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Installing XP over Vista on a Toshiba A200 Laptop

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A month ago my father bought a new laptop, a spiffy dual-core Toshiba unit with gobs of power. This laptop, an A200 model, came pre-installed with Vista, which caused some hesitation in the office, but he stuck with it and made it work.

Almost.

After five weeks of fighting Vista, calling Microsoft and still failing to solve simple things like network file transfers, he'd had enough. He came to me, handed me the laptop, and said "If you can install XP on this it's yours." (It should be pointed out that I work with him and by giving me the new laptop he'd finally be free of the constant complaints about the old laptop. It's not like he's in the habit of just dropping expensive gifts on my desk).

[Update: A followup post, along with links to most of the drivers you need to install XP on a Toshiba A200, can be found here]

He'd had quite enough of vista's shiny crap. Everything was slower than it should be on a 2GHz dual-core laptop with 2GB RAM. It was sickening, but I didn't realy have much cause to complain: Free laptop for me! Happy fathers day - normally the gifts go the other way, but I won't complain.

I tried Vista out first. I wanted to remove an app that was installed, so I went to the control panel, and looked for Add Remove Programs. It wasn't there. Microsoft changed the name to 'Program something something', and I'm too old for this shit.

I formatted the drive and installed Windows XP.

Toshiba, by all accounts, is not interested in selling computers as tools. Instead they're selling some sort of complete package, a computer with an OS that you shouldn't change and probably shouldn't even use, 'cause if something breaks Toshiba's solution is to simply nuke the whole drive and reinstall another blank Vista OS. In a disgusting move they require I burn my own recovery discs, they're too tight-assed to even provide the $0.10 worth of media I need to restore the system if it breaks.

Toshiba won't provide drivers for XP on the new A200, even though the drivers exist and are, in fact, the identical drivers used on older Toshiba models. They're still on Toshiba's website, but Toshiba didn't want to sell a tool people could use, they wanted to sell something that was probably designed to make the tech support guy's job easier. Never mind that their solution is usually "reinstall Vista and lose all your work" when something goes wrong.

Toshiba isn't alone in this, most laptops (and indeed most name-brand computers) are sold as unmodifiable kits with security stickers over the screws so you can't even add extra RAM on your own. No one wants Vista. I won't get into it in detail, but it's an operating system designed by Microsoft to satisfy copyright holders. It's not designed to grant more powerful abilities to the end user.

So we had a laptop from a company uninterested in providing powerful tools saddled software created by a company that actively screws its customers.

Hell yeah I ripped Vista off and installed XP. I did it without Toshiba's help and I did it without Microsoft's approval. Screw them both.

If I was buying a laptop I'd get an ASUS or IBM, both of which are provided with XP Pro installed still. That's what my father did: he junked the Toshiba and bought himself an ASUS instead. Smart move. The Asus was cheaper and better equipped, had the right OS already installed and didn't make him burn his own recovery discs.

WTF, Toshiba? WTF.

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Comments

KimberlySqueakeyCat Tuesday, September 4, 2007 3:22:56 PM

Microsoft put VISTA out long before it should have been out. It has so many bugs that DELL was sued by companies that bought the vista systems from them in a multi-deal lawsuit in new york.

Dell was made to replace ALL the VISTA computers with XP comps, and NOW finally issues XP if the user wants the XP instead of VISTA

if this is what it takes to get XP back, then microsoft should also be held accountable for their act in putting the VISTA out b4 it was completed and made sure that it would work properly

also, Microsoft does NOT provide tech support for the vista, that is y a lot of ppl that sell the vista computer systems can't get the tech support that they need, cuz microsoft did NOT teach the companies anything about the vista system properly before sending it to them.

Chthoniidchthoniid Tuesday, September 4, 2007 7:10:41 PM

I kind of felt that (finally) with XP (SP2), Micro$oft finally got an OS right (my previous favourite was 98SE).

It's been very stable, and while bloated with driver-software, this largely ensured a simple plug-and-play option for a lot of peripherals.

When I see how much of a footprint Vista demands on a PC, and that it isn't backward compatible with a lot of software I run, I'm not thrilled. The move to XP from 98 was relatively painless. The move from XP to Vista mandates major upgrades in processing power and new software.

I'm still determined to stick out XP as long as I can...

KimberlySqueakeyCat Tuesday, September 4, 2007 7:59:52 PM

meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee to...i have no intentions on changing from XP unless i change computers from windows to mac or something else

Stevenrequiem_na Wednesday, September 5, 2007 4:35:03 AM

I am quite happy with XPsp2. It's stable, lets me do what I want to whatever media I want, and is fairly damned stable. I recently bought my sister a laptop, for which she wanted maximum longevity. Against my better judgement I bought her a bottom of the range ACER with Vista. After I got my hands on it I stripped every process I could to reduce memory usage.

