478. Chain for peace in the world
Wednesday, 13. May 2009, 23:28:26
This post has been inspired by holdowicz-claude. I truly am sorry because I realize this is not what you thought I would write.
You see, I do not believe in peace in the world. I wish I could, but as a Pole I am absolutely sure that there is no possible way I could ever experience it in my life.
It is so easy to wish for peace - have you seen the nazi camps in Majdanek, Auschwitz? Once you see it, you realize that there are still people who could do that. And they cannot be forgiven.
Yet they are - in the name of God, money, safety, whatever.
No song tells about it, no film shows it - our fault, our indifference. Listening to nice lyrics makes you feel better, but it will not stop a man who is killing a sweet baby-boy, raping his mother or does any other 'humane' thing that happens everyday.
So many people wishing for peace do not even understand the meaning of the word. They live in their little worlds, knowing nothing about the real world.
Grow up, children. The perfect peace is just a dream never to come true.
It simply makes no money.
You see, I do not believe in peace in the world. I wish I could, but as a Pole I am absolutely sure that there is no possible way I could ever experience it in my life.
It is so easy to wish for peace - have you seen the nazi camps in Majdanek, Auschwitz? Once you see it, you realize that there are still people who could do that. And they cannot be forgiven.
Yet they are - in the name of God, money, safety, whatever.
No song tells about it, no film shows it - our fault, our indifference. Listening to nice lyrics makes you feel better, but it will not stop a man who is killing a sweet baby-boy, raping his mother or does any other 'humane' thing that happens everyday.
So many people wishing for peace do not even understand the meaning of the word. They live in their little worlds, knowing nothing about the real world.
Grow up, children. The perfect peace is just a dream never to come true.
It simply makes no money.









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I_ArtMan # 14. May 2009, 01:34
holdowicz-claude # 14. May 2009, 08:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N6JqGe37tY
The happiness is in the journey, not in the goal. Only the present, what you are living now is real...
Any way thank you very much for express yourself and give us this post
Villain # 14. May 2009, 10:14
@ Claude: my heart isn't sad, albeit slightly rotten ;p And what can I say about your arguments concerning Oscar Schindler? He wasn't the only one (Hollywood just hasn't made any films about the others, though you might be interested in the film about Irena Sendler) - and yet he couldn't help all. Besides, we perceive him as a hero - but wasn't he simply a human everyone should be? See what I mean - we're talking about times when a normal, humane attitude was something heroic. It was night, true - but this night isn't over.
When you say about living in the present is partially true - but we originate from the past and head for the future. Carpe diem sounds great but you mustn't get lost in the present moment. It is very important - but not the only one.
Basically, what else could you expect from the Villain? ;P
Anonymous # 14. May 2009, 10:45
It's sad that fastest way (and quite possible the only one) to peace on world is extinction of humanity ;)
Villain # 14. May 2009, 10:57
Anonymous # 14. May 2009, 11:58
What's wrong about 'little worlds'? What's wrong about seeking peace and balance in our personal, meaningless as You picture it, lives? I know that big, round words match better public statements, but as I see it, You're oversimplifying.
I won't say that if we could just grow peaceful, and happy with ourselves the problem would be gone, that would be naive, but I see no honor in wasting whole short lifespan fighting for ideas such as peace on the world. Maybe that's because I'm not fogging my sight with beliefs such as afterlife/reincarnation. OK, one can rant about peace, and [why not?] create "art" considering holocaust and so on, but I can see only hunger for personal growth in such actions, may it be on spiritual ground, social recognition, financial, I don't care. 'No idea is worth killing/loosing life' [loosely trans. of K.Staszewski].
I've been in Auschwitz-Birkenau. It should be forbidden to traumatize young personality with such cruelty. I think organizing mandatory visits in A-B by schools is crime. Rape. One thing is to speak truth, other to rape juvenile souls with 'art'.
kisses
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yrol # 14. May 2009, 14:09
Villain # 14. May 2009, 14:26
If we tried to make our lives peaceful, if we tried to make peace with people around us - that could be a step to make peace. But we don't do it. We are all being aggressive, hostility could be another name for 'humanity', heh
I don't know the idea worth dying for - but some people have found it, have been dying for it... I couldn't do it. I think I might be the one who kills to survive - but how can I know that for sure? We are humans. Survivors.
