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Ol' Charlie Rogers Rambles - Religion

People divide.
This much is known. We need a "them or us" kinda way of thinkin' so we can unite against a common enemy.
Some say that's purpose. Others say it's just a conduit for the hate that humans carry around inside 'em.

Way I see it, there's more than just a divide.

See now, we'll start off with religion. Sore subject for most folk, sure. People have their beliefs and so many hold them so damn tight because they're afraid they're gonna blow away in the wind. That's why whenever a challenge comes along, you'll find these supposed peace-lovin' God-fearin' folk turn nasty as you can expect from a common bandit.

'Course, they're not all like that. There's them with that "live and let live" way of thinkin'. Not just on the surface, condemning all those that believe somethin' different deep inside, I mean those either secure in their faith or just sensible 'nough to realise that life on Earth is meant to be lived, not spent lookin' at the heavens tryin' to figure out answers as old as man while their fellers suffer before sky-blind eyes.

Then you got your non-believers, and they have two basic types.

Your first guy mocks the believers, friendly or no. He believes himself above those taken in by the need to believe in an afterlife. He'll bait and goad the believer, belivin' him to be nothin' more than a fool. Cursin' mankind's stupidity, all that riot. Mostly there's part of him jealous of the believer for his capacity to believe, you ask me.

Your second guy's much like that peaceful believer I was talkin' about not too long ago. He's fine with anyone's personal opinion and doesn't look on 'em any less just for havin' a whole different outlook on life.

That's just how people treat each other as far as faith goes.

What about how they live?

I've met a lot of people in my life. I've lived a long time, and an eventful one at that.
I've met believers who do good things. Talkin' sugar and handin' out pretty favours for strange folk around, and I've asked, "why?" Nine times outta ten, person's scared of their god. They wanna get to heaven, scared of hell, n satan. They don't want their asses to boil in the fires of hell so they'll treat everyone like some kinda royalty all while secretly resentin' those folk. Cause they're scared, is all.

Then you got those more pious than-thou believers. They figure they believe more than any damn person else in the world, so the world oughta recognise that greatness. Maybe not, maybe they're instead the type just run around ignorin' pleas from their fellow man, or rapin', stealin', lyin' murderin' or nature knows what else because they can just rinse and repent.

Then you got your nonbeliever who figures life's too short to be nice. Nothin' after death but a pretty hole in the ground if ya lucky, so why not just do whatever you want and damn anyone else, because what's the point if this is all there is?

Then, somethin' else in entirety.
The nonbeliever who's good to his fellow man. Not 'cause he's scared of ultimate penance. Not a con-man or hustler lookin' for rewards.
Just is. You ask him why and he'll tell you that it's simply "the way he wants to live. The right thing to do."

Now, I ain't gone and told ya which one of these four I am. Or even if I fit into one of them categories.
Nature knows there's more than four types of folk out there.

Far as I see it, doesn't really matter one way or 'nother.
Ain't nothin' you can prove, religion or otherwise. People make up their minds based on what they see and what they think. My truth and your truth, well, they're probably two whole different animals.
Truth never comes into it. It don't exist, 'cause truth's a relative thing, friend.

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Comments

Bad WolfCois Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:25:10 PM

I think I'll read this again tomorrow as somehow I got lost somewhere. left

Mad Scientistqlue Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:05:01 PM

Brilliant! happy.

Gavin Tripp-Sheedygarlingmatthews Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:54:20 PM

I'd even say that that there are two types of non-belief. One doesn't believe in any universal answer, because they don't believe that they have the knowledge necessary to make an informed decision; and then there's non-belief in religion, atheist, which is still defining your beliefs against a religion or religions.

KYrenKYren Sunday, July 18, 2010 5:02:20 AM

heart

Darkogdare Sunday, July 18, 2010 9:10:37 AM

I like to think of myself as the one who belong to last group. But then again, everyone wants to believe he/she is a good person. I bet some of the worse tyrants did left
At the end, our deeds do the talking. More than anything else we could say up

Martin K™Aqualion Sunday, July 18, 2010 5:49:05 PM

Just went and wrote yourself a damn good little story there.

Spaggyj Sunday, July 18, 2010 8:36:13 PM

I'm glad it is liked. And that it provokes thought and debate too up . I've not written anything anything anywhere near as decent as one story about two years ago, though. I think I kinda hit a great note on that and then back to ok.
Gavin, as said, there are more than four types. You make a good point of the other type of non-belief - something I've considered myself. Thing is, I wanted the types even. And the story, short. Also based on first-hand personal one-on-one experiences rather than simply my musings on the types of people I haven't met smile .
Clint, don't worry about it lol

Gavin Tripp-Sheedygarlingmatthews Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:03:28 PM

Fair enough. smile It was on my mind because I've been thinking about it lately. Why do we acre so much about what other people believe?

