcla todo,

many companies back to the state. He did good things for the people, I know that. But there are some things I don't share.

After all, there's always we don't like/share about someone.

Except you, of course, I like you until the end of time

No, seriously, I really like you A LOT

Man, I'm blushing now

Gosh.

Don't look at me, I'm all red

By dannii, # 4. December 2007, 20:08:01

I read a little bit too fast!

Use of force done by Chávez...threat? I don't know...what exactly are you implying on?

By MizzMartinez, # 4. December 2007, 20:24:35

He attempted a coup d'état before

By dannii, # 4. December 2007, 21:09:17

He did, yes..1992! why?

Let's look at the Venezuelan history. In 1989 IMF the economical politics put millions of Venezuelans in extreme poverty. This resulted in "El Caracazón", a revolt against the government, which took place the 27th of february the same year. What happened with the protestants? They were shut quiet with violence. Organizations around the world state that around 3000 people were killed by the power of the government.

In 1992 a group of military, with H.C. as the leader, tried to remove the current government from office with a coup d'etat against Carlos Andrés Perez (the president of Venezuela) was seen as the responsible of the maracre of 1989.

A women in USA, wife of a wealthy businessman said in 1992:

In the last 20 to 30 years, the private leadership of the country fell in love with the ease of accumulating wealth…We have neglected our society’s institutions and let them get corrupt. I know I sound like Chavez, but his arguments about what is wrong with our country are the same as mine. His solutions are back to the Stone Age…But his diagnosis is correct.

Are the causes to the try of the coup d'état in 1992 completely wrong then?

Well well..I don't like everything H.C. does either Dannii...but for the most part he is THE MAN! And exactly as you say...there are always things (even though they may be tiny) that you don't like about a person.

Danniiiii...you are such a wonderful person

I like you loads too!

(but you know this already right?

)

*I'm looking at you...nooooo...I'm actually STARING at you!

By MizzMartinez, # 4. December 2007, 22:41:46

You are damn sweet

By dannii, # 4. December 2007, 23:59:09

I'm so glad the democrazy won

but it was very close...

By deadcantdance, # 5. December 2007, 06:46:40

Dannii, of course I am...just like you!

Chris...yes, it was sooooo close:awww:

By MizzMartinez, # 5. December 2007, 08:49:52

Please forgive my cynism but I really don't buy the idea that somebody becomes president of anything being a good guy.

By LorenzoCelsi, # 5. December 2007, 09:02:35

polemic

By deadcantdance, # 5. December 2007, 09:05:00

I accept your opinion Lorenzo! But please tell me, who is a good guy in this world? Is anybody free from sins?

By MizzMartinez, # 5. December 2007, 09:08:24

Anonymous writes:

Miss, I worked for the government and I can say it, it is all a FAKE. I won't say who I am because of personal reasons. If you only knew all the things that happen in Venezuela, I've assisted to Chávez' meetings and I was shocked when he struck a journalism, these are things that I see everyday. Now, I've been fired. I just want you to take note of what I am saying. Yes, he has done good things, but now we're under "Red Alert". My wife is working at the CNE (Consejo Nacional Electoral - National Electoral Department), she told me that they knew 80% of the referendum results at 08:00 p.m. and they were going to anounce the First Bulletin, but then the problems caught them. The president talked with the principals and even discussed with them, he was shouting at the room, he was angry. He forced them to count more votes, but the results were the same. He lost. Now he is angry with the CNE, he said that they will change their position-work so soon. My wife is not a principal, she's only a secretary, but she was there.

Hopefully you will open your eyes, if not, I understand your point, you haven't saw these things and you don't have to believe it, just take it for your anecdotes.

By anonymous user, # 5. December 2007, 09:15:37

Since I am not a beliver I don't understand the idea of "sin".

Everybody can belive in whatever faith, but it is important IMHO to separate faith from reality. It is ok if you belive in a paradise that is somewhere above us, it is dangerous when you start to belive in a paradise on earth because it is like those old test where you had to put shaped things inside the right hole. The triangular shape doens't fit in the round hole, unless you use an hammer.

By LorenzoCelsi, # 5. December 2007, 09:16:45

Anonymous writer: What I can't understand is why, when a government to the left is in power criticism comes from every corner but when the government is to the right you rarely hear about the bad situations that occur.

However, as I mentioned above nobody is perfect and even Chávez is a human who can do mistakes. I understand if he was angry and wanted a recount of the votes, and the same would have happened with the opposition. I'm quite sure about that! But I want to thank you for visiting my page and sharing your views of the election.

Lorenzo: I don't believe in a paradis on Earth. I believe in people who can make mistakes. I believe in leaders are as you and me, with a historical background were nobody is free from an action that could be considered as wrong. Now, if somebody has become a president of something it is because he or she had the support of many others.

By MizzMartinez, # 5. December 2007, 09:44:39

Uhm, redo again, can you tell me the difference between a leader and another?

Explanation: if you asked to a German before 1940 he/she probably would have said Hitler was the right leader for Germany, making a lot of good things for the people.

