SCIENCE,RELIGIONS,REALITY,DISCOVERIES,INVENTIONS AND FICTION

what should be treated as truth,although science has reached tall and has proven many things which was beyond human expectations,

Is really all humans apply their logic in all the things especially when question of religion .

well as am student of multi-religion,i have read Bible,Quran,some vedas books and other Religions.But i found in almost all the Religions conveys same message that God is one,and i strongly believe that all the humans not applying their logic in terms of understanding which Religion is right,I have gone through Bible but no where i found any statement where Jesus would have said that he is god and worship him.
It is mentioned in Bible that God commanded Moses to strike the stone with his stick it would pour out water,same happened and it is also mentioned in Islamic books too that the event took place.And God commands Moses that God would destroy all those people who would not have faith or disobey in book of Genesis.but now the question is why then people differentiate in faith whereas everyone is well known about the very fact that God is one.And i personally believe that no human has such power ever nor would have in operating such huge universe.Although it is mentioned in many places in Bible that God is one,even in Genesis there is verse in which God say that no one is like him,then how Moses could be god or Jesus or any Idol could be god as some people of india have faith on stones that they are their gods,and they think that they have more than thousand gods,how it is possible,although their religious books means Vedas also prohibits them to worship Idols is the ist lesson of Vedas.And their Religious books also conveys same message that there is nothing like HIM means God.
Take an another example of Sikhism,very few people would have heard about the Religion of Sikhism which is mostly found in india,their Religious book Granth'S ist chapter conveys the message that God is one and there is nothing like HIM and He is not begotten nor He is begotted.
Same message is given to people of Israel means Jews that Worship not any Idols or anything besides God.
same message is given to Muslims in their Religious book Quran,that God is one,there is nothing like him,HE is not begotten nor begotted,there is nothing like unto HIM.
Now the question arises if jesus,moses,guru nanak,lord krishan,or budha were god,then why they died,and why they were looking like humans although all the religious books says and convey that there is nothing like god,then why they were also had need food for survival,they had need of water to quench thirst,clothes for kept their bodies warm and for kept hidden,why?why and why?can anyone answer my question?....
There is only religion which gives answer to all the questions coz it is meant to all the mankind,and it is mentioned in that holy scriptures that in past nations were given different prophets and were given different books but still the message is same,but after the existence of islam all faiths voids itself coz it is clearly mentioned that this religion is meant for all mankind.only those woul be guided who would understand this book of peace.
And no one would be able to prove this book wrong coz there is millions of signs which science is proving and certain have already proved.take an example of embryo,Quran speaks about the embryo that it is leech like substance and it clings,and it was Dr.keith moore of canada who proved this verse of Quran that is word of God and testify that it is word of God.coz it passed the scientific test,and everyone today knows that the early stage of embryo is leech like and it clings and it sucks blood from umbical cord like leech.
There is another sign which science proved that is word of God is that there are two seas in which God has set barrier between them,and scientists came to know that those seas exists and flow together but are not able to mix with each other coz of ther different tastes those are pacific and mediterrean seas.almost all the scientists agreed that this could not be word of any human like some people claims that it was the word of Mohammed may peace be all of the prophets above mentioned and may God please with good people and give them better life and help them in guiding.how a person could be known things exactly like embryo,like barrier between seas or that sun is not stationary or moon hdoesnot have its own light but borrowed from sun,how a person could be known about these things that 1400 years ago who was living in desert and was illiterate.some people try to divert the attention of people and want to them not to understand the truth.Although truth cannot be kept hidden.
There is much to say but i would stop here,and would like to advice people to seek truth and follow right path of faith,do good and have good,deprive yourselves from having any sort of drug, wine,liquor,illegal sex and many others things which leads to disaster of families,lives and careers.
that is why islam restricts all such things coz it recognises the human value.and have given greater respect to womens.It really is religion of peace but few people represents this in a wrong way.we all are logical beings so apply logic and understand things.And one more thing we all are human beings.

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Comments

キセノ空kiseno_sora Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:25:07 AM

Hmm... sometimes something in religion cant be reached by science. And honestly I hate talking about religion. In America and some parts in Europe, religion is something impolite to be discussed.

Jibral_aliRumaan Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:48:47 AM

But i personally believe there is one which can be reached and could be proved by science,although have been proved many mentioned verses in that book which is considered a book of signs.I can provide u many proven examples.

