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I hate internationalization

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I hate *DUMB* internationalization, I really, seriously, fantastically hate it.

I hate google for it just as well as I hate thepiratebay for it. And they're some of the sites for humans - there are others that are unreasonably stupid.

I fail to understand who was the first person that came up with the brilliant idea to offer internationalized versions of their web systems based on the IP/host of the user. I'm sure it's convenient to easily catch the majority of the population of country X and automatically offer it version in language X, when they browse your site. But I'm not from country X, even though I've happened to live in X, Y and Z for the past few years and none of them were a place where I was fluent in the language. Sure - it's my own fault for not speaking it, but that doesn't exactly justify you throwing at me a page full of incomprehensible gibberish. No offence X, Y and Z - you're alright. The guys that made your page just weren't on a plane often enough.

And you know what - I don't even want the web in my native language. When I started using it there wasn't much in my native language. And I'm not even that old, give me a break. I want the web in English, I'm perfectly happy with that and I'll be juuuust fine, even if you don't throw me some language I've spoken for 4-5 years more than English. I have language preferences in my web-browser, that send those nice and convenient HTTP headers, but I've yet to see someone using them as they should. If I wanted the website in Zulu, I'd tell you so myself and I'd hope you can give me that.

Please, people, think when you design things. If you'll be throwing at me random pages, based on where in the world I might be at the current moment - at least have the decency to offer me an easy way to click and change language. Make it obvious. Put a picture on it, do something, anything. At least put the link for changing the language in something more visible and comprehensible than whatever you spell "language" in your tongue.

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Comments

Vetle Roeim 30. October 2007, 18:41

IP address-based string localization is a classic FAIL in web applications.
I can't understand why Google, of all companies, haven't fixed this... There must be some rationale behind it, but I fail to see it. Ok, they're US centric, but they have employees from all corners of the world. Someone must have commented on this.

dharma the one 11. November 2007, 23:12

im not sure, but i thing google choose the language based on what your browser is set up for... for example i have set up Opera for prefered languages in slovak and i live in france and google apears for me in slovak language...
this does not mean that i do not hate google...
yes, i do, but for other reasons... :-)

Anton Tsigularov 11. November 2007, 23:51

You'd think so, but not really, no. Because default Opera installs come with only en and en-us defined, and I surely have no norwegian in the list. And the moment I proxy it through, say Germay, it's immediatelly in german.

Furthermore - the funny people have additional issues with their serviced sharing settings. Because I took care to set it up so when I'm logged in, it's in english. But for example docs doesn't share that, so it pops up in norwegian when I open it. Argh.

I'm afraid to think what'll happen at the next weird airport I decide to open up a chat.

dharma the one 20. November 2007, 20:31

no, you dont understand... this is not about the LOCALIZATION of opera... this is about the settings of opera as PREFERED LANGUGE ON SITES...
it is in tools - settings - general - choose prefered language of websites

Anton Tsigularov 20. November 2007, 20:51

That's my point. I'm talking about exactly those settings that neatly translate into HTTP accept-language headers, that apparently almost noone cares to read. For them my IP is so much better indication of what I'm supposed to be able to understand.

As I said - I'm sure it initially was thought of by a person that never got on a plane to a foreign place.

Now cut the caps and stop insulting my intelectual integrity before I start managing my open comments.

dharma the one 21. November 2007, 01:22

insulting? what? ah, managing? but that you already do, dont you? good night.

Anton Tsigularov 21. November 2007, 09:38

Every time I post a comment, god kills a kitten :frown:

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