Killers.
Peace is a great idea, but just an idea. It is only my belief - and I'm a believer. Maybe my sight is fogged by my faith, though I don't see any relationship between peace and faith (maybe spiritual peace only, though I haven't thought about it before) - yet I know only this:
I can only live in peace by myself and try not to make troubles for others. I know no person, organisation, nation or society who could make worldwide peace.
And that is all.
Oh - and I have never been to Auschwitz. I am not planning to go there in my life. And I have never heard of mandatory visits, but I haven't heard about many other things.
@Yrol: If you think money is a symbol, give me your
holdowicz-claude # 14. May 2009, 14:31
Villain # 14. May 2009, 14:46
But on the other hand it is the idea, the abstract, that makes us humans. And we have to remember about it. Especially when we see people killing in the name of a big idea.
That's realism.
Worldwide peace is a dream. But your own peace is something you can achieve. By being in peace with yourself you can bring some peace to the others. But how can you be in peace with yourself when you see the constant wars in the world?
I chose being realistic - I will not bring peace to the world, just like making everybody happy. But trying to bring peace in your relationship, family, friendship - it's something I can do.
And it is still a part of this world.
holdowicz-claude # 14. May 2009, 15:00
Villain # 14. May 2009, 18:02
I think. Have never killed anyone.
holdowicz-claude # 14. May 2009, 18:49
I think animals don't kill to dominate, they only do that for eat when needed. Human can be worst as nazi shown. But I feel that if I will kill someone, it will destroy in myself the respect to my own life
Villain # 14. May 2009, 19:15
And well, yes, to tell you the truth, I did kill an animal. It was an accident, really, but strangely I haven't felt uncomfortably after that. Maybe I'm a potential murderer, who knows. It was a guinea pig and I threw it, errr, unexpectedly, so it fell down and broke its spine.
When we're talking about animals, I must disillusion you a bit - yes, they kill to dominate. Sometimes they even leave their opponents in agony. What's even more interesting, some animals do kill their own offspring.
And some of them do kill for fun, even if they're not hungry - have you seen a cat playing with its prey?
holdowicz-claude # 14. May 2009, 19:32
Villain # 14. May 2009, 21:44
You see - I would really love to see worldwide peace, that would be something extremely interesting to experience.
But apart from my - our - wishful thinking, we have to face cruel reality. We are not able to make worldwide peace real.
The only thing we can do is to be nice towards people we everyday meet.
That's basically everything I have to tell about worldwide peace ;p I'm quite talkative, so it takes me quite long to explain it:)
Well, with my great cruelty I could mention more than one disadvantage of a global peace, but I don't want to put you in total misery ;p
I_ArtMan # 15. May 2009, 00:06
but if nobody tried and if nobody talked about it, then peace would surely never come and war and killing each other has our silent approval and innocent people will go on dying to make the rich richer.
holdowicz-claude # 15. May 2009, 07:04
If you can understand French, I would show you those two videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dIXT6WTQ40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncM3Vx50tNs
The Satprem's speach is so strong that I regret that I haven't found the video translated in English. Satprem was in nazi concentration camp. I have found this in English:
http://www.auroville.org/vision/Satprem.htm
Johneleth # 15. May 2009, 08:26
If we dream about peace, then we are not truly violent. Something else has to cause violence, not just pure brutality and evil. What is it? Desire? Fear?
And I've killed a lots of animals. Bugs mostly, but so. Never feel happy like "Oh, my! One more time!", more like "It is finally over". I know it is not "big" as killing any mammal, but Death is Death.
Nievertheless, it is impossible to create peace, if everyone will have freedom.
Villain # 15. May 2009, 13:38
@ Claude: That's what I say - violence is our immanent feature, yet we have to remember thet it is an idea that makes us human.
One of my favourite writers, Sir Terry Pratchett wrote: Humans need fantasy to be humans - to be the place where a falling angel meets a rising ape.
And I couldn't agree with him more.
