Shooting in Copenhagen
Thursday, 5. March 2009, 05:35:57
Last year the police registered 20 incidents of shooting in Copenhagen. In 2009 there has already been 55 incidents. The numbers of incidents exploded after the Hells Angels and their supporters in AK81 ganged up against some gangs of immigrants here. But it also seems like some people find it "normal" to carry a gun. I think it's outrageous. One: If they can't hit, then they shouldn't shoot. And two: Don't shoot at people unless you're sure of who it is you're firing at.
Here's the last months' incidents.
1st of March: Two masked foreigners pull a man out of a bar in the Amager district and forces him down on the pavement. Then they open the door to the bar and shoot ten times; 3 persons get hit, one of them dies. Then the men discuss whether to kill the man on the pavement or not, and decides to just shoot him in the knee and in the buttocks before they run away.
The men who got shot have no connections to gangs.
28th February: A 32 year old man, originally from the Faroe Islands, but living in Denmark, was driving to Norrebro district to go to a concert. He was looking for a parking place when two men on bicycles passed him and shot at the car five times. He was hit in the back, and is still in the hospital. Doctors say that he will probably survive. The man has no connection to any gangs.
27th February: A man originally from Iraq stands next to his car and talks with a friend in the Norrebro district. A car with three men pulls over and fires at him ten times. He dies from his wounds.
23rd February: The police makes a big weapon raid in the Norrebro district. Shortly after they left, a car drives off, and there is fired from it twice. Nobody gets hit. The police thinks that it's a demonstration of the no use of raids.
22nd February: Two men of foreign origin pass by the Hells Angels headquarter in Copenhagen and shoots against the building. Nobody gets hurt.
21st February: A Danish guy picked up his friend in the Norrebro district. When the friend entered the car, four foreigners tried to pull him back out of the car. He managed to escape, and the two Danes drove off, followed by a car with the four other men. During the car chase, the four men shoot five times against the two men. Luckily no one gets hit. This happens during the afternoon in the Frederiksberg district, and the two men have no connection to any gangs.
18th February: A man stops his car because of the red light signal in Frederiksberg district. A man runs to him, yanks his door open and points at him with a gun. The man reacts instinctively by stepping on the speeder, driving off fast. The man on the street shoots after him. Luckily nobody gets hurt. The man has no connection with gangs.
29th January: A man connected to the Hells Angels got shot by two foreigners while he was at a juice bar in central Copenhagen. The incident happens during the day where lots of people are around the biker.
(63%)
WIDGETIZE
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Dacotah # 5. March 2009, 05:40
Kitty # 5. March 2009, 05:46
Dacotah # 5. March 2009, 05:47
Phantom2 # 5. March 2009, 05:49
Kitty # 5. March 2009, 05:54
@ Phantom ~ In my opinion it is already out of hand. The police really tries, but the politicians are ridiculous, thinking that making the punishments of prison longer will help anything.
If they only shot at each other, it would be easier to accept. But totally innocent people, who just happen to walk the street where they are, are in risk of being shot, because it seems the gangs have a hard time recognizing each other.
Phantom2 # 5. March 2009, 05:58
If they are not native born Danes and cause trouble.....deport them!
Darko # 5. March 2009, 05:59
We will see. Now we have a law that alows the government to confiscate all of the property gangsters made with criminal activity. And police is brutal sometimes, especially with armed people.
Kitty # 5. March 2009, 06:02
@ Darko ~ I think it's ok that the police are rough on armed people, after all, they are risking their lives to unarm them. We are not used to shootings here, actually, before this happened, there was a lot of talk about people carrying knives. I don't like this development.
Phantom2 # 5. March 2009, 06:07
Darko # 5. March 2009, 06:10
Dacotah # 5. March 2009, 06:20
Kitty # 5. March 2009, 09:24
Kimmie # 5. March 2009, 10:22
The Dark Furie # 5. March 2009, 10:38
Bea # 5. March 2009, 11:06
Cois # 5. March 2009, 11:43
Marike # 5. March 2009, 11:50
Ditto Clint!!! I wanted to say the same...
Angeliki # 5. March 2009, 12:20
it is sad we live in a society full of anger and violence..
Kitty # 5. March 2009, 12:22
@ Mik ~ some things need to be changed, that's for sure.
@ Bea ~ Me too. I hate it when shooters take it out on someone who hasn't got anything to do with the fighting.
@ Cois & Marike ~ It isn't?
Kitty # 5. March 2009, 12:22
Marike # 5. March 2009, 12:29
Kitty # 5. March 2009, 12:30
Marike # 5. March 2009, 12:36
Kitty # 5. March 2009, 12:37
Marike # 5. March 2009, 12:40
Kimmie # 5. March 2009, 12:44
Kitty # 5. March 2009, 12:59
The Dark Furie # 5. March 2009, 13:01
Kitty # 5. March 2009, 13:03
Marike # 5. March 2009, 13:04
Kimmie # 5. March 2009, 14:03
Of course, the vaginal wear and semen left from consensual sex will be there... So the police are likely to believe the girls.
Harry # 5. March 2009, 14:15
Hells Angels, pah, IHTP, I hate those punks!!!
Confiscating organized crimes profits did sort of a good job drying out criminal resources in the USA, but lead to increased corruption among police forces.
