Ol' Charlie Rogers Rambles - Religion
Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:53:19 PM
People divide.
This much is known. We need a "them or us" kinda way of thinkin' so we can unite against a common enemy.
Some say that's purpose. Others say it's just a conduit for the hate that humans carry around inside 'em.
Way I see it, there's more than just a divide.
See now, we'll start off with religion. Sore subject for most folk, sure. People have their beliefs and so many hold them so damn tight because they're afraid they're gonna blow away in the wind. That's why whenever a challenge comes along, you'll find these supposed peace-lovin' God-fearin' folk turn nasty as you can expect from a common bandit.
'Course, they're not all like that. There's them with that "live and let live" way of thinkin'. Not just on the surface, condemning all those that believe somethin' different deep inside, I mean those either secure in their faith or just sensible 'nough to realise that life on Earth is meant to be lived, not spent lookin' at the heavens tryin' to figure out answers as old as man while their fellers suffer before sky-blind eyes.
Then you got your non-believers, and they have two basic types.
Your first guy mocks the believers, friendly or no. He believes himself above those taken in by the need to believe in an afterlife. He'll bait and goad the believer, belivin' him to be nothin' more than a fool. Cursin' mankind's stupidity, all that riot. Mostly there's part of him jealous of the believer for his capacity to believe, you ask me.
Your second guy's much like that peaceful believer I was talkin' about not too long ago. He's fine with anyone's personal opinion and doesn't look on 'em any less just for havin' a whole different outlook on life.
That's just how people treat each other as far as faith goes.
What about how they live?
I've met a lot of people in my life. I've lived a long time, and an eventful one at that.
I've met believers who do good things. Talkin' sugar and handin' out pretty favours for strange folk around, and I've asked, "why?" Nine times outta ten, person's scared of their god. They wanna get to heaven, scared of hell, n satan. They don't want their asses to boil in the fires of hell so they'll treat everyone like some kinda royalty all while secretly resentin' those folk. Cause they're scared, is all.
Then you got those more pious than-thou believers. They figure they believe more than any damn person else in the world, so the world oughta recognise that greatness. Maybe not, maybe they're instead the type just run around ignorin' pleas from their fellow man, or rapin', stealin', lyin' murderin' or nature knows what else because they can just rinse and repent.
Then you got your nonbeliever who figures life's too short to be nice. Nothin' after death but a pretty hole in the ground if ya lucky, so why not just do whatever you want and damn anyone else, because what's the point if this is all there is?
Then, somethin' else in entirety.
The nonbeliever who's good to his fellow man. Not 'cause he's scared of ultimate penance. Not a con-man or hustler lookin' for rewards.
Just is. You ask him why and he'll tell you that it's simply "the way he wants to live. The right thing to do."
Now, I ain't gone and told ya which one of these four I am. Or even if I fit into one of them categories.
Nature knows there's more than four types of folk out there.
Far as I see it, doesn't really matter one way or 'nother.
Ain't nothin' you can prove, religion or otherwise. People make up their minds based on what they see and what they think. My truth and your truth, well, they're probably two whole different animals.
Truth never comes into it. It don't exist, 'cause truth's a relative thing, friend.
This much is known. We need a "them or us" kinda way of thinkin' so we can unite against a common enemy.
Some say that's purpose. Others say it's just a conduit for the hate that humans carry around inside 'em.
Way I see it, there's more than just a divide.
See now, we'll start off with religion. Sore subject for most folk, sure. People have their beliefs and so many hold them so damn tight because they're afraid they're gonna blow away in the wind. That's why whenever a challenge comes along, you'll find these supposed peace-lovin' God-fearin' folk turn nasty as you can expect from a common bandit.
'Course, they're not all like that. There's them with that "live and let live" way of thinkin'. Not just on the surface, condemning all those that believe somethin' different deep inside, I mean those either secure in their faith or just sensible 'nough to realise that life on Earth is meant to be lived, not spent lookin' at the heavens tryin' to figure out answers as old as man while their fellers suffer before sky-blind eyes.
Then you got your non-believers, and they have two basic types.
Your first guy mocks the believers, friendly or no. He believes himself above those taken in by the need to believe in an afterlife. He'll bait and goad the believer, belivin' him to be nothin' more than a fool. Cursin' mankind's stupidity, all that riot. Mostly there's part of him jealous of the believer for his capacity to believe, you ask me.
Your second guy's much like that peaceful believer I was talkin' about not too long ago. He's fine with anyone's personal opinion and doesn't look on 'em any less just for havin' a whole different outlook on life.
That's just how people treat each other as far as faith goes.
What about how they live?
I've met a lot of people in my life. I've lived a long time, and an eventful one at that.