Maria majuska Friday, October 24, 2008 10:01:14 AM

religion is connected with belief which is derrived from believe. I m not trying to prove if God exists or not that s not essential. firstly you have to believe, then God appears to you and then you can understand and you wont ask any evidence
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Jesus didnt need to say: I m God, worship me.

Jibral_aliRumaan Friday, October 24, 2008 10:05:46 AM

i appreciate ur comments but we take jesus only messenger of God not more than that.and if u read ur bible thoroughly you would come to know many scientific errors in it and am able to quote them from ur bible coz i also have read ur bible.there is no doubt God is ONE but jesus or moses both were the messenger of God and came with the same message of truth.

Jibral_aliRumaan Friday, October 24, 2008 10:10:24 AM

yeah i have firm faith in one god and do believe in one God,we cannot challenge the LORD coz when god exists we exists and i can quote many verses which is scientifically proven.
thanx

Maria majuska Friday, October 24, 2008 10:15:43 AM

ok just little comment. Perhaps you had red whole bible,but bible is not for quick reading - it s for deep reflexion and has a lot of parabols which are difficult to understand if you dont know historical context and a lot of writers and rewriters had written it, so it s possible I can say necessary that some things are not exact

Jibral_aliRumaan Friday, October 24, 2008 11:42:22 AM

thats what i want to say that this is written by men of knowledge that is why whole bible could not be word of god e.g there is in genesis father incest with his daughter is this possible,is this thing sholud be in holy book.you wouldnot find like this statement in any other religious books that father incest his daughter.

Maria majuska Saturday, October 25, 2008 4:35:43 PM

tell me the number of paragraf. Apart from Gods word there is history of israelits so you cant tell that God in the bible gives HIs aprove to incest. You cant define what is supposed to be in holy book and what not.

Jibral_aliRumaan Sunday, October 26, 2008 5:36:37 AM

Thatz what am saying,if u really are interested u need to read other religious books

Maria majuska Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:39:31 AM

please tell me the number of paragraph from Bible with incest.

Jibral_aliRumaan Sunday, October 26, 2008 3:17:14 PM

am very pleased to know ur enthusiasm,hey lady its mentioned in old testament in genesis.well i donot know the exact paragraph and the chapter and page no.but i am sure it is from genesis wherein there is mentioned about the incest between father and the daughter and they get sons from their father,and about the noah is mentioned there and the incest chapter follows that.well lady read that whole chapter you would come to know.but if you asking me further i can get the chapter no.for you.thanx a lot.

StaceyGrandmomster Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:57:14 PM

You asked why Jesus died if he is God. Well I believe he is both God and man. Not half and half, fully human and fully God. Death happened because all humans have to die. If he did not die he would not be fully human. If had not raised from the dead he would not be fully God. This is what makes since in my soul. I can not prove it to you. But I believe it, not because I read it or because some once taught this to me, but it just is right for me. I remember the first time I saw a book on this subject. I thumbed through it wondering why anyone who believed in Jesus would need this "fully human fully God" concept explained. For me it just is.

Jibral_aliRumaan Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:09:02 PM

well lady i donot think its logic to say that jesus both fully god and human,I only said it to make this lady understand who asked me,but what i do believe and what our holy book says about jesus the virgin born the he were the human being and never was crucified but God took him to skies and would send him again,same christianss do believe that jesus would come back to this planet same as we do.I myself have read bible and i can prove it from the bible that jesus never claimed that he was god and can prove he was not crucified:D

Maria majuska Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:53:50 PM

He was crucified. There is a lot of evidence - is the same like when some people claim there was no holocaust.Maybre there s no evidence He was God but as grandmomster said we believe it , it s our right. I m persuaded He is God because I feel it.

