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RichardDawkins.net forum also closed

The RichardDawkins.net forum has also closed down.

You may find me over at rationalskepticism.org from now on.

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NOVA's Judgement Day forum now closed. Where to?

NOVA's Judgement Day forum was closed just now, so where are people headed? I started a thread on the subject before it was closed, and here are some possibilities:


The EvC forum looks to be one of the most "neutral" on the subject, but the standard of the discussions there are pretty high. The normal hit and run tactics and poorly formulated arguments are not going to cut it. The other suggestions are mostly secular/atheist forums it seems. I doubt that a lot of creationists would bother to go there.

I have signed up at EvC and IIDB so far, but haven't participated yet. Richarddawkins.net is another likely candidate for me personally.

Skeptical Science: A Case Study in Climate Science Integrity

Skeptical science has published two interesting articles on how climate deniers and people who accept the science treat flawed scientific research.

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Denialist arguments in a nutshell

Balloon Juice nails the typical denialist line of argument:

You know the drill: global warming isn’t happening, if it is happening then it’s not caused by human behavior, if it is caused by human behavior then we can’t do anything about it, if it is caused by human behavior and we can do something about it, then that something is too expensive, if it is caused by human behavior and we can do something about it that is not too expensive, then that something is not what Democrats are proposing. And Al Gore is fat, he flies too much, look at his electricity bill, and sometimes when he goes somewhere it snows there, which is very ironic.

Zvon's searchable indexes of Skeptical Science, IPCC AR4 and RealClimate

Now here's a goldmine for science lovers! Thanks to zvon.org you can now quickly look up information from three sites:


It's as simple as searching, and the results appear instantly.

Does Jonah Lehrer's "The Truth Wears Off" support creationists or denialists?

Creationists and AGW denialists alike have cheered at "The Truth Wears Off" by Jonah Lehrer. Finally the evils of science were exposed, and one could happily continue to ignore scientific facts!

Unfortunately for them, Evolution and AGW are in fact examples of the opposite, he says in a followup piece:

One of the sad ironies of scientific denialism is that we tend to be skeptical of precisely the wrong kind of scientific claims. Natural selection and climate change have been verified in thousands of different ways by thousands of different scientists working in many different fields. (This doesn’t mean, of course, that such theories won’t change or get modified—the strength of science is that nothing is settled.) Instead of wasting public debate on solid theories, I wish we’d spend more time considering the value of second-generation antipsychotics or the verity of the latest gene-association study.

So Lehrer actually thinks these are fields where the science is actually so damn clear that his original piece doesn't really undermine them at all.

Man, can those CreatioDenialists never get a break?

New York Times: Industry Ignored Its Scientists on Climate

A story from 2009: Industry Ignored Its Scientists on Climate

For more than a decade the Global Climate Coalition, a group representing industries with profits tied to fossil fuels, led an aggressive lobbying and public relations campaign against the idea that emissions of heat-trapping gases could lead to global warming.

But a document filed in a federal lawsuit demonstrates that even as the coalition worked to sway opinion, its own scientific and technical experts were advising that the science backing the role of greenhouse gases in global warming could not be refuted.

“The scientific basis for the Greenhouse Effect and the potential impact of human emissions of greenhouse gases such as CO2 on climate is well established and cannot be denied,” the experts wrote in an internal report compiled for the coalition in 1995.

Throughout the 1990s, when the coalition conducted a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign challenging the merits of an international agreement, policy makers and pundits were fiercely debating whether humans could dangerously warm the planet. Today, with general agreement on the basics of warming, the debate has largely moved on to the question of how extensively to respond to rising temperatures.

The Real Story of Climategate

Climategate is one of the biggest frauds out there: It is based on misunderstanding and quote-mining. The climate science is still perfectly fine. It is the denialist industry that actively tries to mislead people by promoting this manufactured controversy.

ClimateSight has a nice summary.

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PZ Myers on angry New Atheists

PZ Myers has argued for why we need to be confrontational.

Gnu Atheists are so dang angry. Damned right we are. The real question is why everyone else isn't. If you aren't angry about what's being done to undermine education in this country, you haven't been following along.

That's where the Gnu Atheists get their confrontational reputation. We're fed up with fighting off the symptoms. We need to address the disease. And if you're one of those people trying to defend superstition and quivering in fear at the idea of taking on a majority that believes in foolishness, urging us to continue slapping bandages on the blight of faith, well then, you're part of the problem and we'll probably do something utterly dreadful, like be rude to you or write some cutting sarcastic essay to mock your position. That is our métier, after all.

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Missing blog post (not): The value of coherence in science (was Blog review of scientific coherence)

This is a mirror of the now-missing Blog review of scientific coherence (Wednesday, 29 September, 2010) from skepticalscience.com.

Update: The article still exists, with the title: The value of coherence in science

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