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Nasty Neighbours

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A tiff between neighbours has turned into what sounds like a horror movie for 23 families who face being moved out of an apartment building due to the aggressive behaviour of one other family.

Life has reportedly been hell for the 23 families since last October where the family in question moved in. The residents have allegedly faced harassment, violence and threats from the family on a daily basis.

The conflict peaked on Monday while the family accused of the rotten behaviour was entertaining relatives. Their children reportedly began throwing rocks and spitting at other families in the building’s playground area. When they were told to stop, their parents came down to the playground armed with knives and clubs. Two residents were injured and taken to hospital, while one man was arrested.

Threats have since followed the incident, including the Lebanese family spray painting, "We've killed a man. Watch your step. Ha ha!" on the sidewalk outside the building. But instead of the aggressive family being forced to move out, the housing association has instead volunteered to relocate the other families at no charge. The reason is that the one family cannot be evicted until the matter is settled through a court order.

The head of the social services department, said the city did not have the power to negotiate solutions in household or neighbour disputes. But the city would step in and evict the family as soon as it had the legal means to do so.

The 23 families previously filed their case with the Tenant Complaints Board and the family was "evicted" by the board – a decision that must be upheld in the court before it can be actualised.

In the meantime, many of the building’s residents were reportedly living in fear, especially those who testifying in the eviction case.


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Comments

der Wandersmann 2. September 2009, 04:21

I had no idea your justice system was so compassionate.

Oy, vay!

Moesring 2. September 2009, 04:28

As I see it, the main problem here is that none of this actually makes the problem any better. Moving families around doesn't address the underlying problem (whatever it may be).

If all 23 other families are moved out, the Lebanese will always be causing problems for those in the immediate vicinity until something is done to solve the problem. After all, I can't imagine that 23 residences would stay vacant for long.
Similarly, if the Lebanese were evicted then the problem would probably simply move to wherever they end up. Thus different families would end up in the same situation as their current neighbours. :down:

No, I don't know what should be done to permanently solve the issue, but I do know that this won't be the end of the trouble. awww

Carol 2. September 2009, 04:52

:faint:

flamingo-rinse 2. September 2009, 07:07

Happens a fair bit in NZ too, with violent, drug and gang-linked familes - they get moved into a quiet suburban street and cause havoc and scare the crap out of the locals, until evicted again. What can you do?? Just hope they don't come into a street near you...and get a big dog...

Kimmie 2. September 2009, 08:01

That's fucking disgusting! :furious: . Maybe the idiot family is hoping that they'll get moved to a big house of their own by the government to "solve" the problem. Probably not, but it's just a thought. Perhaps the government should take their children away and put them into care of people with sensibility, so at least they have a shot of growing up human.

flamingo-rinse 2. September 2009, 08:15

Trouble is, they might have emigrated from a war zone and actually be 'battle-hardened' literally, in which case they're going to walk all over social services and everything the soshe has up it's sleeve - normal systems aren't geared up to dealing with hard nuts whose kids might actually know how to blow a car up...

And (I'm not arguing, but just making an observation) they probably aren't idiots - if they were, they would have fucked up ages ago and already heve been separated from kids and all that...they're probably smartasses and know exactly how to walk the line...

Kimmie 2. September 2009, 08:29

Ah, that's one of the things I like about you. You're very level-headed. Your opinion makes much more sense, I get emotional and rant almost incoherently :lol: . I never thought of the fact they could very well know exactly what they're doing.. I guess I'm just thinking of the people here that are like that.

Gavin Sheedy 2. September 2009, 08:37

I read about an alcoholic family who made life hell for their neighbours before finally being evicted; they didn't get a big house, they live in a a caravan now. One of them threw a neighbours dog out from several floors up.

Stardancer 2. September 2009, 08:49

That's awful, Kitty.

:frown:

David Scott Aubrey 2. September 2009, 09:01

Originally posted by flamingo-rinse:

Happens a fair bit in NZ too



But ... but you've got that excellent program on suburban diplomacy, Neighbours at War ... ! :eyes: :wink:

I wonder why there isn't some sort of standard of behaviour in the lease these people have - every lease I've had has had something like that (even if it's just a word on excessive noise, etc).

flamingo-rinse 2. September 2009, 09:09

Originally posted by Gavin:

threw a neighbours dog out

whoa - that's nasty - can't have been a very fierce dog...

flamingo-rinse 2. September 2009, 09:15

Originally posted by David:

a word on excessive noise

...and ummm..that would be....SHUTTHEFUCKUP...is that one word??...oh yeah - neighbours at war :lol: god I can't watch that- it makes me want to go out and fire a bazooka into the silly pom next door's garage :lol: (and I'm a pom too so am allowed that emotional response to a stupid know-it-all git from Slough) :D

Oh - where's the level headed response now. Damn :rolleyes:

David Scott Aubrey 2. September 2009, 10:17

It's somehow always Kiwis vs Poms on that show, isn't it? :rolleyes: :lol:

The Dark Furie 2. September 2009, 10:21

There was a family like this in my home town. They were all housed in the same street, taking up every house in a cul-de-sac, and turning an entire district into the worst place in the town. Get into an argument with one of them, the rest would suddenly be there armed with anything they could grab. They made that estate live in terror for 20 years with the police and council and social services either powerless or refusing to do anything. Then they messed with the local bikers and coincidentally lost their homes and a couple of family members to a fire within a week. Within a month a few of the teens had accidentally gotten hold of uncut smack and overdosed. Moral of the story - there's always someone bigger and badder, and people that look for trouble will eventually find more trouble than they can handle.