Jibral_aliRumaan Friday, December 12, 2008 11:35:34 AM

First of all i would like to say that i myself have read bible and i do know well that jesus were not crucified,if He were can you prove it from your holy book thats bible?Although everyone i mean every catholic christian do admit that this book bible is corrupted means not all bible is word of God but many men of knowledge have contributed in it much.
so what came into their minds they recorded that,if you read old testatment you would find that in Genesis there is mentioned daughter made father drank wine and sex with him,can be this word of God?hahahaha|
no never,as protestant christains do believe that jesus not born by virgin mary,But it is muslims who do testsify that mary was virgin and pure.If you read book of mary in Quran you would come to know what Quran speaks about mary and so on.you seems morale lady but if you would say something which has no trace then that cannot be justified.
we do believe there is no God except Allah and we do have proof,can you produce any proof?coz you have said we do believe,we too believe but with proof.If you would read all my blogs with concentration you would come to know that we have many proofs which science testifies.
coz Quran is not corrupted and Allah says in Quran that I will guard it from corruption.Lady islam is the only religion which testify both jesus and moses peace be upon them both,they both were mighty messengers of Allah.And we testify that mary was virgin,and Quran is the only books which speaks about both mary and jesus and about trinity whereas this word doesnot exist anywhere in bible.i could realise that you donot have read your bible fully.And i can say this with confidence,coz there is also mentioned in bible about the advent or coming of another prophet whom which we known as prophet Muhammed and if you are true christian you ahve to believe in prophet Muhamee pbuh and HE is also mentioned by name.
go and check it.One more thing we muslims are not muslims until we wouldnot have faith in jesus pbuh.And if you read whole bible you would come to know that jesus never claimed divinity nor HE has said am god worship me.But HE has used word Father,which means sustainer,he never said in that way which you people do claim,coz we have proof and about this is mentioned in Quran,which is considered one of the Authentic book in world and one of the most readed book in world.And till yet not one could challenge and could proved,but most of the American scientists proved that the signs which is documented in Quran is basic source and authentic source for investigation and for success.And many scientist reverted after they succeeded in their researcher.Thats why islam is the way to success and Gives True idea of God.

Oneness Of Allah
1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.
if you can proven jesus fits the above Quranic verses then we muslims donot have any objection in accepting that jesus is god.

Maria majuska Friday, December 12, 2008 2:45:32 PM

In every christian bible there s written he was cricified by POntius Pilat, maybe you read sth jewish not our bible. if you think you can convert us to islam by giving facts without proofs, you are still talking about, it has no chance for success . Christianity offers you GOd as real mercy and love. I dont have anything opposite your religion. I m not trying to persuade you, because if you live honest life, you still have chance for salvation without being christian What s the main difference between islam and christianity, that christianity doesnt know revenge. THAt s what I like. Dont you need sth more? To be loved? Our God gives us His own Son for our salvation. Who can give you bigger gift from love? Think it of with open mind.

Jibral_aliRumaan Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:19:31 AM

lady you have posed good question indeed,i would like to say that i donot need to introduce truth,coz truth is like light which couldnot be kept hidden.On the one hand you say jesus son of God and on the other hand you have said you do believe jesus is God,dont you think this contradictory, no rational being would use such words which would be contradictory.
And who told you we donot have proofs,this is your mythology,i can prove what i use to say about islam,as compare if you do introspect bible you would find many contradictory and unscientific statements.And i can prove this from your bible.Well what i do have read you know not,but i know well,donot try to under-estimate me,i know well what i speaks,though we love jesus and respect him,as Quran is the only book which speaks about the bible,trinity,mary,jesus and crucification.And if you do have any proof give me reference i have hard copy i would see myself where it is mentioned that jesus were crucified.And word trinity which christians claims.nowhere this word does exist in whole bible.
And this is you another misconception that i want you to convert but we use to say revert,i just want to convey truth,though we are more christians by christians itself coz we obey jesus pbuh.
Go through genesis you would come to know that God has said there is nothing like him,exodus God says donot they know that AM the ONLY,there is nothing like ME,AM their LORD.

StaceyGrandmomster Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:58:45 AM

I know that some words that we Christians use are not in the bible but this does not mean that it contradicts. Even though I believe the bible is the word of God, it has been re written by man many times. This is why it so important to listen to the Spirit of God. The trinity is something that only the spirit can fully understand. No it is not explained in the text of the bible. God in three persons is a mystery of faith. If we can fully understand and explain all with solid proof then why do we need faith? I have faith that what God speaks to me with in my soul is true. Not all that he says is fully understood at all times.

Maria majuska Sunday, December 14, 2008 6:20:00 PM

I think it s nothing cntradictory if we say HE is SOn of God and HE is God. it is logical. We are all sons and daughters of God, that s the difference and mystery of our faith we were made, but he was begotten, ONe in being with Father. Holy spirit as the part of Trinity is spirit of Jesus.

