The Symbolism of Goats in Art
Sunday, 21. December 2008, 15:38:36
Anyway, I digress...............back to the symbolism. Looking through my trusty book on symbolism that I refer to quite often: An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Traditional Symbols by J. C. Cooper, I found some very interesting information. In general terms, a goat represents masculinity, abundant vitality, or creative energy. A gazelle or antelope can also be used interchangeably. Since some types of goats live in high places, e.g. mountain goats, it can also mean superiority. The book goes on to say what the goat means in different religions and cultures. In Christianity, it represents the devil, the damned, and sinners. This is what it means to me when they are depicted in art, specifically, Surrealism.
As far as the music video goes, I still haven’t figured out the meaning of the use of the goat except that the young men crouching around it had done a very mean thing to another young man by hog-tying him, placing duct tape over his mouth and putting him in the trunk of a car. He escaped and chased the other men and then all of them, including the one doing the chasing, jumped over a cliff into a lake. Then they all came up through the water and through a trap door into a floating barge music studio. It makes for a weird video and maybe it all means nothing....just visual coolness....something to look at. Here is the music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwh3FmpZ7kg&eurl=http://my.opera.com/ossian42/blog/2008/12/20/why-does-it-always-rain-on-me
The picture (in the upper right of the page of my book) depicting four stylized goats painted on Sumerian pottery running around a pool, symbolizes ‘Lord of the Waters’. Thinking of goats also brings to mind the Satyr, that are half goat and half man with goat’s horns, and Pan that has the legs, horns and beard of a goat. I won’t go into the explanation of the Satyr or Pan as that is another long blog post.
The above picture gives me a great idea on how to use my photo of a car part. Someone told me what this part was but I have forgotten already.
As you can see, the goat depicted in art, can mean many different things. Or, as in the case of realistic and photo-realistic paintings.....they’re just goats.















BabyJay99 # 21. December 2008, 15:53
PainterWoman # 21. December 2008, 16:01
I still would love to live on a small farm and have a couple of chickens and pygmy goats.
ellinidata # 21. December 2008, 16:54
a great post Pam,
thanks for sharing!
PainterWoman # 21. December 2008, 17:00
ricewood # 21. December 2008, 17:38
I am aware of the goat symbolizing the devil in Christianity - which I assume is the kind of symbolism used in the Travis-video. Quite dreamy and surreal.
Why does it always rain on me - was it because I lied when I was seventeen? This is about sin and punishment, isn't it?
I tend to, and feed, four goats daily - and have therefore gotten to know a bit about the "psyche" of goats. I get the feeling that they're mentally related to cats. Cats and goats never submiss to humans. They use humans on the other hand. Quite the opposite way a dog relates to us.
We will be accepted, even appreciated, as long as we bring nice food and behave like goats want us to. Looking at a goats facial expression and accepting it's lack of emotions, it's easy to understand why we often associate it with something devilish. They seem alien, yet partly representing the worst side of us humans.
I know I will have to think some more about this. Thanks, Pam, for activating thoughts I rarely use.
PainterWoman # 21. December 2008, 18:26
I like your input about your own pet goats....er....I guess actually, you are their pet.
ricewood # 21. December 2008, 18:31
In case you haven't done already, look here:
http://my.opera.com/ricewood/blog/my-job
I do the same to videos like you do. Guess it's because we both work visually - absorbing the pictures so much that we tend to leave the rest behind!
PainterWoman # 21. December 2008, 18:57
gdare # 21. December 2008, 19:22
PainterWoman # 21. December 2008, 19:28
Maybe it's a 'thingamabob' like Andy said.
gdare # 21. December 2008, 19:53
Suntana # 22. December 2008, 00:17
PainterWoman # 22. December 2008, 00:38
Now 'rust collection plate' I might remember.
DBabbit # 22. December 2008, 01:18
PainterWoman # 22. December 2008, 01:28
I'd like to stay on a little farm for a week and see if I really would like it. For some reason, I see myself living out in the country somewhere with a few animals. Not too many...and a small garden to grow lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers and such. I think it's just a dream...
DBabbit # 22. December 2008, 02:52
I just got a big order in of heirloom (non-genetically modified) vegetable seeds in the mail. I will be working on making a new garden while I'm off for the next two weeks.
You can grow vegetables in containers, Pam, no matter where you live!
PainterWoman # 22. December 2008, 03:30
I want someone to build me a pergola before I plant another herb garden. It would give some protection from the hot rays of the sun but let in just enough light for growing. I could rig something up myself with posts and trellises but it would get blown apart with the first big storm.
In any event, Feb or Mar I'm going to get some seeds again and find a small, more shaded area for a few things.
Oh, what makes the non-genetically modified seeds better and do you have a link to order seeds?
DBabbit # 22. December 2008, 03:50
PainterWoman # 22. December 2008, 03:54
DBabbit # 22. December 2008, 04:06
PainterWoman # 22. December 2008, 04:14
DBabbit # 22. December 2008, 05:15
Weatherlawyer # 22. December 2008, 05:50
The clutch is the intermediary between the power and the glory, the gettin' and the gone.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/clutch1.htm
In a boat or on a plane, you can just clip a propellor to the engine's flywheel because it is slipping through water or air.
With a car all sorts of presures from hard wear will hit the engine so the flywheel won't cope with the distortion. So they "gear it down" and make pressure plates that give a little and slip a little.
The diaphragm assists that.
It's the same with a family.
The man is the driving force and the woman is the amelioration. If you ask a man to do something he may say: "Get lost, I don't do favours." but if you ask his wife for the favour, he might soften.
Especially if he sees his wife is pleased with the flowers or there is still some chocolate left.
