Foxes - Some FAQ

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Answers to some questions which have been posted on my Youtube page etc

Do foxes make cool pets?

In a word: no. I've fostered 10 cubs and cared for several adults in rehab, and there is no way that I'd keep one as a housepet. The very characteristics that make them so fascinating as wildlife lend them tornado-like qualities within a confined environment.

It's true that there have been experiments 'domesticating' foxes in Russia, but there are many animal welfare concerns. We have already domesticated numerous species and the outcome hasn't been good. Dogs and cats are killed by the million because we've over-bred them. Horses, cattle and chickens suffer from diseases that their wild relatives never knew. It would be much better to sort out the existing problems before trying to tame something else.

Real, unmodified foxes - the ones on this blog - just wouldn't work as pets. There are 300 breeds of domestic dog, most of which will form a strong bond with their owner and be happy about doing so. Foxes belong in the wild.

Can I feed foxes?

In North America - no.
In the UK - if in doubt, please don't.

Many British people enjoy feeding their garden foxes, and often it doesn't do much harm - in the UK. Sometimes, though, the provision of food will lead to locally high fox numbers, turning the neighbours against wildlife. Hand-feeding foxes should always be avoided because it leads to nuisance begging behaviours, which may end in the foxes being killed, or at least cause bad PR. The general advice to keep quantities low, and never encourage them to enter a house.

In North America, it's very different. Feeding wildlife in parks frequently leads to the animal being shot as a safety risk, and urban wildlife doesn't fare much better. The tolerance of 'bold' wildlife (including foxes) by authorities is much lower than in Europe, which compounds the problem; black bears, in particular, are often shot when they are not actually presenting a risk, but coyotes and wolves can and do bite people after getting accustomed to receiving handouts. It's not fun for the victim, and the resulting news stories don't do conservation a lot of good.

Even in cities, providing food or failing to secure garbage can cause conflicts with rats, feral cats, raccoons and skunks.

How can I treat a fox with mange?

Sarcoptic mange is a skin disease that is fairly common in foxes and coyotes. It is caused by a mite and results in progressive fur loss. In extreme cases it can be fatal due to hypothermia or secondary skin infections. However, it is easily treated - provided the fox cooperates. Treatments such as ivermectin can be provided in food (where this is appropriate), or the fox can be captured and given medicine in a wildlife rehab centre. I've seen successful outcomes both ways. Some charities are listed here.

There are several wildlife groups that offer a homeopathic remedy. I realise that the topic of 'alternative' medicine is rather heated, but from a scientific perspective, there is no benefit and a large degree of risk - not from the substance, which is diluted out of existence, but from failing to provide credible treatment to an animal which is in pain and potentially dying. The use of homeopathy in such circumstances is unethical.

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Comments

der WandersmannderWandersmann Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:16:46 PM

Originally posted by sittingfox:

Even in cities, providing food or failing to secure garbage can cause conflicts with rats, feral cats, raccoons and skunks.


AND ... the law.

Besides, we humans make enough food litter about the place by casting things away carelessly that there's really very little need to feed strays. Face it: we're slobs, collectively.

A cautionary tale: One of my years in the College Dorm, one of the lads (a New York City Jewish boy whose experience with animals stopped with the baby turtles one used to buy with painted shells) conceived the brilliant idea that it would be "super cool" to have a pet fox in his room. Somehow, he acquired a young fox and a dog crate to keep him in. A handsome young animal, but after a few days, even the authorities became suspicious of the foul odors emanating from the general area of the room, and they required admittance. The room smelled like something had died in it, and everything was topsy-turvy (apparently he had let the fox out a few times for exercise). Last I heard, the fox was spending his time in the Lincoln Park Zoo, with others of his kind, the kid was out whatever money he had paid for the animal and the cage, there was a "NO PETS! This means you!" clause in the dorm rules, and the original provider of the animal was fighting a lawsuit about a fine for violation of several city and state ordinances.

MORAL: Foxes do not make particularly good pets.

Darkogdare Sunday, August 19, 2012 11:27:52 PM

The needed to kill 3 black bears in Menning park, BC two weeks ago. Too many ignorant tourists who find interesting to feed them doh

der WandersmannderWandersmann Monday, August 20, 2012 12:59:05 AM

That's common in Yellowstone, too. Luckily, Yellowstone is pretty big, so pesky bears can be moved long distances away from tourists. Violent bears are usually killed, though, especially if they've attacked someone.
As a cautionary note about bears ... women are very likely to be attacked if they are menstruating, and a number of them have been killed. Apparently the bears think that anything that bleeds is food.