It turned out that the machine only came with only 256 MB RAM. I've been told this violates the agreement hardware manufacturers have with MS over minimum requirements (that's another story). The final result being my sister has dropped $700+ on a shiny new laptop (1.3 Celeron mobile) that runs far slower than a 3yo XP laptop that it's just not funny. In fact, its embarrassing and insulting; a mistake that someone with my experience could make. I should've just gotten her a mac. F#ck you Microsoft.

KimberlySqueakeyCat Thursday, September 6, 2007 7:32:38 PM

lmao

AlbeexAlbX Monday, September 10, 2007 1:46:02 PM

Laptops are awesome, except if you have Vista on it.
My actual lappie , a Acer Core2 2.0Ghz, works great with XpPro and yes it's Vista Capable p
They now sell it only with Vista, and the real crappy thing is that you're able to find only Vista drivers at Acer support site and there is no trace of any Xp driver if you want to do a DownGrade..
My bro bought a Acer lappie with Vista, and it works .. more or less but he ask me everytime "WHY IS SLOW?"...
I will install Vista on my pc's around year 2009... then SP5 it will be out and we will enjoy another stable os.

KimberlySqueakeyCat Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:53:33 AM

lmao, i tend to agree with that last comment, ALBX...i don't think microsoft should have put vista out yet...though i just got a second computer, that actually has it on it...i DO NOT like the vista program.

shortcuts all over the place, and hard to figure out just where everything is.

davekaren33 Thursday, November 8, 2007 3:11:31 AM

HI THERE I AM NOT REAL GREAT WITH COMPUTERS BUT I AM OVER VISTA. NONE OF MY PROGRAMS WILL WORK WITH IT AND I FIND IT HAS A MIND OF ITS OWN. I HAVE A TOSHIBA A200 LAPTOP AND WANT TO CONVERT IT TO XP SO I HAVE TRIED TO FOLLOW YOUR EXAMPLE ABOVE AND WENT TO THE LINK YOU HAVE PUT THERE BUT I CANT FIND THE DRIVERS ON THIS LINK. IS IT POSSIBLE TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME LIKE I AM A 5 YEAR OLD (BETTER NOT THEY PROBABLY COULD SORT IT OUT BETTER THAN I CAN). PLEASE HELP THIS GRANDMA. THANKS KAREN

antivista Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:41:27 PM

hi...here is a little guide i wrote due to the pain it caused me to downgrade vista to xp with my satellite A200.. when i think about it im still pissed for what i had to go through...
cheers,fuck vista..and enjoy...

http://www.tamalecart.com/toshibaA200/

http://www.tamalecart.com/toshibaA200/downgrade_Vista_to_XP.pdf

ibibe Friday, February 1, 2008 11:00:34 AM

The vista thing took me away from what i love for some while. I bot a A135 Toshiba. This has made me passionately hate toshiba and im well into linux. Thanks for the toshiba miscroft thing that i cannot develop with. I live in some remote part of Kenya and Getting a service pack without lan and vga troubles is hell. I think next time companies agree on business term or such, they should consult consumers. I do much consultation services and you can guess what i tell people looking for a laptop.

Widow Thursday, April 3, 2008 3:56:03 AM

I went out and bought a toshiba satellite a205 today.. I asked the salesman if I could get it with XP instead of vista because this laptop only comes with 1gig of ram instead of the 2 microsucks says vista needs to run well. I was told that XP wasn't being sold on newer systems because Microsucks wanted xp to be phased out, so that the only way I would be able to get vista was to have it installed after I got it home.

Now I find it hard to believe that Microsucks would allow Vista to be put on any machine with less than 2 gig of ram, you would think that Microsucks would say No Way! just to cut down the complaints that Vista is way to slow and not as fast as they thought it would be. This is my first experence with Vista nad I tell you it wil be my last. When I can no longer use XP I wil be going to Linux, because from what I've been told it's easier, faster, and much more stable than any Windows versions out there. Most people who I've personaly talked to about vista say it's so ungodly slow when running other programs that it's not even worth owning. I bought my laptop because I wanted something I could take with me so that if I wanted I could play World of warcraft on and I can't even begin to think about installing Warcraft on this vista system as it is now. After reading this I think it's simple to get this laptop loaded with XP like whats on my desktop, and as far as breaking the thing that says you can only install xp on one machine, I say to hell with that.. I bought and paid \for my copy of Xp and I own both my computers so I should be able to install it on both my machines.

