Ashira

Found: Nidhogg.

Monday, March 31, 2008 1:27:11 PM

HI, NIDDY! WE MISSED YOU!

Fucking Luna. Claimed and immediately flailed it.. twice. Learn to... well, learn, for god's sake. This LS flubs up so badly all the time, you'd think they'd get a clue. ._.

And just for Kaeko, who loves the fun list of names screenshots:

That's not even all of it really, I know I didn't get all the names from the entire Aery... it was pretty crowded.

Otherwise, in ground camps, the most excitement I had was running two characters at a time and tanking Behemoth on Diomedes' MNK/NIN while playing BRD at Fafnir. Funny thing was, I'd kinda totally called that happening to Vagus in /tell just before, as well. It would figure, of course.

OH YES.

Something I wanted to address. Some posts back in discussion about my WHM Slow landing on Tiamat and being able to tell Senrez whether or not it was still on based on "no effect" messages, someone tried to tell me that if a spell is resisted when it is already on the mob, you will still get "no effect" messages. I knew this was incorrect, but I didn't have anything available to prove otherwise, nor could I think of exactly how I'd come to this conclusion.

Of course, then we started Salvaging more and I was on BRD; and I remembered it was mostly Cerberus where I saw this happen.

In both shots, Carnage on a re-sing (to reset timer, I constantly sing before it wears, as we do on Cerberus because of his high resist rate.. so each BRD is always singing Carnage, while it's already on) gets resists, and Battlefield lands but has no effect because Carnage is already on (Battlefield would also overwrite itself, like Carnage does).

So, yes, if you get resisted when a spell is on, you get RESIST messages, not "no effect" messages. Now that that is solved, moving on.

First, a DANCE BREAK. Max nested elements reachedMax nested elements reached

Missing: NidhoggTHANK YOU, WYRED <3

Comments

Anonymous # Monday, March 31, 2008 6:08:58 PM

Anonymous writes: no idea which elegy overwrites which and so on. i think that's the fault. however try this: go to jormungand make elemental seal sleep II then cast sleep1 naked. if this shows resist i'm convinced, didn't try it myself, i just know i've never seen a resist message when i casted a not overwriting spell on a already enfeebled mob.

Ashiraashira # Monday, March 31, 2008 6:25:50 PM

I wrote right in the post which Elegy overwrites which... not my fault you didn't bother to read and comprehend. Unlike enfeebles, songs will overwrite themselves (much like Haste and Refresh). Battlefield overwrites itself, Carnage overwrites itself and Battlefield. So there is no "fault" or mistake there... just becuase YOU don't know which Elegy is which doesn't mean I don't.

If it doesn't show a resist message, just a no effect, then I would assume it "landed." I'm sure I've at some point also come across this happening in reference to enfeebles, maybe on Dynamis mobs or some such where I'd cast a Sleepga or some such on a mob that hit an already slept mob, but saw a "Resist" message, or perhaps Silence etc type instead... having it resist, casting again and seeing "no effect" because it was actually already on. But of course, who ever thinks to look for that, but I have been watching to try and get this screenshotted for this reason.

Anonymous # Monday, March 31, 2008 7:57:27 PM

Anonymous writes: there you got your fault. that's what happened: carnage elegy was on the mob. it can be overwritten by carnage but not by battlefield, because carnage > battlefield. so when you cast carnage and you get resisted you get the resist message, because if it would have landed you would get "recieves the effect of elegy". but if you cast battlefield it says no effect no matter if it resists or not, because even if it lands it wouldn't overwrite carnage. the screenshot doesn't show which elegy is on, but i'm sure it's carnage. just try what i said before ^-^

Ashiraashira # Monday, March 31, 2008 10:39:29 PM

The point was this: on the Tiamat post, it was maintained (I assume by you) that if my Slow was resisted, and Slow was already on, it would show up as no effect. At which time I said then at least I would still know it was on either way, to tell Senrez that Slow was indeed still on.

According to that logic, if Carnage Elegy was on (which again, I said exactly that in the post, so you don't need to assume anything), and was sung again and resisted, I should have gotten a "no effect" message, not a "resist" message.

We don't do Cerberus anymore, but I'm quite sure I saw more than a few resist messages on both Carnage AND Battlefield Elegy while Carnage Elegy was on. I seem to recall the distinction because I would get the "no effect" messages more often on Battlefield when, but still sometimes got "resist" messages when Carnage was still on. I remember it leading to a sort of odd train of thought about how the lower level spell seems to land more, almost like it's something we're more 'trained' in because we've used it longer type thing.. etc, and I don't go into random trains of thought like that terribly often.

I'd have to ask how many "samples" you did of this Jormungand test; if it's only one or two, you'd have no way of proving that that Sleep I didn't land. It could have been a critical fail resist and landed, but had "no effect" since II was already on, or some such. I'm not much in the habit of running all the way up Uleguerand, but I do plan to keep trying to find my proofs. Though it's not something I'm actively looking for, obviously, as there are better things to do with my time than to figure out how the chat log works. -.-

Anonymous # Tuesday, April 1, 2008 6:41:42 AM

Anonymous writes: lol sorry but you're wrong again. the difference is that when you can overwrite carnage, but you can't overwrite slow. that's why it will give you a resist message for carnage but no resist message for slow.

Anonymous # Tuesday, April 1, 2008 7:05:31 AM

Kaeko writes: lol