Spaggyj Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:09:22 PM

Because we need to be told what to do and how to think so we can form our own opinions on that. Without input from multiple other sources we'd have nothing much to ponder upon.

Gavin Tripp-Sheedygarlingmatthews Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:15:09 PM

Mm, we're definitely a part of a larger thinking process; but after the process has started, we get really worked up about where it's taken other people. It's like, we take it so far, form a conclusion, and after that, no-one is allowed to alter it, and we don't like it when they come to a different conclusion. It's very strange behaviour. Are we afraid of being wrong?

Martin K™Aqualion Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:34:46 PM

And yet, often wisdom gets in the way of freedom. The more you know, the lesser freedom you have, because wisdom will provide you with the ability to see the difference between good and bad acts, thus limiting the number of choices you have in any given situation. Only a person with no knowledge whatsoever can claim to be absolutely free - except, the poor sod would propably not even know that he was free.

Spaggyj Monday, July 19, 2010 6:16:27 AM

Gavin, that's precisely my opinion. People are very afraid to be wrong as far as I see it. That's the thing about faith, I suppose. It's not solid, because there's no inconclusive proof one way or another. So people fight tooth and nail to defend something they believe in.

Martin - that's so true. The saying, "ignorance is bliss" is not meaningless as far as I see it.

Bad WolfCois Monday, July 19, 2010 7:41:56 AM

I was tired when I first read it and skipped a bit so nothing made sense awww.
Second time around you got a smile out of me..and not a weird smile. p

FlaRin Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:41:41 AM

Originally posted by Kimmie:

...those either secure in their faith or just sensible 'nough to realise that life on Earth is meant to be lived, not spent lookin' at the heavens tryin' to figure out answers as old as man while their fellers suffer before sky-blind eyes.

...'sky-blind eyes'...where the fuck do you get these breath-taking flashes of pure, blinding insight, talent, taste and sense, Kimmie?? Fuck I'm just...I mean - you're a bright red poppy standing head & shoulders above a field of grey, Kimmie. Thanks, man smile Those are the most fantastic words I've read for fucking ages bigsmile

(pardon my gutter esperanto)

FlaRin Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:46:56 AM

..or a bright red puppy standing head & shoulders above a field of greyhounds. Take your pick smile

Spaggyj Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:24:24 AM

Why a smile, Clint?

Hey, thanks Flarin. Glad you enjoyed. I'm a bit of a... What's the word? Well I don't know, but I like to put something poetic in even the most banal of stories. My poetry writing is not so good any more, but there's still some of that kind of spark left I guess. "puppy and greyhounds" lol .
I'm surprised this is so well liked. It's certainly not one of my best.

KYrenKYren Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:22:39 PM

I love this post.

r♡serose-marie Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:44:17 PM

Very interesting. I started thinking about whether I have met all these kinds of people. And I think I have.

Still - I'm left wondering... why am I reading this story with (what I suppose is) a thick, southern american accent?

FlaRin Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:57:40 PM

Kimmie, your writing reminds me of Nick Cave, more than anyone else. A very particular and acute talent, when you get the feeling to express it up

Spaggyj Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:59:50 PM

I'm glad you like it so much Kiran.

Rose, I think these are the most common types of people within this category. There are, of course, many others, but they are more complex and far more rare in my experience.
You're reading this in a thick, southern drawl because, astute Rosie, Ol' Charlie boy is an old southern fella bigsmile .

Flarin, I do not know who this Nick Cave is - I will do a little Googling later. It's funny, I've not really written that many short stories but they tend to differ in style quite greatly most of the time. I suppose that comes from my particular personality and rapid mood changes.

Dacotah Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:55:45 PM

Interesting post Kimmie.
Don't know what one I'd fit into.
I just know I am a believer but also open to others people's believes and non believes.
Respect others believes or non believes.
I think if everyone would learn to respect how others believe then we'd be better off. Sighs.

Spaggyj Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:11:14 PM

Yes, without a doubt humanity would be better off if we allowed and respected others to believe what they may.

Dacotah Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:18:43 PM

I just know it sucks to be human.
I hate making mistakes.

Spaggyj Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:01:14 PM

Without mistakes, we would not learn smile

Dacotah Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:06:46 PM

I guess so.

Gavin Tripp-Sheedygarlingmatthews Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:49:38 PM

There are no mistakes, only choices.

r♡serose-marie Friday, July 23, 2010 8:01:15 AM

Originally posted by Spaggyj:

Ol' Charlie boy is an old southern fella

Ah, so it wasn't just me then. bigsmile

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