scav Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:12:56 AM

how to do it?? coz it wont let me install xp on m lapie // pls put more guide pls

chriskp3s Sunday, June 8, 2008 12:05:23 PM

*Everything* is available on:
http://www.toshiba-asia.com/support/index.jsp
*All* the drivers are there.

truehellraizor Saturday, June 21, 2008 7:43:05 PM

look 95 was fun and he%$ 98 was cool i still got old 98 on my desktop now there is xp just crazy but it get's to you after awhile then xp sp2 what the hell like any of us use the install xp firewall what was a waste of time and money now here comes the new xp vista all the eye candy you can get..... more wasta of money now "there" sayingmico-junk vista did not need to get out this soon.... the one thang u mico does not want you to know is there is a better os out there just read and learn.... i run gentoo "linux" by the way linux is free for all to download www.gentoo.org give it a try but i say you need to read befor you get but i will say this there is not viruses or trojans in linux.... "hope this helps in some way"

manifesto2 Saturday, July 19, 2008 4:28:12 PM

guys. I just came across this topic after having a hard time formatting and trying to install xp on my friends a200. after booting off of the windows dvd, this is the message its giving me:

"setup did not find any hard disk drives installed in you computer.

Make sure any hard disk drives are powered on adn properly connected to you computer, and that any disk-related hardware configuration is correct. this may involve running a manufacturer-supllied diagnostic or setup program.

set up cannon continue. to quit set up press F3."

Please HELP!!!!

Antivista, I tried to follow ur link to ur PDF, the links are not set up properly so I cannot get to the pdf attachments.

MedvedFakov Monday, July 21, 2008 5:02:22 PM

How to install XP on Toshiba A200 notebook FAQ
russian
www.ixbt.com
http://forum.ixbt.com/topic.cgi?id=17:26992

xp drivers http://support.toshiba.ca/support/Download/ln_byModel.asp#

antivista Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:46:21 AM


links are working properly. the pdf is hosted now on mediafire. just click on the download link over the site. it will take you to
mediafire.

im happy to say over 60k+ people have upgraded using this little guide.


http://www.tamalecart.com/toshibaA200/

or just google tamalecart.com

LawrenceNFGman Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:59:54 AM

It's for a good cause, innit? Vista's such a nightmare.

It's like voodoo: even when it works you don't know why.

Chthoniidchthoniid Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:14:55 AM

Just had a new PC built for me so in went XP. I'd rather use the ram to work with photos smile

antivista Friday, September 12, 2008 8:42:56 AM


damn right its for a good cause; vista is tighter than an nun ass.

last week i acquired a new Satellite A305 is really stylish but the best thing was, vista lasted for a few hours now im happily running xp

it presents the same ordeal to downgrade so here is the new guide
for the A300 in case someone roaming around is looking for drivers
and an upgrade to XP smile

http://tamalecart.com/A300-305/




Ǿɱ ŽåЏӘĐLastBreath Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:23:17 PM

hy , i have the same PC and i wanna convert my windows vista to xp..
could u give me any help,sad

dreamtouch4u Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:04:33 PM

please help me i want the laptop toshiba satellite A200 (PSAFCL-01M00P) drivers for xp.........................................

Cubrain Studiocubrain Monday, May 4, 2009 9:24:35 AM

heloo

meee too, i ve bought a toshiba tecra s5 latop, with 1000 Euro, that s very expensive for me, i thought that if i buy a expensive laptop with a good configuration it will suite my needs and work faster.

It came with vista pro. I can say that this laptop is slower than my old one..it doesen t evean work, it s slower than a pentium 1 it s crap. it drive my insane i nearly thrown it otside my window.

The problem is that i can not instal XP on it, id doesn t recognize my bootable cd, can you give me some advice pls...how can i delete vista and instal XP on Toshiba Tecra S5. pls
Thanks

Dayanonline2z Monday, October 5, 2009 1:37:59 AM

Hi !
Im using Lenovo Laptop Y450, but I think your will be able to delete the Vista by reformat your HD.
What you need to do is go to your BIOS SETUP first and change the AHCI to the common IDE ATA, then your XP bootable CD will run normally.

antivista Wednesday, November 4, 2009 12:32:03 AM

im sorry it took me a while to upload the site once again to other free hosting service. hopefully this hosting service will keep it for the long run ...

all the information u need is located here

http://in-xss.site11.com/

http://in-xss.site11.com/toshibaA200/

http://in-xss.site11.com/A300-305/

read the documentation its all there really!






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