Rijk - Opera Mail, by far be most used mail client

Opera Mail, by far be most used mail client

Sunday, February 20, 2011 1:21:47 AM

76. That's the percentage of people in the Desktop team using Opera Mail. 12% uses Thunderbird and 10% uses Apple Mail.

I did a quick check on the mail clients used by members and ex-members of the Desktop team, who have posted at least one message to our internal team mailing list in the last two years and a few months. Excluded: Opera people from other departments who sometimes post to this list; summer students, and messages sometimes sent from the webmail interface of our work accounts. We also have a lone Emacs user. He's a recent convert from the Core team though, where you can also find cases of Kmail, Mutt and Alpine. I've also spotted a case of Sylpheed from a sysadmin. And then there's one developer who has never send a message using a desktop mail client at all

Other interesting facts: one Desktop developer finally upgraded (for mail use) from Opera 6.06 to 10.60 during the previous year. And in the time period where I looked at, one developer switched from Kmail to Opera Mail, and one from Opera Mail to Apple Mail. Not a very adventurous bunch here when it comes to mail clients

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Sam Van den VonderHuRRaCaNe # Sunday, February 20, 2011 9:21:24 AM

I only use Opera Mail as an RSS Reader, if that counts.

I don't use it because I like the web interface, and I think it's kind of confusing to use opera mail (or maybe I'm just dumb and didn't take the time to read the FAQ and/or help guide) Also the following, messages will show as read (and/or deleted) in the opera mail inbox but when I do decide to log in to the web interface of lets say hotmail, they'll be there - unread. So I do prefer the web interface, sorry Opera

Mark SchenkMarkSchenk # Sunday, February 20, 2011 1:26:23 PM

I'm pretty sure I know who the 6.06 user was... I'm surprised he actually switched

Martin RauscherHades32 # Sunday, February 20, 2011 1:32:20 PM

Prioritize MAPI!!!

It's really good that way, because I think "Eat your won dog food" is a very important principle...

Andylee Satomichaelpuermayr # Sunday, February 20, 2011 2:43:18 PM

Opera Mail now looks quite ok since the last interface enhancements, but still there are a lot of things to do. Most elements take too much space and make Opera mail very hard to use with more than 3 Mail-Accounts (I got 15 here, and I am really having my problems with scrolling up and down the panel).

PGP-encoding would also be nice

Michael A. Puls IIburnout426 # Sunday, February 20, 2011 8:54:48 PM

Originally posted by HuRRaCaNe:

Also the following, messages will show as read (and/or deleted) in the opera mail inbox but when I do decide to log in to the web interface of lets say hotmail, they'll be there - unread. So I do prefer the web interface, sorry Opera

That has nothing to do with Opera specifically. That has to do with accessing Hotmail via POP3. With POP, most actions you do in the client don't sync with the server. You need IMAP access for this (which Hotmail doesn't offer) or need support for Hotmail's HTTP API.

Alexodius PrimeAleksOD # Monday, February 21, 2011 3:14:50 PM

If only Gmail synced with M2 flawlessly...

I am talking about labels in Gmail being labels in M2, not IMAP folders. I know it's Gmail's "fault", but still, M2 would completely replace Gmail web interface for me if labels were labels...

Rijk # Monday, February 21, 2011 4:21:25 PM

Originally posted by MarkSchenk:

I'm pretty sure I know who the 6.06 user was... I'm surprised he actually switched

Now that I think of it, might have to do with our company mail system, which dropped POP support completely last year... everyone has to use IMAP or the web interface now.

FataL # Monday, February 21, 2011 6:12:32 PM

Still using Opera 8.54 Mail at home.
12 accounts...

Alexodius PrimeAleksOD # Monday, February 21, 2011 6:22:16 PM

Originally posted by FataL:

Still using Opera 8.54 Mail at home.

Why not switch to the latest and greatest?

FataL # Tuesday, February 22, 2011 3:49:18 AM

Originally posted by AleksOD:

Why not switch to the latest and greatest?

Originally posted by FataL:

12 accounts...

Bron Gondwanabrongondwana # Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:54:22 PM

I'm not Desktop Team - but I'm experimenting with switching from my highly customised offlineimap+mutt setup to Claws Mail. I've found Opera on Linux as a web browser is still freezing too often to also be my mail client, maybe next release!