Maria majuska Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:02:01 PM

and if you testify that Mary was virgin then WHo was His father? HAve you seen any other example, where virgin has prophet?

Jibral_aliRumaan Monday, December 15, 2008 3:02:58 PM

lady i asked you to give me reference i myself would see coz i do have hard copy,i want you to refer me in which verse it is mentioned.And give me reference of trinity where it is mentioned in bible.
And by saying that you are try to deviate,you are catholic christian atleast you should have faith over that mary was virgin,well i donot know about you whether you can prove it from bible or not but i can prove it from Quranic verses that mary was virgin and Jesus has had no father but that was one of the miracle of Lord of Heavens and universe.
God is not begotten nor begetten with,there is nothing like HIM.
you once again should read your bible thouroughly then should discuss things coz you donot know much about your religion,sorry to say this,coz i have read bible.both old and new testament.

StaceyGrandmomster Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:33:18 AM

Rumaan, Why do you think I have not read the bible. You should not assume these things. You tend to see the truth as only you want it to be. All of humans do this, but I think we should be careful with what we claim to know. I am not one to hold knowledge over another and there for find no reason to argue with you when you say "you know what it says". If you claim to know all that is in the bible then why do you question me? I am not going to argue with you if that is what you want I'm sorry.
I will talk to you about any reference you have question about. Ask what you want to know or say what you want to say, but there is no reason to say you know the answer already and expect me to argue.
As far as Mary... Yes I agree she remained a virgin. That Jesus was not a result of a relationship she shared with a man. So please explain why you see this, but you do not believe Jesus is God? This I don't understand. I do believe in the Holy Trinity, one God in three persons. Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
My faith;
"The Nicene Creed"
We believe I one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
The only Son of God
eternally be gotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God,
be gotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
He came down from heaven:
By the power of the Holy Spirit
He was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
He suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
In fulfillment of the scriptures;
He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in the one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Maria majuska Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:37:27 PM

Matthew 27:38 (New International Version)

38Two robbers were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left.
that s for reference to crucifion, in all 4 evangelium MAtthew, mark, Luke, JOhn is mentioned crufixition, maybenot exactly with words crucifixion, but there is story about his cross, journey to death, ..
I would like to ask what is written in quaran? Jesus lived and died? Why GOD made this miracle that he was born of the virgin MAry? Do you know difference between christianity and judaism? Jews are still waiting for Mesaiah- Savior, because rich priests of Jesus's age paid soldiers to spread that Jesus was stolen from His Tomb. Old testament is common for both religion, there are a lot of mentions that God will give Saviour for izraelits. The most of prophets predicted coming of Jesus even , Isaiah, Eliah- because life on Earth wouldnt have had any sense without waiting for salviation beacase our father Adam and mother Eva was expelled from paradise. Beacause of God s Mercy we got chance to live forever by sending us Saviour - His Son . THen tell me with all honour to Mohammed what was his task here on the Earth? All prophets said be obedient, faithful to God,,dont make sins, God will take care of you ...

Jibral_aliRumaan Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:06:26 PM

Thanx for asking me such a beautiful and nice question and i appreciate you gave me chance to explain why Muhammed was then sent to humans.
First of all Quran speaks about the MUHAMMED PBUH that both jews and christians have given knowledge that last prophet will come in chapter three verse 9 - 12.
second bible says that robbers were crucified with him,with whom?there is not clearly mentioned that jesus were crucified.But Quran says in chapter 4 that jesus pbuh were not crucified but jesus ascend to heaven alive with God permission.Means God took him alive and will send him back so that he could show people that He is not god but prophet of God and are human like others.
Yeah it is mentioned in Quran that jesus will be send again to earth but not to preach but as follower of PROPHET MUHAMMED peace be upon both.
We also believe in mesiah.But not the story u have given.
And you do have asked about miracle,so who gave you right to ask God why you making miracles.HE created us not we created HIM,HE is our master,HE can do anything.And we donot have right to ask HIM why.
Moses and jesus were send like john,noah,adam,ismael,and so on,to their people and to their nation,as Quran says but the MUHAMMED peace be upon them all were sent to mercy to all mankind.
Lastly you have said what task Prphet MUHAMMED pbuh were given,He too were given same message that God is One and there is none like HIM.But what makes HIM different from other prophets that HE were given this BOOk Quran in which there is not corruption but in others corruption does exist.Men of knowledge have contributed lot in writing bible and other book.And this book were given in arabic which makes it different coz God HIMSELF say that gather your all companions and produce truth like this if you are truthful,if you are unable to produce such book then produce like one chapter,if you still cannot,then produce single verse like it.
And i neednot to introduce truth coz God whom likes gives guidance,but my job is to convey truth and there is no need to be annoy,if you really want to know the role of prophet MUHAMMED pbuh then i strongly would advice you that do read Quran once as book and i you would find anything wrong in it,then whatever you would say i would accept.