By LorenzoCelsi, # 5. December 2007, 09:48:45

Don't you think that he became the leader of the "germans" because he HAD the support of

99% of the german people

If somebody has to be blamed for the misstakes that one person (and his cabin) did it's the people who first voted in his favour.

what is necessary to become a "leader"?

Support from people that believe in the same things as you, who want to change Earth with your help. What you need is simply support.

By MizzMartinez, # 5. December 2007, 09:53:38

Sorry I edited the above comment.

Anyway I guess this:
"Support from people that believe in the same things as you, who want to change Earth with your help. What you need is simply suppor"
Is exaclty what worries me. I am scared by people who have got "beliefs" and want to "change Earth" following a "leader". The leaders that speak with God have the habit to send people like me in a trench or in a extermination camp.

By LorenzoCelsi, # 5. December 2007, 10:00:19

Buenisimo post Kerstin, muy bien plantado y explicado de forma sencilla sobre esta ultima votacion que se verifico en mi tierra natal.

La Venezuela actual esta tan llena de noticias y de opiniones que era dificil resumir todo eso en un comentario mio, la verdad no saldriamos de aqui

porque cada uno de nosotros tiene su opinion, desde que con fundamentos sea valida para hablar de ella.

Ya lei aqui en el blog diversos comentarios en otros post sobre las opiniones de mucha gente sobre lo que significa tener en Venezuela a Hugo Chavez (odiados por algunos y amado por otros). No vivo en Venezuela a ya a unos 7 años y todo lo que yo pueda decir sobre mi tierra natal y exclusivamente sobre la forma de gobernar de Chavez no sera igual a una persona que viva en Venezuela. Desde que vine a vivir a Portugal han cambiado muchas cosas en Venezuela (por nombrar algunas: la bandera, el nombre de la republica, entre otras) y hay un cambio radical en todos estos años, la gente se dividio en dos.. o Chavista o no chavista algo que llevan tan a pecho en el dia a dia...
Venezuela es cierto a mejorado en muchas cosas, como politica de exterior el Presidente Chavez a dado un impulso grande (a mi manera de ver porque vivo en el extranjero) a la economia y poner en la boca del mundo el nombre de Venezuela (sea por buenos o malos motivos) en politica interior no opino no se lo que esta pasando verdaderamente el pueblo, escucho a mis amigos y leo por internet los diversos medios de comunciacion existentes en Venezuela pero dificil tener una opinion con pruebas fundamentadas.
Nosotros los venezolanos somos un pueblo alegre, disciplinado y trabajador, con unos recursos inexgotables de flora y fauna, recursos minerales... en fin tenemos todo lo bonito que existe en el mundo... hay que trabajar por ella y tratar de que el gusto partidario o preferencia politica como quieran llamar no divida el pueblo... dividir seria el caos (tal como se verifica en estos ultimos años) espero un pueblo unido que luche por una causa comun (sea quien sea el presidente de la republica) la union del pueblo hace la fuerza de un pais y en Venezuela no es excepcion

Mi gente disculpen lo largo de mi texto (in spanish

) deveria poner en ingles tambien pero queria primero escribir lo que siento en mi idioma nativo porque me hez mas facil

a todos los que leen el blog de Kerstin quiero que sepan que respeto todos los comentarios porque todos son validos

es asi la democracia es asi el mundo libre en que vivimos y asi sera por siempre

a todos un saludo grande desde Portugal

Kerstin abrazo 512^2

kisses byee

By jcmarques, # 5. December 2007, 11:42:53

Lorenzo: I can't make you change your opinion and I respect it, but it's not good to have a negative view of the world...if that would be the proper way to think nothing would change to the better. Now, when you say:

The leaders that speak with God have the habit to send people like me in a trench or in a extermination camp.

Who are you refering to?

JC: Como ya sabes, me interesa la política de Venezuela y Bolivia.

Yo creo que hay un problema grande cuando los canales noticieron adaptan la información a su manera para que la gente cambie sus opiniones. Esto a ocurrido en Venezula y lo mismo esta ocurriendo en Bolivia.

Desde que vine a vivir a Portugal han cambiado muchas cosas en Venezuela (por nombrar algunas: la bandera, el nombre de la republica, entre otras)

Si...de los cambios me entere en un documentario llamado "No volverán" sobre los buenos cambios de Venezuela y el slogan 'No volverán' esta dedicado a que los conservadores no volverán al poder.

Lo que me gusto hartísimo fue el cambio del caballo que siempre a existido en la bandera venezolana, que antes estaba dirigido hacía la derecho y ahora se dirige hacía la izquierda

Tu pensamiento en donde esperas que

un pueblo unido luche por una causa comun

sería hermoso pero no ocurrirá hasta que la gente se de cuenta con quién el país avanzara hacía adelante con más prosperidad.

a todos los que leen el blog de Kerstin quiero que sepan que respeto todos los comentarios porque todos son validos es asi la democracia es asi el mundo libre en que vivimos y asi sera por siempre

Al igual que tú José Carlos, yo tambien considero todos los comentarios validos, de esa manera nace la democracia.

