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478. Chain for peace in the world

This post has been inspired by holdowicz-claude. I truly am sorry because I realize this is not what you thought I would write.
You see, I do not believe in peace in the world. I wish I could, but as a Pole I am absolutely sure that there is no possible way I could ever experience it in my life.
It is so easy to wish for peace - have you seen the nazi camps in Majdanek, Auschwitz? Once you see it, you realize that there are still people who could do that. And they cannot be forgiven.
Yet they are - in the name of God, money, safety, whatever.

No song tells about it, no film shows it - our fault, our indifference. Listening to nice lyrics makes you feel better, but it will not stop a man who is killing a sweet baby-boy, raping his mother or does any other 'humane' thing that happens everyday.

So many people wishing for peace do not even understand the meaning of the word. They live in their little worlds, knowing nothing about the real world.

Grow up, children. The perfect peace is just a dream never to come true.
It simply makes no money.

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Comments

I_ArtMan 14. May 2009, 01:34

being a fine artist is no way to make money either, but we go on doing it. :heart:

holdowicz-claude 14. May 2009, 08:21

I feel the sadness of your heart Mona. In a way you're right, like someone is looking in the night and have forgot the day... You know days and nights are making the whole day. The nazi camps was the night but if you want you can choose to see the light as Oscar Schindler did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N6JqGe37tY
The happiness is in the journey, not in the goal. Only the present, what you are living now is real...
Any way thank you very much for express yourself and give us this post :smile:

Villain 14. May 2009, 10:14

@ I_ArtMan: but artists do not make decisions concerning worldwide peace. It's the businesspeople, politicians and so on - and they apparently prefer money. If they didn't, we would have peace now.

@ Claude: my heart isn't sad, albeit slightly rotten ;p And what can I say about your arguments concerning Oscar Schindler? He wasn't the only one (Hollywood just hasn't made any films about the others, though you might be interested in the film about Irena Sendler) - and yet he couldn't help all. Besides, we perceive him as a hero - but wasn't he simply a human everyone should be? See what I mean - we're talking about times when a normal, humane attitude was something heroic. It was night, true - but this night isn't over.
When you say about living in the present is partially true - but we originate from the past and head for the future. Carpe diem sounds great but you mustn't get lost in the present moment. It is very important - but not the only one.



Basically, what else could you expect from the Villain? ;P

Anonymous 14. May 2009, 10:45

Szczur writes:

It's sad that fastest way (and quite possible the only one) to peace on world is extinction of humanity ;)

Villain 14. May 2009, 10:57

It's a paradox and we love them :smile: so the only solution must have been one :D

Anonymous 14. May 2009, 11:58

Rosomak writes:

What's wrong about 'little worlds'? What's wrong about seeking peace and balance in our personal, meaningless as You picture it, lives? I know that big, round words match better public statements, but as I see it, You're oversimplifying.

I won't say that if we could just grow peaceful, and happy with ourselves the problem would be gone, that would be naive, but I see no honor in wasting whole short lifespan fighting for ideas such as peace on the world. Maybe that's because I'm not fogging my sight with beliefs such as afterlife/reincarnation. OK, one can rant about peace, and [why not?] create "art" considering holocaust and so on, but I can see only hunger for personal growth in such actions, may it be on spiritual ground, social recognition, financial, I don't care. 'No idea is worth killing/loosing life' [loosely trans. of K.Staszewski].

I've been in Auschwitz-Birkenau. It should be forbidden to traumatize young personality with such cruelty. I think organizing mandatory visits in A-B by schools is crime. Rape. One thing is to speak truth, other to rape juvenile souls with 'art'.

kisses
gh

yrol 14. May 2009, 14:09

Money is just a symbol, icon. The problem with peace in the world isn't money but human nature.

Villain 14. May 2009, 14:26

Ghandi: I don't say something is wrong or right. I only say the worldwide peace is impossible because the only people who could work on that apparently do not want it. Trying to make your direct environment peaceful is a completely different thing and I haven't said a word about it yet, so don't say I oversimplify.
If we tried to make our lives peaceful, if we tried to make peace with people around us - that could be a step to make peace. But we don't do it. We are all being aggressive, hostility could be another name for 'humanity', heh :wink: It's life.
I don't know the idea worth dying for - but some people have found it, have been dying for it... I couldn't do it. I think I might be the one who kills to survive - but how can I know that for sure? We are humans. Survivors.
Killers.
Peace is a great idea, but just an idea. It is only my belief - and I'm a believer. Maybe my sight is fogged by my faith, though I don't see any relationship between peace and faith (maybe spiritual peace only, though I haven't thought about it before) - yet I know only this:
I can only live in peace by myself and try not to make troubles for others. I know no person, organisation, nation or society who could make worldwide peace.
And that is all.

