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What I am seeking is not the real and not the unreal but rather the unconscious, the mystery of the instinctive in the human race-Amedeo Modigliani

The Symbolism of Goats in Art

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I have been thinking about goats the last couple of days after seeing a music video over in Graham’s blog and wondering about the symbolism of their use in this video. In it, was a scene of several young men crouching around a goat lying on the ground. At first, I thought why would they have a dead goat in a music video but then thought of those fainting goats. The fainting goats aren’t really fainting, nor do they loose consciousness. Their muscles stiffen causing them to fall over when they become excited. That doesn’t last long enough for them to be in the scene in the music video so, giving the maker of the video the benefit of the doubt, I figured it was just a stuffed goat.



Anyway, I digress...............back to the symbolism. Looking through my trusty book on symbolism that I refer to quite often: An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Traditional Symbols by J. C. Cooper, I found some very interesting information. In general terms, a goat represents masculinity, abundant vitality, or creative energy. A gazelle or antelope can also be used interchangeably. Since some types of goats live in high places, e.g. mountain goats, it can also mean superiority. The book goes on to say what the goat means in different religions and cultures. In Christianity, it represents the devil, the damned, and sinners. This is what it means to me when they are depicted in art, specifically, Surrealism.

As far as the music video goes, I still haven’t figured out the meaning of the use of the goat except that the young men crouching around it had done a very mean thing to another young man by hog-tying him, placing duct tape over his mouth and putting him in the trunk of a car. He escaped and chased the other men and then all of them, including the one doing the chasing, jumped over a cliff into a lake. Then they all came up through the water and through a trap door into a floating barge music studio. It makes for a weird video and maybe it all means nothing....just visual coolness....something to look at. Here is the music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwh3FmpZ7kg&eurl=http://my.opera.com/ossian42/blog/2008/12/20/why-does-it-always-rain-on-me

The picture (in the upper right of the page of my book) depicting four stylized goats painted on Sumerian pottery running around a pool, symbolizes ‘Lord of the Waters’. Thinking of goats also brings to mind the Satyr, that are half goat and half man with goat’s horns, and Pan that has the legs, horns and beard of a goat. I won’t go into the explanation of the Satyr or Pan as that is another long blog post.


The above picture gives me a great idea on how to use my photo of a car part. Someone told me what this part was but I have forgotten already.


As you can see, the goat depicted in art, can mean many different things. Or, as in the case of realistic and photo-realistic paintings.....they’re just goats.

Some Non-Traditional Christmas Music for your enjoymentIt's Christmas Eve

Comments

BabyJay99 21. December 2008, 15:53

Eemmeekkkk :smile:

PainterWoman 21. December 2008, 16:01

:D
I still would love to live on a small farm and have a couple of chickens and pygmy goats.

ellinidata 21. December 2008, 16:54

the scent of country! :smile:

a great post Pam,
thanks for sharing!

PainterWoman 21. December 2008, 17:00

Thanks Angeliki. :up:

ricewood 21. December 2008, 17:38

This is actually interesting.

I am aware of the goat symbolizing the devil in Christianity - which I assume is the kind of symbolism used in the Travis-video. Quite dreamy and surreal.

Why does it always rain on me - was it because I lied when I was seventeen? This is about sin and punishment, isn't it?

I tend to, and feed, four goats daily - and have therefore gotten to know a bit about the "psyche" of goats. I get the feeling that they're mentally related to cats. Cats and goats never submiss to humans. They use humans on the other hand. Quite the opposite way a dog relates to us.

We will be accepted, even appreciated, as long as we bring nice food and behave like goats want us to. Looking at a goats facial expression and accepting it's lack of emotions, it's easy to understand why we often associate it with something devilish. They seem alien, yet partly representing the worst side of us humans.

I know I will have to think some more about this. Thanks, Pam, for activating thoughts I rarely use.


PainterWoman 21. December 2008, 18:26

Thanks Allan. I like these kinds of weird videos because my mind goes all over the place wondering what the visuals mean. Of course, then it makes me forget to listen to the words so I have to watch and listen several times.

I like your input about your own pet goats....er....I guess actually, you are their pet. :D It is interesting that they are like cats as you say. I used to have cats and I agree. Some are rather independent and will come to you only if you have food. They will also eye you suspiciously from across the room and you wonder what they're planning. My sister's male cat is like that. His name is Walter and he scares the bejeebers out of me.

ricewood 21. December 2008, 18:31

Yes, they are pet goats - even though they're not mine. They are a part of my job.