Jibral_aliRumaan Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:14:41 PM

Dear stacey trinity doesnot exist anywhere in bible not it is mentioned in bible anywhere,But it is mentioned in Quran chapter 4,Allah says that donot use to say trinity coz there is nothing like ME.AM not beggetted nor begotten.We als do believe in gabrael as strongest angel of God but not the way you have said.We love and respect jesus and we cannot be true muslims until we wouldnot love,respect and do believe that jesus the mighty messenger of God.In last what you have said same we do believe life after death and day of judgement means resurrection and everyone has to give account of his/her deeds.

Jibral_aliRumaan Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:18:06 PM

@mujasa Quran chapter two verse 140 says.
140. Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah. Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah. but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!

Jibral_aliRumaan Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:18:32 PM

@mujasa Quran chapter two verse 140 says.
140. Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah. Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah. but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do! Means they too were given books.

Jibral_aliRumaan Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:21:28 PM

majusa,
Quran says further chapter 2 verse 146-148

146. The people of the Book know this as they know their own sons; but some of them conceal the truth which they themselves know.
147. The Truth is from thy Lord; so be not at all in doubt.
148. To each is a goal to which Allah turns him; then strive together (as in a race) Towards all that is good. Wheresoever ye are, Allah will bring you Together. For Allah Hath power over all things.
the people of books eans jews and christians coz they too were given books.And they were given messengers too.

Maria majuska Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:07:40 PM

I mnot sure if you have read whole bible, if yes then maybe not carefully. if you consider all testimonies of prophets you will see that there s nothing new on message of Muhammed except bringing quaran - maybe he used only similar words but with same sense . I can feel little bit, you are not prepared for dialog. I think only one problem is that you find words true only if you see it written directly, but we are supposed to use our brain to connect related things .Whole new testament of bible is devoted to Jesus s life on Earth, there is no need for His name to be mentioned in every sentence. I know I m just a woman, but I m looking for truth and my religion give me sufficient answer for important questions.I still donot understand everything, but I m not student of religion, if I have difficult question in my heart, I m going to friends - priests, who are scientists. If islam give you the same, then what s the problem? I dont want you to be insulted but your arguments are not authentical. it s like I ve got my truth and none else can be true, because I study religion... Thank you for your answers.I wish you nice looking for truth. If I wasn very polite, than I m asking for forgivenes. You ve got my prayers.

Jibral_aliRumaan Wednesday, December 17, 2008 2:08:58 PM

I welocme your comments,But i would like to mention what makes different prophet Muhammed pbuh,thats HE were given divine preordainment,were given whole earth for worship,HE were given this book Quran,HE were sent for whole mankind although other prophets were sent to their nations only.
HE were given the leadership of all the messengers,HE were gifted many miracle which no other prophet were given before and all the above mentioned no other prophet were given before.HE were shown everything in skies and in heavens which no other prophet were shown before.And many other things,i can answer you well but i would prefer you to read yourself like as book.Like as i do read other religions,for your infformation am student of management and have done masters in economics.but it is needed to understand religion and right concept of ONE GOD,coz i do read religious books of almost all religions that why i do call myself student of comparative religion though am not taking any degree from any university but its right of everyone to know more and more about religion rather than to know from others,or seek answer for queries you have its better to search yourself coz it unveils scientific truths as well.If you do read Quran you would find many scientific facts,signs,truth and you would come to know.Rest is upto you and itf it would give you pleasure to insult me or abuse me,go ahead i wouldnot be angry if it pleases you and i would be luck to welcome your comments and anger.If you do have any though i donot want to hurt anyone religion belief here.But i do respect your religion as well.
thanx a lot.

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