Oh - and I have never been to Auschwitz. I am not planning to go there in my life. And I have never heard of mandatory visits, but I haven't heard about many other things.


@Yrol: If you think money is a symbol, give me your :smile: But to some extent I do agree with you - problem with peace lies in the human nature. We have created the idea of peace.

holdowicz-claude 14. May 2009, 14:31

So the real human nature is violence and Peace is an idea. And we have to be realistic! :confused:

Villain 14. May 2009, 14:46

Well, yes - realistically human nature is violent - without violence we wouldn't have evolved from animals. We survived because we were the ones who kill.
But on the other hand it is the idea, the abstract, that makes us humans. And we have to remember about it. Especially when we see people killing in the name of a big idea.

That's realism.

Worldwide peace is a dream. But your own peace is something you can achieve. By being in peace with yourself you can bring some peace to the others. But how can you be in peace with yourself when you see the constant wars in the world?
I chose being realistic - I will not bring peace to the world, just like making everybody happy. But trying to bring peace in your relationship, family, friendship - it's something I can do.
And it is still a part of this world.

holdowicz-claude 14. May 2009, 15:00

That's true we can't change the whole world to Peace. Some of us need to kill to feel themselves strong and in security. This is also an idea. It's not realistic...

Villain 14. May 2009, 18:02

True. But killing to feel strong and secure is not an idea. It's animal-like. Because technically, killing your enemies and opponents makes you feel stronger. And secure.
I think. Have never killed anyone.

holdowicz-claude 14. May 2009, 18:49

Me too fortunately :eyes: Have you even killed an animal?
I think animals don't kill to dominate, they only do that for eat when needed. Human can be worst as nazi shown. But I feel that if I will kill someone, it will destroy in myself the respect to my own life :sherlock:

Villain 14. May 2009, 19:15

I don't know. Sometimes one has to kill to defend oneself. To kill or to die. There were people killing for something to eat. I don't even think about things I could do when needed. I'm afraid I could kill someone threathening my family.
And well, yes, to tell you the truth, I did kill an animal. It was an accident, really, but strangely I haven't felt uncomfortably after that. Maybe I'm a potential murderer, who knows. It was a guinea pig and I threw it, errr, unexpectedly, so it fell down and broke its spine.
When we're talking about animals, I must disillusion you a bit - yes, they kill to dominate. Sometimes they even leave their opponents in agony. What's even more interesting, some animals do kill their own offspring.
And some of them do kill for fun, even if they're not hungry - have you seen a cat playing with its prey?

holdowicz-claude 14. May 2009, 19:32

Yes you're right, I have seen my cat playing with a mouse and kill it. There's a pleasure to be a clever hunter, I can imagine. But I want to try to live in joy. You know I feel that there are different level of joy. When I'm playing to be an hunter (in a video game), I feel a joy to destroy my ennemies. But that joy is short and not as strong that when I have created for example this chain for peace :sherlock: So I try to get the best joy :lol:

Villain 14. May 2009, 21:44

Well, I feel slightly guilty for spoiling your joy - for me this topic was a kind of food for thought. But I enjoy this discussion very much indeed.
You see - I would really love to see worldwide peace, that would be something extremely interesting to experience.
But apart from my - our - wishful thinking, we have to face cruel reality. We are not able to make worldwide peace real.
The only thing we can do is to be nice towards people we everyday meet.

That's basically everything I have to tell about worldwide peace ;p I'm quite talkative, so it takes me quite long to explain it:)

Well, with my great cruelty I could mention more than one disadvantage of a global peace, but I don't want to put you in total misery ;p

I_ArtMan 15. May 2009, 00:06

i think that what she is saying is "if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. :happy:

but if nobody tried and if nobody talked about it, then peace would surely never come and war and killing each other has our silent approval and innocent people will go on dying to make the rich richer. :sherlock:

holdowicz-claude 15. May 2009, 07:04

There're two ways to understand the life in my advice: one with our mind, and one with our heart. If we forgot the second one we can find plenty of "good" reasons to let violence, hate, exist...