In case you haven't done already, look here:

http://my.opera.com/ricewood/blog/my-job

I do the same to videos like you do. Guess it's because we both work visually - absorbing the pictures so much that we tend to leave the rest behind!

PainterWoman 21. December 2008, 18:57

Allan, Thank you. I just went over there to read it and posted a comment.

gdare 21. December 2008, 19:22

Pam, your automobile part is lamell - clutch friction disc :D I needed to Google it to find english word :D

PainterWoman 21. December 2008, 19:28

Darko, thanks, but I think Carlos called it something else...or maybe he didn't. :confused: I don't remember now. I'm going to have to go back a post to where I have the picture of a bunch of them. The names of car parts sorta go in one ear and out the other.:D

Maybe it's a 'thingamabob' like Andy said. p:

gdare 21. December 2008, 19:53

:lol:

Suntana 22. December 2008, 00:17

Pam ... Carlos did ... Oops! :D I mean, I did call it something slightly different. A Clutch Plate. It's pretty close to what Darko found. I guess it depends on the source. It's pretty much the same concept in function. It could also be called a Rust Collection Plate. :jester: Just Kidding!

PainterWoman 22. December 2008, 00:38

Darko and Carlos, I think it's a lost cause. I'll probably forget both.

Now 'rust collection plate' I might remember. :lol:

DBabbit 22. December 2008, 01:18

Pam, my dad & I used to raise Boer Goats - They're a meat animal - rather tasty too. :smile: I had 125 animals to take care of when Dad got sick.

PainterWoman 22. December 2008, 01:28

Oh my goodness Denise, that's a lot of animals. Did you have to sell them or give them away? That would have really been hard to do but a necessity, I suppose. Or, do you still have them?

I'd like to stay on a little farm for a week and see if I really would like it. For some reason, I see myself living out in the country somewhere with a few animals. Not too many...and a small garden to grow lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers and such. I think it's just a dream...

DBabbit 22. December 2008, 02:52

I had to sell them when Dad became an invalid. Didn't have time to tend to them and help Mom take care of him. I'd love to get back into it though. Taking care of that many goats was a little tough, but not so bad once had my routing going. I would love to have some miniature livestock. Farmers out west are now breeding miniature cows, and I want some of those! :lol:

I just got a big order in of heirloom (non-genetically modified) vegetable seeds in the mail. I will be working on making a new garden while I'm off for the next two weeks.

You can grow vegetables in containers, Pam, no matter where you live! :smile: Cucumbers can be grown up a trellis - all you have to do is tie them loosly to the trellis with old nylon stockings.

PainterWoman 22. December 2008, 03:30

Cukes actually do ok here. You have to get everything planted early because it gets hot here too fast. A couple years ago I had an herb garden w/ basil, cilantro, mint, parsley, dill and a couple other things, plus mini cukes. Got about a dozen 3 or 4 inch ones. Quite good, better than the gigantic store bought ones that end up going to waste after I've eaten half. The little ones were perfect size for a salad. The basil went crazy. I still have some in the freezer.

I want someone to build me a pergola before I plant another herb garden. It would give some protection from the hot rays of the sun but let in just enough light for growing. I could rig something up myself with posts and trellises but it would get blown apart with the first big storm.

In any event, Feb or Mar I'm going to get some seeds again and find a small, more shaded area for a few things.

Oh, what makes the non-genetically modified seeds better and do you have a link to order seeds?

DBabbit 22. December 2008, 03:50

Heirloomseeds.com This is where I got them. It took almost a month to get here though, and three of packes of seeds I ordered are on backorder. I've got enough seeds to plant about 5 acres. :lol: Too bad I only have one acre to plant on! I may end up doing that square foot gardening this time.

PainterWoman 22. December 2008, 03:54

An acre!:yikes: I'm only talking about a 6 sq. feet! :lol:

DBabbit 22. December 2008, 04:06

I want vegetables in my freezer for next winter, homemade salsa, fresh pesto, and lots of salads. :D

PainterWoman 22. December 2008, 04:14

Sounds yummy to me!

DBabbit 22. December 2008, 05:15

I'm going to try something new this year. I can't start anything inside because my crazy cat will just eat whatever comes up, so I'm going to construct a small greenhouse on my side porch. I've already got the stands and pots, so all I need are florescent lights and some clear landscaping fabric. I'm also looking for some old windows so I can build some cold frames.