I've met believers who do good things. Talkin' sugar and handin' out pretty favours for strange folk around, and I've asked, "why?" Nine times outta ten, person's scared of their god. They wanna get to heaven, scared of hell, n satan. They don't want their asses to boil in the fires of hell so they'll treat everyone like some kinda royalty all while secretly resentin' those folk. Cause they're scared, is all.
Then you got those more pious than-thou believers. They figure they believe more than any damn person else in the world, so the world oughta recognise that greatness. Maybe not, maybe they're instead the type just run around ignorin' pleas from their fellow man, or rapin', stealin', lyin' murderin' or nature knows what else because they can just rinse and repent.
Then you got your nonbeliever who figures life's too short to be nice. Nothin' after death but a pretty hole in the ground if ya lucky, so why not just do whatever you want and damn anyone else, because what's the point if this is all there is?
Then, somethin' else in entirety.
The nonbeliever who's good to his fellow man. Not 'cause he's scared of ultimate penance. Not a con-man or hustler lookin' for rewards.
Just is. You ask him why and he'll tell you that it's simply "the way he wants to live. The right thing to do."
Now, I ain't gone and told ya which one of these four I am. Or even if I fit into one of them categories.
Nature knows there's more than four types of folk out there.
Far as I see it, doesn't really matter one way or 'nother.
Ain't nothin' you can prove, religion or otherwise. People make up their minds based on what they see and what they think. My truth and your truth, well, they're probably two whole different animals.
Truth never comes into it. It don't exist, 'cause truth's a relative thing, friend.








Bad WolfCois # Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:25:10 PM
Mad Scientistqlue # Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:05:01 PM
Gavin Tripp-Sheedygarlingmatthews # Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:54:20 PM
KYrenKYren # Sunday, July 18, 2010 5:02:20 AM
Darkogdare # Sunday, July 18, 2010 9:10:37 AM
At the end, our deeds do the talking. More than anything else we could say
Martin K™Aqualion # Sunday, July 18, 2010 5:49:05 PM
Spaggyj # Sunday, July 18, 2010 8:36:13 PM
Gavin, as said, there are more than four types. You make a good point of the other type of non-belief - something I've considered myself. Thing is, I wanted the types even. And the story, short. Also based on first-hand personal one-on-one experiences rather than simply my musings on the types of people I haven't met
Clint, don't worry about it lol
Gavin Tripp-Sheedygarlingmatthews # Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:03:28 PM
Spaggyj # Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:09:22 PM
Gavin Tripp-Sheedygarlingmatthews # Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:15:09 PM
Martin K™Aqualion # Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:34:46 PM
Spaggyj # Monday, July 19, 2010 6:16:27 AM
Martin - that's so true. The saying, "ignorance is bliss" is not meaningless as far as I see it.
Bad WolfCois # Monday, July 19, 2010 7:41:56 AM
Second time around you got a smile out of me..and not a weird smile.
FlaRin # Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:41:41 AM
Originally posted by Kimmie:
...'sky-blind eyes'...where the fuck do you get these breath-taking flashes of pure, blinding insight, talent, taste and sense, Kimmie?? Fuck I'm just...I mean - you're a bright red poppy standing head & shoulders above a field of grey, Kimmie. Thanks, man(pardon my gutter esperanto)
FlaRin # Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:46:56 AM
Spaggyj # Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:24:24 AM
Hey, thanks Flarin. Glad you enjoyed. I'm a bit of a... What's the word? Well I don't know, but I like to put something poetic in even the most banal of stories. My poetry writing is not so good any more, but there's still some of that kind of spark left I guess. "puppy and greyhounds"
I'm surprised this is so well liked. It's certainly not one of my best.
KYrenKYren # Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:22:39 PM
r♡serose-marie # Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:44:17 PM
Still - I'm left wondering... why am I reading this story with (what I suppose is) a thick, southern american accent?
FlaRin # Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:57:40 PM
Spaggyj # Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:59:50 PM
Rose, I think these are the most common types of people within this category. There are, of course, many others, but they are more complex and far more rare in my experience.
You're reading this in a thick, southern drawl because, astute Rosie, Ol' Charlie boy is an old southern fella
Flarin, I do not know who this Nick Cave is - I will do a little Googling later. It's funny, I've not really written that many short stories but they tend to differ in style quite greatly most of the time. I suppose that comes from my particular personality and rapid mood changes.
Dacotah # Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:55:45 PM
Don't know what one I'd fit into.
I just know I am a believer but also open to others people's believes and non believes.
Respect others believes or non believes.
I think if everyone would learn to respect how others believe then we'd be better off. Sighs.
Spaggyj # Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:11:14 PM
Dacotah # Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:18:43 PM
I hate making mistakes.
Spaggyj # Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:01:14 PM
Dacotah # Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:06:46 PM
Gavin Tripp-Sheedygarlingmatthews # Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:49:38 PM
r♡serose-marie # Friday, July 23, 2010 8:01:15 AM
Originally posted by Spaggyj:
Ah, so it wasn't just me then.