If you can understand French, I would show you those two videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dIXT6WTQ40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncM3Vx50tNs
The Satprem's speach is so strong that I regret that I haven't found the video translated in English. Satprem was in nazi concentration camp. I have found this in English:
http://www.auroville.org/vision/Satprem.htm

Johneleth 15. May 2009, 08:26

Peace is a dream of humanity. Violence is our nature. Knowing the second, how can we even think about the first? Just like "I'm violent! I WANT peace!". It is hard to understand, that such a violent being will dream of a moment, that It's violence will be out. Not useful, harmful. Another paradox.
If we dream about peace, then we are not truly violent. Something else has to cause violence, not just pure brutality and evil. What is it? Desire? Fear?

And I've killed a lots of animals. Bugs mostly, but so. Never feel happy like "Oh, my! One more time!", more like "It is finally over". I know it is not "big" as killing any mammal, but Death is Death.

Nievertheless, it is impossible to create peace, if everyone will have freedom.

Villain 15. May 2009, 13:38

@ I_ArtMan: you're right, be still we can shout and demonstrate, but the innocent will die for the money of the rish ones. It's not really optimistic.

@ Claude: That's what I say - violence is our immanent feature, yet we have to remember thet it is an idea that makes us human.
One of my favourite writers, Sir Terry Pratchett wrote: Humans need fantasy to be humans - to be the place where a falling angel meets a rising ape.
And I couldn't agree with him more.

@ Janek: I'm quite suspicious about humanity's dream... I believe that generally humanity dreams about a full tummy, nearby water and a good night's sleep ;]

solzinho 15. May 2009, 14:45

Eu coloquei seu link no meu blog, e estou visitando todos que estão comprometidos com uma mensagem de paz para o mundo. Cada um manifesta de uma forma e isto é muito lindo :smile:

Abraços
Rosy
http://my.opera.com/solzinho/blog/paz-para-a-ra

yrol 15. May 2009, 15:01

@Mona, money is a symbol. We create money as a symbol of "how much we're ready to pay for something". The banknote has no worth, it's just a piece of paper.

Villain 15. May 2009, 18:45

Obrigado, muito obrigado Rosy :smile:
Abraços :smile:


Yrol - we're slowly entering the path of linguistics :smile: True, money is a symbol - and yet it has value. It also has meaning.
Basically - the fact something is a concept (let's state symbol is a visible representation of a concept) doesn't mean it has no value. On the contrary, it actually is bound to have value. We, humans, give it value - but we create concept as well, so it doesn't really matter, does it? :smile:

yrol 15. May 2009, 23:12

Yes, I know:] I mean exactly the same:]

Anonymous 16. May 2009, 10:12

Codiac writes:

Well said, Mona. I absolutely agree.

That's why my motto is "Si vis pacem para bellum".

Villain 16. May 2009, 12:43

@ Yrol: So you can't say money's just a symbol (or a concept). Money is much more :smile:

@ Codiac: Danke. And the Latin phrase has always been most true :smile:

holdowicz-claude 16. May 2009, 16:28

With a such sentence "Si vis pacem para bellum", we are going strait in the wall. Do you know that now we have atomic bombs?
It seems not!
With all those atomic bombs we can destroy the whole Earth more than once. How crazy some people are! Where are our heart?

Villain 16. May 2009, 20:49

My heart is in my chest, quite close to my lungs. I can hear it pretty well, so I'm sure about it.

We DO have nuclear bombs? How VERY interesting! I must disappoint you, but we - I speak of MY country - do not have ones. To disillussion you even more - we do not plan to have them.

Can you say something like that about your country?

holdowicz-claude 16. May 2009, 21:56

unfortunately not, but I didn't mentionned which country have or haven't. By the heart you know what I mean, it a feeling of love. But you know that!