Adele BrandSittingFox Monday, August 20, 2012 7:27:58 AM

@DW -

Originally posted by derWandersmann:

MORAL: Foxes do not make particularly good pets.



Thanks for sharing that. Vulpine whirlwinds in a flat is the stuff of horrors yikes It's very lucky that there was a zoo place for the fox. Too many failed exotic pets end up being put down. Nobody who understands fox personalities wants one as a pet, and the 'I've got a unique pet' thing doesn't last. When I was living on Vancouver Island, a man basically abducted a wild deer fawn and gave it to his children. After three days, the novelty had worn off and they hardly even bothered to say goodbye to it (I got it to a rehab centre).

Originally posted by derWandersmann:

As a cautionary note about bears



That idea grew out of some press speculation following a couple of attacks some decades ago, I believe. But the topic has been heavily reviewed and there's no scientific evidence to suggest that grizzlies and black bears are likely to attack menstruating women. There is some reason to believe that polar bears might, but the average hiker isn't going to trip over those.

Adele BrandSittingFox Monday, August 20, 2012 7:28:12 AM

@Erwin - thanks! smile

Adele BrandSittingFox Monday, August 20, 2012 7:39:00 AM

@Darko - that's sad, and actually I doubt that the bears really needed to be killed. Some jurisdications are very quick to use lethal control. Feeding black bears is bad because it encourages them to hang around in places where they might come to harm or inflict begging bites on people, but there is no evidence that it turns them into man-eaters. Quite the contrary, actually. But a grizzly's reaction to food is different - get between it and something it values, and it won't be nice.

Grizzlies charge in defence of cubs and food. Black bears don't; they send their cubs up a tree if threatened. The majority of fatal grizzly attacks are defensive. Virtually all fatal black bear attacks are carried out by wilderness bears that are attacking for predatory reasons. Unfortunately, authorities continue to print utter nonsense, mixing up the behaviour of the two species, failing to punish people who are lazy with garbage, and killing bears without need.

For example, while we're told over and over that bears must keep their 'natural fear' for our safety, it's actually been discovered that grizzlies who see people regularly are *less* likely to charge. Unfortunately, bear management is mostly about avoiding any possibility of being sued. Yes, they're wild animals and I never go hiking without bear spray and I keep a sane distance, especially from grizzlies - but there has to be a more sensible approach than the one followed by most North American authorities. /endrant

As for the tourists who put bears (and coyotes and wolves) in danger through feeding them - they really need to get a grip.

der WandersmannderWandersmann Monday, August 20, 2012 3:51:09 PM

What sort of bear spray do you carry, Adele? The folk I've talked to swear by the UDAPP product, and I carry it myself, in really wild country. I also carry a large calibre revolver, though I've never had to use either. It's much more sensible to avoid trouble than to get out of trouble.

Adele BrandSittingFox Monday, August 20, 2012 4:46:29 PM

I cannot remember the precise make, to be honest; I cannot fly it home so I either buy a canister on each trip to bear country or borrow it from local friends. The closest I've come to using it was on a dog rolleyes None of the bears or cougars I've seen have shown any threatening behaviour whatsoever.

Originally posted by derWandersmann:

It's much more sensible to avoid trouble than to get out of trouble.



Absolutely. I wear a seatbeat when driving, but that doesn't mean I think it's okay to try North Downs roads at 90mph wink No amount of bear spray is a substitute for respect and common sense.

Words Monday, August 20, 2012 9:58:25 PM

Excellent post!

Stardancer Monday, August 20, 2012 11:28:54 PM

Great information, Adele.

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Adele BrandSittingFox Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:42:35 AM

@Words - thanks smile There's been a lot of talk about pet foxes on my Youtube videos lately.

Adele BrandSittingFox Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:42:51 AM

@Star - smile

Jenny Jonesmountainlion_wales Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:03:10 PM

Good answers smile

Adele BrandSittingFox Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:42:20 AM

smile

ERWINWulpen Friday, October 19, 2012 7:30:44 PM

Interesting Post

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