Weatherlawyer 22. December 2008, 05:50



The clutch is the intermediary between the power and the glory, the gettin' and the gone.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/clutch1.htm

In a boat or on a plane, you can just clip a propellor to the engine's flywheel because it is slipping through water or air.

With a car all sorts of presures from hard wear will hit the engine so the flywheel won't cope with the distortion. So they "gear it down" and make pressure plates that give a little and slip a little.

The diaphragm assists that.

It's the same with a family.
The man is the driving force and the woman is the amelioration. If you ask a man to do something he may say: "Get lost, I don't do favours." but if you ask his wife for the favour, he might soften.

Especially if he sees his wife is pleased with the flowers or there is still some chocolate left.

Same with god and men, we need a priest. And some sacrifice. A dead goat, or something that smells nice cooked.

Maybe that's why we call the main bit a clutch plate

PainterWoman 22. December 2008, 06:18

I think I'll have some goat cheese on a rusty plate.p:

Interesting link. Now I know what it looks like new. Mine looks like its' missing a part.

Weatherlawyer 22. December 2008, 07:14



"Mine looks like its' missing a part."

Yes, we call them "cars" over here.
Sort of a big square thing, with... errr.. like a small shed ..with a wheel on each corner.

You must have noticed?



gdare 22. December 2008, 09:10

:rolleyes:
But a wheel is on the wrong side P:
:D

Unasia 22. December 2008, 13:08

:D :D :star: :star: :star: :star: :star:

Huong Lan 22. December 2008, 13:43

Hello Clance!

Hi Pam, the goats are so funny. I could not help laughing when seeing them running around.

How are you celebrating Christmas? Are you making Christmas cookie with various shapes and then decorating them? I'm working for a US company so I'll have a day off on 25 Dec. Wonder what I should do... :D

Wish you a blessed Christmas and blissful New Year! :love:

Lan

PainterWoman 22. December 2008, 14:11

Actually, that crutch plate was out of my old Honda. I really do have a newer car now.

Hi Clance. :D

Hi Lan. This time, I'm making my famous baked beans and zuchinni bread.
Are there movie theatres open? You could go to a movie. I want to see the new one with Christian Bale :faint: called Terminator Salvation. I usually don't see too many Sci Fi movies but with him in it, I will see it.

Huong Lan 22. December 2008, 14:21

"Baked beans and zuchinni bread"? I doubt I have ever tasted them before! How do they taste? Guess that you will say they taste like "baked beans and zuchinni bread"! P:

Well, I don't think I want to go the movie theater. If the weather is good, I'll ride to the countryside and ... take photos. :D

Enjoy the movie, Pam.

PainterWoman 22. December 2008, 14:31

Yup, that's exactly what they taste like. :lol:

I doubt I'll see the movie till it comes out on video. It has gotten too expensive to go to the theatre here. It's much cheaper to rent, stay home and make your own popcorn.

Your photos of Vietnam are always great to see. I can't wait.

Weatherlawyer 22. December 2008, 14:55

A crutch plate. That explains a lot.

It makes my eyes water thinking about it. Hey, are you trying to get my goat?

I had a crutch fail on me once, in the middle of nowhere, just like they do. So I climbed a hill to see if there was a house anywhere. And I saw this big pit. So I dropped a stone down it, like you do and counted.

I never heard it drop, so I looked around for a bigger stone. The same thing again. Only there wasn't anything bigger to throw next, except a broken piece of fence post.

So I rolled that in, then a goat ran between my legs and jumped in too.

That was odd.

PainterWoman 22. December 2008, 15:06

Am I getting your goat? I don't know. I sometimes do that without knowing it or without meaning to. :D

:lol: 'crutch plate' This is what happens when my fingers are going too fast. :lol:

Yup, towards the end, my old Honda needed one of those.p:

DBabbit 22. December 2008, 22:03

Weather, that goat wasn't chained to that fence post was it? :lol:

Pam, at the end of the day when I've been online for hours, my fingers need crutches too. :D

PainterWoman 22. December 2008, 22:22

:lol: There are times, like when I'm sick or suffering from insomnia, for example, that my brain sends the wrong impulses to my typing fingers and I have typed a word that I wasn't even thinking. I'll sit and stare at it for a sec and wonder...what the hell? No one will ever know how many times I go back and edit. p:

DBabbit 22. December 2008, 22:31

:lol: That's happened to me quite recently!

Weatherlawyer 23. December 2008, 00:50

Wot?