Villain 16. May 2009, 22:27

Well, my heart tells me 'thump thump' which probably means that you are hoping to make everybody happy. And whilst I comprehend this kind of feeling (mainly from literature), I also know it is realistically impossible (I also gathered this knowledge from books, especially biographies). As I told you before, my attitude towards this topic you've introduced is quite realistic, so wishful thinking doesn't really work with me.
Feeling of love, ah... what do you mean? What is 'love' for you? For me, it is readiness to die for someone. Thus I know I love my brother, my husband, my parents. I could die for them, I could kill for them. But I couldn't die for you - I don't love you. I like you, but if you threathened my family, I'd kill you.
This is 'love' for me, I bet you comprehend it in a different way. I just try to say that you may do a lot of things in the name of love :smile:

And nuclear weapons, aaaahhhhh... it is crucial, I'd say, which country has or hasn't this kind of weapon. It really is :smile:

Anonymous 17. May 2009, 11:05

Codiac writes:

Aaargh! Of course when such interesting discussion is going some keys on my laptop just had to stop responding It's a pain to use on-screen keyboard. Anyway, enough of this rant and back to meritum.

@holdowicz-claude I can't agree. You are thinking about peace as a lack of wars. I am thinking about it as a lack of conflicts. This means both wars and struggles of everyday life. There's a lot of bullies and thugs out there, who would like to take Your money and more. And I'm afraid that what's stopping them is not their common sense, but the police and/or a threat of using violence against them.

You're talking about atomic bombs - well I surely don't have one, and this guy on the streets who wants to steal from me, or just beat me for fun, and then perhaps rape my girlfriend, he isn't at all scared of atomic bombs. He knows that nobody will use one against him. But he is afraid of loosing a fight, and I have my fists and legs. And that is exactly how I'm going to keep the peace - by making sure that whoever starts the fight with me will loose.
Pacifists are silly people. Of course it's great to live in peace - that's what I'm doing most of my life - but if You don't accept violence in any situation, and if You're not willing to defend what's Yours, then one day a man may come, who is willing to take from You just because he's bigger and stronger. You can't have peace without someone to guard it, and guardians are people willing to fight when necessary.

Villain 17. May 2009, 17:22

True, Codiac. True :smile:

chthoniid 22. May 2009, 01:44

Well, coming out some highlands in Papua New Guinea in a bullet-peppered landcruiser, was not a particularly peaceful event.

And I'm afraid I was a little more dependent on the shot-gun in the front-seat than spreading peace and goodwill.

solzinho 22. May 2009, 02:23

Boa noite, e que a paz possa habitar o coração de todos nós

Villain 22. May 2009, 13:58

@ Cthoniid: P:

holdowicz-claude 5. June 2009, 11:27

Mona if you want, you can now add the heart Peace dove in the right bottom of your blog. Have a look on my updated Peace chain post for the explaination, please :smile:

Villain 5. June 2009, 11:38

Thank you, dear, but I think that most of us should start using their brains first, and then add some heart.
Besides, that would completely ruin my image :smile:

holdowicz-claude 5. June 2009, 11:39

:lol: Do as you feel Mona, you are free :wink:

Villain 5. June 2009, 12:46

But thanks, anyways :smile:

holdowicz-claude 26. June 2009, 13:16

Hello Mona :D The Peace chain is now lauched on WordPress (in French):
http://claudeholdowicz.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/une-chaine-pour-la-paix-dans-le-monde/ :hat: Hope that will please to you :D

Villain 29. June 2009, 13:25

That's very nice :smile:

holdowicz-claude 29. June 2009, 13:30

:eyes: :lol:

Villain 29. June 2009, 13:37

Wha? I appreciate your effort, you know :smile:

holdowicz-claude 29. June 2009, 13:48

Thank you Mona :wink:

Villain 29. June 2009, 19:28

You're most welcome :smile:

holdowicz-claude 8. September 2009, 11:38

Hi Mona :smile: We have a new contributor for the Peace chain:
http://my.opera.com/daxonmacs/blog/2009/09/05/ordinary-flowers-extraordinary-people
Hope all is going fine on your side! :smile:

Villain 8. September 2009, 13:59

Yup, thank you and good luck :smile:

holdowicz-claude 8. September 2009, 14:06

Thanks Mona :wink:

holdowicz-claude 11. September 2009, 18:31

Mona, again a new contributor for the Peace chain :smile:
http://my.opera.com/PainterWoman/blog/2009/09/11/peace-chain-continues-2

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