Same with god and men, we need a priest. And some sacrifice. A dead goat, or something that smells nice cooked.
Maybe that's why we call the main bit a clutch plate
PainterWoman # 22. December 2008, 06:18
Interesting link. Now I know what it looks like new. Mine looks like its' missing a part.
Weatherlawyer # 22. December 2008, 07:14
"Mine looks like its' missing a part."
Yes, we call them "cars" over here.
Sort of a big square thing, with... errr.. like a small shed ..with a wheel on each corner.
You must have noticed?
gdare # 22. December 2008, 09:10
But a wheel is on the wrong side
Unasia # 22. December 2008, 13:08
Huong Lan # 22. December 2008, 13:43
Hi Pam, the goats are so funny. I could not help laughing when seeing them running around.
How are you celebrating Christmas? Are you making Christmas cookie with various shapes and then decorating them? I'm working for a US company so I'll have a day off on 25 Dec. Wonder what I should do...
Wish you a blessed Christmas and blissful New Year!
Lan
PainterWoman # 22. December 2008, 14:11
Hi Clance.
Hi Lan. This time, I'm making my famous baked beans and zuchinni bread.
Are there movie theatres open? You could go to a movie. I want to see the new one with Christian Bale
Huong Lan # 22. December 2008, 14:21
Well, I don't think I want to go the movie theater. If the weather is good, I'll ride to the countryside and ... take photos.
Enjoy the movie, Pam.
PainterWoman # 22. December 2008, 14:31
I doubt I'll see the movie till it comes out on video. It has gotten too expensive to go to the theatre here. It's much cheaper to rent, stay home and make your own popcorn.
Your photos of Vietnam are always great to see. I can't wait.
Weatherlawyer # 22. December 2008, 14:55
It makes my eyes water thinking about it. Hey, are you trying to get my goat?
I had a crutch fail on me once, in the middle of nowhere, just like they do. So I climbed a hill to see if there was a house anywhere. And I saw this big pit. So I dropped a stone down it, like you do and counted.
I never heard it drop, so I looked around for a bigger stone. The same thing again. Only there wasn't anything bigger to throw next, except a broken piece of fence post.
So I rolled that in, then a goat ran between my legs and jumped in too.
That was odd.
PainterWoman # 22. December 2008, 15:06
Yup, towards the end, my old Honda needed one of those.
DBabbit # 22. December 2008, 22:03
Pam, at the end of the day when I've been online for hours, my fingers need crutches too.
PainterWoman # 22. December 2008, 22:22
DBabbit # 22. December 2008, 22:31
Weatherlawyer # 23. December 2008, 00:50
You were thinking of crutches too?
Funny thing about that goat. I got to the top of the hill and there was nothing but an old man with a bucket of corn or something walking along the other side.
He asked me about his goat too. I said: "I saw one just now. It jumped down an hole."
"Where?"
"Down the other side of the hill."
He said it wasn't his though, as his was tied up.
DBabbit # 23. December 2008, 01:28
Weatherlawyer # 23. December 2008, 02:37
Well, well, it's a small world. (And hard at the bottom too.)
DBabbit # 23. December 2008, 03:24
edwardpiercy # 24. December 2008, 00:04
"Their muscles stiffen causing them to fall over when they become excited."
Been there, done that.
Great post, Pam. I think the auto part whatchamacallit idea is a great one.
P.S. Nice redhead in that video. I wonder if she likes Old Goats?
PainterWoman # 24. December 2008, 00:17
I've always liked goats, the pygymy kind, that is. They're just as stinky as the big ones, but I still like them. Larger animals scare me no matter how sweet their faces are. I like watching them but from the other side of a fence.
I did a hideous painting I named Pan in the Tulips. I used such bright and garish colors that he turned out sort of clownish. Maybe when I do the post on the Satyr and Pan, I'll post my hideous painting too, along with a few good paintings from the history books.
edwardpiercy # 24. December 2008, 00:21
They have a very nice little statue of Pan in a park in downtown Indianapolis. I have no idea why, but they do.
edwardpiercy # 24. December 2008, 00:49
Synchronicity, I guess. Or, maybe just more goat stuff out there than I would have thought.
Weatherlawyer # 24. December 2008, 01:21
That's like a year's wages for a goat? That goat is below poverty level subsistence. They want agrichemicals and new shoes, they want fast cars and beautiful wives And they should expect freedom from pain and disease and free clean water from their governments.
If the governments can live in luxury and fill Rolls Royces and Mercedes with gunslinging bodyguards who look like they ate the shop, they can put food on the table of their humblest citizen.
Or what the hell have they done with all the damned money they have recieved since the Victorians were pillaging them?
Set up armies of religious genocidal maniacs that's what. Stop enriching dictators and the Mugabe's of this world would get better jobs.
Somewhere else.
edwardpiercy # 24. December 2008, 03:40
Weatherlawyer # 24. December 2008, 03:50
And time and again you see these fat leaders with the latest weapons Margaret Thatchering for freedom. Everybody giving what they could to Band Aid and she wanted them to pay tax on it.
And then she refused to release old stock from the mountains of butter the EU had collected over the decades the lords of misrule had been corrupting every thing they touched.
Then next spring we are buying Egyptian potatoes like there was nothing going wrong with African harvests.
Outrageous!
I still give. What else can you do? I know it is financing corruption.. But you can't "not give". Can you?
I don't have to like it though.
PainterWoman # 24. December 2008, 03:51
Now if I had an extra $100 bucks, I'd probably buy food for a family here in Arizona, or just donate it to a food bank. As it is now, it'll get me a month's worth of gasoline.
DBabbit # 24. December 2008, 03:54
Weatherlawyer # 24. December 2008, 03:57
Nice one.