By MizzMartinez, # 5. December 2007, 12:23:25

By LorenzoCelsi, # 5. December 2007, 13:03:14

Wow, that was so boring

Just kidding

Kinda. Ok, I admit it! I don't like Chávez! And I am a socialist democrat!

it is like those old test where you had to put shaped things inside the right hole. The triangular shape doens't fit in the round hole, unless you use an hammer.
By LorenzoCelsi, # 5. December 2007, 09:16:45

Ok, now I'm horny

By dannii, # 5. December 2007, 22:02:31

I had that game with I was a little kid and even if I did not recall how I played with it, I remember my brother that did that way, putting whatever shape in a random hole than trying to make it fit by hammering. It was also fun when they made me do the same game during the test before the military service. I guess you Dannii would not pass the test or you would be promoted general, I am not sure which of the two.

By LorenzoCelsi, # 5. December 2007, 22:06:05

In Ireland when the government wants to change things in the constitution we have a single vote on each issue, if there is more than one issue to be decided at the same time then there are a number of boxes on the voting paper and each one is addressed individually. It would seem very seem strange to me if all of the issues were voted on together.
Were all the issues constitutional changes?

By phiznlil, # 5. December 2007, 23:05:40

alex writes:

hi idont know you ijust want to knwo that can u help me im living in iran and i really like to go to USA but igot no money if u can help me please answer.
my id:alex_romance2006@yahoo.com

By anonymous user, # 5. December 2007, 23:12:42

I respect your opinion Dannii...

Phiznlil: wow I seriously think that your way of changing the constitution is perfect!

I'm not sure if all of the issues were constitutional changes..but I'll definitely get back to you!

By MizzMartinez, # 5. December 2007, 23:49:37

LOL @ that bloke from Iran, that was the weirdest most random comment ever!

guess you Dannii would not pass the test or you would be promoted general, I am not sure which of the two.
By LorenzoCelsi, # 5. December 2007, 22:06:05

If I had to do military service then I'd be promoted to General Whore or something like that!

By dannii, # 6. December 2007, 01:42:39

Oh...I forgot...the guy from Iran..

Nope, me can't help you!

By MizzMartinez, # 6. December 2007, 04:30:54

By dannii, # 6. December 2007, 05:01:48

Cumon Kerstin! Give that guy some money so he can travel!!

By dannii, # 6. December 2007, 05:02:14

How comes he wants to go to USA instead of Venezuela?

By LorenzoCelsi, # 6. December 2007, 11:07:02

Exactly...I would definitely sell my computer and buy a ticket to Venezuela...* Mizz Martínez thinks...* No, actually I wouldn't! I would sell my computer and buy me a ticket to Venezuela!

And hey, Dannii...why don't you give him some money..I bet he does whatever to get his ass from the beautiful country of Iran!

By MizzMartinez, # 6. December 2007, 14:48:42

How comes he wants to go to USA instead of Venezuela?
By LorenzoCelsi, # 6. December 2007, 11:07:02

Because it is the most beautiful country in the whole world

And hey, Dannii...why don't you give him some money..I bet he does whatever to get his ass from the beautiful country of Iran!
By MizzMartinez, # 6. December 2007, 14:48:42

Nah, maybe for a couple of bucks I would, but I have friends who'd do it for free!

By dannii, # 6. December 2007, 22:26:43

Most beautiful country in the whole world? I guess you've never been in Bolivia, Venezuela nor Sweden...

I have friends who'd do it for free!

always good to know!

By MizzMartinez, # 6. December 2007, 22:40:07

seguiendo la linea de mi ultimo comentario, algo que me falto preguntarte... todavia no vi tu trabajo-informe sobre mi Venezuela

By jcmarques, # 6. December 2007, 23:44:08

Most beautiful country in the whole world? I guess you've never been in Bolivia, Venezuela nor Sweden...
By MizzMartinez, # 6. December 2007, 22:40:07

You can take me all around the world, I will always love the United States of America

By dannii, # 7. December 2007, 01:16:12

Greetings:

I´m writing from Venezuela. Dear Ms. Martínez, in general terms your note on Venezuela is a fair one. However, reality is more complex than mainstream media rethoric or government propaganda. We invite you to see our blog, it focuses on the popular movement in Venezuela, particularly workers´ struggles. The blog is my.opera.com/clan and it´s in spanish.

It would be of interest for you as an independent source of information.

Saludos,
CLAN

By CLAN, # 7. December 2007, 14:04:11

José...te lo mandaré! Si? Me había olvidado completamente...

Dannii..I know why you want to USA...blondes and gheys...maybe not the gheys so much, but definitely the blonds...

CLAN: I love your blog! It's a perfect site! I'll read it with a lot of interest!

By MizzMartinez, # 7. December 2007, 15:26:00

Dannii..I know why you want to USA...blondes and gheys...maybe not the gheys so much, but definitely the blonds...
By MizzMartinez, # 7. December 2007, 15:26:00

You know me so well!

By dannii, # 7. December 2007, 18:37:57

Is that a negative thing Dannii?

By MizzMartinez, # 7. December 2007, 18:48:13

Nope