@ Janek: I'm quite suspicious about humanity's dream... I believe that generally humanity dreams about a full tummy, nearby water and a good night's sleep ;]
solzinho # 15. May 2009, 14:45
Abraços
Rosy
http://my.opera.com/solzinho/blog/paz-para-a-ra
yrol # 15. May 2009, 15:01
Villain # 15. May 2009, 18:45
Abraços
Yrol - we're slowly entering the path of linguistics
Basically - the fact something is a concept (let's state symbol is a visible representation of a concept) doesn't mean it has no value. On the contrary, it actually is bound to have value. We, humans, give it value - but we create concept as well, so it doesn't really matter, does it?
yrol # 15. May 2009, 23:12
Anonymous # 16. May 2009, 10:12
Well said, Mona. I absolutely agree.
That's why my motto is "Si vis pacem para bellum".
Villain # 16. May 2009, 12:43
@ Codiac: Danke. And the Latin phrase has always been most true
holdowicz-claude # 16. May 2009, 16:28
It seems not!
With all those atomic bombs we can destroy the whole Earth more than once. How crazy some people are! Where are our heart?
Villain # 16. May 2009, 20:49
We DO have nuclear bombs? How VERY interesting! I must disappoint you, but we - I speak of MY country - do not have ones. To disillussion you even more - we do not plan to have them.
Can you say something like that about your country?
holdowicz-claude # 16. May 2009, 21:56
Villain # 16. May 2009, 22:27
Feeling of love, ah... what do you mean? What is 'love' for you? For me, it is readiness to die for someone. Thus I know I love my brother, my husband, my parents. I could die for them, I could kill for them. But I couldn't die for you - I don't love you. I like you, but if you threathened my family, I'd kill you.
This is 'love' for me, I bet you comprehend it in a different way. I just try to say that you may do a lot of things in the name of love
And nuclear weapons, aaaahhhhh... it is crucial, I'd say, which country has or hasn't this kind of weapon. It really is
Anonymous # 17. May 2009, 11:05
Aaargh! Of course when such interesting discussion is going some keys on my laptop just had to stop responding It's a pain to use on-screen keyboard. Anyway, enough of this rant and back to meritum.
@holdowicz-claude I can't agree. You are thinking about peace as a lack of wars. I am thinking about it as a lack of conflicts. This means both wars and struggles of everyday life. There's a lot of bullies and thugs out there, who would like to take Your money and more. And I'm afraid that what's stopping them is not their common sense, but the police and/or a threat of using violence against them.
You're talking about atomic bombs - well I surely don't have one, and this guy on the streets who wants to steal from me, or just beat me for fun, and then perhaps rape my girlfriend, he isn't at all scared of atomic bombs. He knows that nobody will use one against him. But he is afraid of loosing a fight, and I have my fists and legs. And that is exactly how I'm going to keep the peace - by making sure that whoever starts the fight with me will loose.
Pacifists are silly people. Of course it's great to live in peace - that's what I'm doing most of my life - but if You don't accept violence in any situation, and if You're not willing to defend what's Yours, then one day a man may come, who is willing to take from You just because he's bigger and stronger. You can't have peace without someone to guard it, and guardians are people willing to fight when necessary.
Villain # 17. May 2009, 17:22
chthoniid # 22. May 2009, 01:44
And I'm afraid I was a little more dependent on the shot-gun in the front-seat than spreading peace and goodwill.
solzinho # 22. May 2009, 02:23
Villain # 22. May 2009, 13:58
holdowicz-claude # 5. June 2009, 11:27
Villain # 5. June 2009, 11:38
Besides, that would completely ruin my image
holdowicz-claude # 5. June 2009, 11:39
Villain # 5. June 2009, 12:46
holdowicz-claude # 26. June 2009, 13:16
http://claudeholdowicz.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/une-chaine-pour-la-paix-dans-le-monde/
Villain # 29. June 2009, 13:25
holdowicz-claude # 29. June 2009, 13:30
Villain # 29. June 2009, 13:37
holdowicz-claude # 29. June 2009, 13:48
Villain # 29. June 2009, 19:28
holdowicz-claude # 2. July 2009, 09:03
http://my.opera.com/norskblu/blog/2009/07/01/chain-of-peace
holdowicz-claude # 8. September 2009, 11:38
http://my.opera.com/daxonmacs/blog/2009/09/05/ordinary-flowers-extraordinary-people
Hope all is going fine on your side!
Villain # 8. September 2009, 13:59
holdowicz-claude # 8. September 2009, 14:06
holdowicz-claude # 11. September 2009, 18:31
http://my.opera.com/PainterWoman/blog/2009/09/11/peace-chain-continues-2