Trouble is, Hells Angels are actually operating on a global level, trafficking narcotics and weapons worldwide, conspiracing with other syndicates. They are a problem, wich can be handled locally only until a certain extent.
What about the integration of immigrants in Denmark, do they concentrate in certain districts of the city and isolate themselves?
Do there exist some communities, which are able to controll their kind up to a certain degree?
If the Hells angels can disguise their struggling about profit of criminal enterprises as a racial conflict, a lot of young, angry immigrants are about to get involved.
About castration of potential rapists:
Easy Kitten. I unterstand your anger, but this is a rather final and barbaric "solution". Doesn't prevent sexual offenders from commiting sexual motivated crimes, has already been tried and failed. Apart from that, there are women, who use allegations of that kind as a weapon (Divorce, revenge on ex-lovers, etc.), so there IS a certain percentage of convicted innocents. Shouldn't be to trustfull on police investigations and courts decisions, either. No need to be paranoid, but a sound distrust concerning executive forces of the government is advisable. Corruption and incompetency exist everywhere, has been, will be. (Sermon over,
Take good care of yourself,
Harry # 5. March 2009, 14:24
Kitty # 5. March 2009, 14:26
@ DarkKnight ~ There are lots of immigrants in the Norrebro district here, not because they actually isolate themselves, but this is our "ghetto", this is here they are offered apartments, so part of the problem lies here. I knew a girl from ex-Yugoslavia, she said that she wasn't really interested in living among other "foreigners", she was much more interested in being intregrated in the Danish society, if you know what I mean. She even said: "I know you might think I'm a racist now, but..."
I have to point out, that we have a lot of immigrants here, who aren't part of this conflict, but who mind their own business.
As for the castration:
Ok, I understand, I might overreacted a bit, but you know, the subject really makes me angry. Sowwy.
Point taken.
Harry # 5. March 2009, 14:51
The Dark Furie # 5. March 2009, 18:33
Harry # 5. March 2009, 20:35
Fetch all criminals together, isolate them, let them fight until death.
*switching to ironic mode*
Brilliant idea. Executing death penalties, e.g. in the USA or China, really helped them decrease crime rates.
What the f...? It didn't? Bugger!
*switching to sermon mode*
Above-average crime rates represent a mismatch in social conditions within a society. Major part of criminals are not born criminals, they are a product of domestic violence, poor education, poor self esteem and similiar factors.
Doesn't excuse any commited crime, every grown-up is responsible for its actions.
But exercising violence doesn't change behavior patterns, it leads only to more violence and hatred.
There is NO EASY solution on this, to diminish crime within a society a bundle of measures has to be taken, concerning social security, education, strengthening the status of females within society and so on and so forth.
*Congrats, you've overcome sermon mode*
The Dark Furie # 5. March 2009, 21:12
Harry # 5. March 2009, 21:22
Hotels?
The Dark Furie # 5. March 2009, 21:44
Of course, the problem with any system lies in those few innocents that are wrongly incarcerated, as I said earlier on.
Harry # 5. March 2009, 22:22
But looking at it from a distance, death penalty is'nt justice, it's cold blooded murder, only commited (and justified) this time by the state.
Most relatives, friends, spouses are'nt reliefed of their grief by the death of the perpetrator, which is only a shortlasting cheap thrill.
To really help them carrying on, they have to be attended over several years, what rarely happens, they are abandoned by the state. Execution accomplished, case closed.
Looking at the USA, they got a pretty high percentage of innocent convicted, estimations go up to 5 percent, that's no small number in totals.
Anyway, IMHO being incarcerated for the rest of your life is more of a punishment than being executed. Locked in on a few square meters, knowing you'll never walk free again, having to live with this knowledge every single day...
I'm not really up-to-date, but rumour has it, most U.K. prisons are far away from 4-star standards. Overstaffed, poor sanitary conditions, violence...
Darn, forgot to look up your blog about the story.
theoddbod # 6. March 2009, 21:52
The goal is primarily to deter. Every story (true or not) about easy prison conditions, every tale of someone being sentenced and laughing in court, every instance of a crime not being investigated - they all chip away at that.
Punishment is only secondary. If we really meant it, we'd still have public floggings. The most important thing a prison can do for the inmates themselves is prepare them for life afterwards.
Keeping crime under control is the most important function a government has, in my view. Correction - a good government. A bad government just wants everyone under control and ideally out of the way.
Well, that's my little ramble. I could add more, but I'm struggling to get the phrasing right.
The Dark Furie # 6. March 2009, 21:58
Darko # 7. March 2009, 07:26
The Dark Furie # 7. March 2009, 09:36
Harry # 7. March 2009, 11:06
So all this catfianian turmoil about the unjust juridical system in the state of fury is pure, vicious propaganda. (Bad, bad Kittens)
Because I see in the public flogging of politicans no harm done.
Quite the contrary, it's a wise, sensible action of pedagogic value.
r♡se # 7. March 2009, 16:53
Kitty # 7. March 2009, 17:24
The main problem is that they don't just shoot on each other.
r♡se # 7. March 2009, 17:29
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Kitty # 7. March 2009, 17:33
But I don't wear a insignia on the back of my jacket.