Alexodius PrimeAleksOD # Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:32:47 PM

Originally posted by FataL:

12 accounts...

Can't O11 manage them, too?

Andylee Satomichaelpuermayr # Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:53:18 PM

Originally posted by AleksOD:

Originally posted by FataL:

12 accounts...
Can't O11 manage them, too?

sure O11 can. but the new design uses much more space for optical/graphical effects. I got 15 accounts in O11 here and scrolling is insane. :-(

Alexodius PrimeAleksOD # Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:00:18 PM

Originally posted by michaelpuermayr:

the new design uses much more space for optical/graphical effects

Really? I thought the latest design is the most space efficient? Besides, can't you alter the appearance and remove the elements that don't suit you?

d4rkn1ght # Wednesday, February 23, 2011 12:15:43 AM

M2 always been my favorite e-mail client!

Jimtoyotabedzrock # Wednesday, February 23, 2011 6:38:02 AM

I think Opera should replace M2 with a webmail like interface and Unite based app to store the mail.

You would have to make Unite more capable of course.

blackcaeser # Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:21:43 AM

Originally posted by toyotabedzrock:

I think Opera should replace M2 with a webmail like interface and Unite based app to store the mail.

Well, I'll put it simply: Hopefully not. I *hate* webmail interfaces. But your idea isn't that bad after all: In addition to M2 there could be a M2 Unite App ...
Like others I have approximately a dozen e-mail accounts here and since all of them are using their own, random password. Making it possible to access my M2 from remote using a single password would be *great* for when I'm out of town and stuff.

Rijk # Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:00:01 AM

Originally posted by michaelpuermayr:

but the new design uses much more space for optical/graphical effects. I got 15 accounts in O11 here and scrolling is insane. :-(

The visual design actually doesn't use much more pixels, but keeping the section headers in view when you scroll down can add up to a lot. But you can control which sections to show, and in what order. So it depends on how you use the client whether it is a problem.

If you have 15 IMAP account with lots of mailboxes that you actively use, that might be hard.

If you use the generic views, you don't need to look at the specific accounts view much. And if they are POP accounts, you don't even need to expand them.

If you use the account sections a lot, you could hide some or all of the generic sections, or put those at the bottom. The mail panel got much more customizable in Opera 11.

hundredorzero # Wednesday, June 22, 2011 6:16:26 PM

Originally posted by HuRRaCaNe:

I only use Opera Mail as an RSS Reader, if that counts.

I don't use it because I like the web interface, and I think it's kind of confusing to use opera mail (or maybe I'm just dumb and didn't take the time to read the FAQ and/or help guide) Also the following, messages will show as read (and/or deleted) in the opera mail inbox but when I do decide to log in to the web interface of lets say hotmail, they'll be there - unread. So I do prefer the web interface, sorry Opera

Believe me, you are missing a fortune. You are happy with bullock cart where you can have a Ferrari, and that too for free.
Web interface is huge waste of time.

hundredorzero # Wednesday, June 22, 2011 6:19:48 PM

I won't have a life without Opera Mail.

Mesbekius # Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:59:47 PM

The new myopera (web)mail client looks very promising.

Flo Gotonig23 # Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:41:06 AM

is it planed to allow embedded images in email signatures, or is this not on topic in the next releases? thx

Flo Gotonig23 # Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:20:50 AM

and are there any plans to support movement of messages from one imap folder in to an other? The actual version (11.x) does not support this feature

Swapnil RustagiSwapnil99pro # Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:41:02 AM

Rijk, have you stopped blogging?

Rijk # Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:05:40 PM

@Florian: That should work if you enable HTML signatures. Moving messages was already supported. There was a bug with some IMAP servers (Exchange, Dovecot 1.0) that got solved in Opera 11.50.

@Swapnil99pro: looks like I don't have inspiration at the moment. ANy suggestions.

Flo Gotonig23 # Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:26:00 AM

@Rijk: yes moving _was_ supported but also in 10.51 it is just a copy from one folder to an other, but in the original folder the message still is present

with thunderbird I can move the messages.

and to the images in signatures: with the html signatures you can just add images from the internet, not local images, so they are not embedded, just a link to an extern image.

second

are there plans to solve and feature this?