David Scott Aubrey 2. September 2009, 10:29

Oops. Darn those coincidences.

Matthew 2. September 2009, 12:27

Threats of harm (and rock throwing) are criminally prosecutable. The police could "evict" them - relocate them - to a different state-subsidized housing plan, if they wanted to.

Kimmie 2. September 2009, 14:26

Karma rocks. :headbang:

Gavin Sheedy 2. September 2009, 14:55

Unless one is evil :whistles:

Kimmie 2. September 2009, 17:03

Then it rocks for the ones the evil person has harmed p:

Mina 2. September 2009, 17:17

:yes:

Kitty 2. September 2009, 19:15

Thanks a lot for your comments, everybody. :happy:

I used to live a place where the girl upstairs had a party at least twice a week, on workdays. :yikes:
After kinda "getting used to it", she decided to learn to play the violin. I tell you, it sounded as if she had a cat that was never fed.
I was not sad when I found something else to live in. :up:

flamingo-rinse 2. September 2009, 22:16

What about car alarms that go off in the night that no one comes to switch off? Aren't they *so* annoying? Ahhh yes - memories of living in South-East London *shudder*. If the UK ever gets bombed, let it be Sydenham SE26 that gets it first :smile:

David Scott Aubrey 2. September 2009, 22:54

I never walked down the road with a pick axe handle to smash the alarm out the front of someone's house that went off many times over the course of a weekend when they weren't home ...

... never ...

... well ...

... I started to ... :left: :right:

Moesring 3. September 2009, 01:27

Originally posted by kitty:

she decided to learn to play the violin. I tell you, it sounded as if she had a cat that was never fed.

I bet that struck a chord with you (erm, no pun intended awww). The first time you heard it, you thought "I must save my feline brethren! :Zaphira:"... and then you found out what was actually making that noise. awww

I'm right, aren't I? :left:

flamingo-rinse 3. September 2009, 03:00

Originally posted by david:

pick axe handle

Specifically designed with external house alarms in mind, actually :smile: The actual 'pick axe' head part was an afterthought (also useful for external house alarms, and incidentally for levering open car bonnets so that you can smash the car alarm horn into gratifyingly small, match-sized pieces. Usually the car windscreen is a casualty too, weird how that happens...) :D

Bugger : Lack of balanced response #2...I hope I haven't disillusioned Kimmie...:right:

David Scott Aubrey 3. September 2009, 03:15

:lol:

Gavin Sheedy 3. September 2009, 03:56

I hope that the budding violist found music criticism posted in the entré...

Kitty 3. September 2009, 04:31

Originally posted by Moe:

I'm right, aren't I?

Of course you're right. I even went upstairs with some of my food to share it with the poor little fella. awww


Originally posted by Mr Rinse:

What about car alarms that go off in the night that no one comes to switch off?

Sooo annoying too! Luckily it seems that it happens less and less. Perhaps the car alarm producers have increased their skills and are just making them less sensitive to for instance rain?! Don't know if that's the case or if I'm just lucky. :smile:

@ Gavin ~ She didn't. I was such a paragon of virtue back then. :angel:


der Wandersmann 3. September 2009, 04:40

Have you seen Allan's latest posting on the subject of the expulsion of the Iraqi refugees?

Kitty 3. September 2009, 04:42

No I haven't. My watch list is killing me these days, so I'm struggling to keep up. awww

r♡se 6. September 2009, 10:58

Wow. I wonder what the cost is for moving 23 households...
Were they planning on leaving the flats empty until the evictition is executed?

Kitty 6. September 2009, 18:25

it would probably be wise to leave them empty, even though the papers don't mention anything about it. I mean, moving more people sounds pretty expensive too, right?!

r♡se 6. September 2009, 18:54

Exactly. Not to mention the possibility that they have to be relocated again if the family keep up their lack of common respect.

Kitty 6. September 2009, 18:57

I don't really believe that they'll change behaviour unless someone teaches them. Like in Mik's example for instance.

The Dark Furie 6. September 2009, 19:45

Unfortunately most lessons aren't taught hard enough to stick with the sort of people who need the lessons.

Marike 7. September 2009, 15:53

I can't imagine what it would have been like for those families. I'm glad they moved them to other accommodation.

David Scott Aubrey 6. December 2009, 20:47

Does anyone know where Rinsy went?

The Dark Furie 6. December 2009, 20:59

He's taking a break right now. Mail him and he'll probably get back in touch if he returns. :up:

David Scott Aubrey 6. December 2009, 21:40

Okay. He just seemed to disappear kind of suddenly.

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