You were thinking of crutches too?

Funny thing about that goat. I got to the top of the hill and there was nothing but an old man with a bucket of corn or something walking along the other side.

He asked me about his goat too. I said: "I saw one just now. It jumped down an hole."

"Where?"

"Down the other side of the hill."

He said it wasn't his though, as his was tied up.

DBabbit 23. December 2008, 01:28

:lol: Weather, that's not right. :D

Weatherlawyer 23. December 2008, 02:37

Oh sorry. You got chucked down a well?

Well, well, it's a small world. (And hard at the bottom too.)

DBabbit 23. December 2008, 03:24

I wasn't the one hooked to that fence post! p: :lol: I'm turning in early tonight so I'll wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Goats - Who are you kidding? :D

edwardpiercy 24. December 2008, 00:04

This one was worth it for the post title alone. :smile:

"Their muscles stiffen causing them to fall over when they become excited."

Been there, done that.


Great post, Pam. I think the auto part whatchamacallit idea is a great one.


P.S. Nice redhead in that video. I wonder if she likes Old Goats?







PainterWoman 24. December 2008, 00:17

Thanks Ed.

I've always liked goats, the pygymy kind, that is. They're just as stinky as the big ones, but I still like them. Larger animals scare me no matter how sweet their faces are. I like watching them but from the other side of a fence.

I did a hideous painting I named Pan in the Tulips. I used such bright and garish colors that he turned out sort of clownish. Maybe when I do the post on the Satyr and Pan, I'll post my hideous painting too, along with a few good paintings from the history books.

edwardpiercy 24. December 2008, 00:21

Unlike satyrs, Pan was a god.

They have a very nice little statue of Pan in a park in downtown Indianapolis. I have no idea why, but they do.

edwardpiercy 24. December 2008, 00:49

Hey I was just on Amazon not three minutes ago looking up an album and I found this.

Synchronicity, I guess. Or, maybe just more goat stuff out there than I would have thought.

Weatherlawyer 24. December 2008, 01:21

$100 to give someone a goat?

That's like a year's wages for a goat? That goat is below poverty level subsistence. They want agrichemicals and new shoes, they want fast cars and beautiful wives And they should expect freedom from pain and disease and free clean water from their governments.

If the governments can live in luxury and fill Rolls Royces and Mercedes with gunslinging bodyguards who look like they ate the shop, they can put food on the table of their humblest citizen.

Or what the hell have they done with all the damned money they have recieved since the Victorians were pillaging them?

Set up armies of religious genocidal maniacs that's what. Stop enriching dictators and the Mugabe's of this world would get better jobs.

Somewhere else.

edwardpiercy 24. December 2008, 03:40

As a teacher of mine once said, microcosmic efforts are no answer to situations that require macrocosmic solutions.



Weatherlawyer 24. December 2008, 03:50

It's all very sad but I have felt like helping these people ever since I can remember hearing about the so called third world. Then I found out the small percentage that Oxfam actually gives to the people who really need it as opposed to the whizz kids and yuppies consulting with them.

And time and again you see these fat leaders with the latest weapons Margaret Thatchering for freedom. Everybody giving what they could to Band Aid and she wanted them to pay tax on it.

And then she refused to release old stock from the mountains of butter the EU had collected over the decades the lords of misrule had been corrupting every thing they touched.

Then next spring we are buying Egyptian potatoes like there was nothing going wrong with African harvests.

Outrageous!

I still give. What else can you do? I know it is financing corruption.. But you can't "not give". Can you?

I don't have to like it though.

PainterWoman 24. December 2008, 03:51

My hideous painting of Pan was not a God, although the person I was thinking about when painting it, thought he was God's gift to women. The Tulips he was dancing in represented all the women.

Now if I had an extra $100 bucks, I'd probably buy food for a family here in Arizona, or just donate it to a food bank. As it is now, it'll get me a month's worth of gasoline.

DBabbit 24. December 2008, 03:54

One goat won't bring them a darn thing! :irked: They'd need a billy to go with that doe and then have to wait 5 months for the thing to kid. Speaking from experience, they'd have to wait at least 5 years to even begin making money on their herd. They are liable to go hungry before then. If the governments would stop being so corrupt, people might actually be able to make a living, no matter what they choose to do.

Weatherlawyer 24. December 2008, 03:57

You did a painting of me? You didn't even know me but we are both correct in our opinions of me, it would seem. My gift to you was the inspiration to your art.

Nice one.

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