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Bloodlines - A pest and rip-off Pyramid Selling scheme!

Saturday, December 6, 2008 7:27:33 AM

[UPDATE: 23 Dec 2008 with some corrections and additional details & What you can do]
Bloodlines is not a Ponzi Scheme, but a Multi-Level Marketing and Pyramid Selling Scheme. Sorry about that smile.
I am not against Vampires, I am not against roleplay, but I am surely against Spampires and abuse.
Funny thing I just found out (15 Jan 2009)..I am banned from the bloodlines region. I guess thats a good thing *laughs*

I had to find found out that I was bitten by one of the zombies of the Bloodlines "game". I don't know when or where, but members of this "game" pestering SecondLife all over, target malls and public places, not related to any "roleplay" and especially target welcome and freebie areas with many Newbies around which are an easy target for unsolicited bite attacks.

I found myself listed on the Bloodlines database for I don't know how long. To only be able to get my stolen soul back and remove myself by buying some antidote "potion" from them for several hundred of L$.

Firstly it is an offense to put someone on a public database without providing information and getting consent. A blue popup, disguised as an animation request like a simple hug, is clearly not sufficient for that, rather a way to trick someone into the system. But worse than this is to use it to force people to pay them and buy that antidote to be removed from their database and website. Please note that avatar "souls" have a tangible monetary value inside SecondLife and are traded at prices of 599L$ up each. This was recently used by someone to create 500 (!) alts to sell the souls to bloodhungry zombies and according to his claims he made 2000US$ in just 3 weeks by doing so. Not to mention the profit the Bloodlines owners made and the betrayal of any serious roleplayer in that game.

I requested Bloodlines to purge my personal details from the databases of the Bloodlines system.

The answers I got from the creators/owners of Bloodlines were that I have to wear and activate a "Garlic Necklace" with unknown scripts inside, that would remove me from their site. I also got an answer that they manually activated that thing for me and put me on their no-bite list.

Lastly I got an answer that they did me a "favour" and removed me from their databases.

This removal did not take place, it was checked with a member of Bloodlines that I am still listed in their database and not even marked as to be no longer attacked.

This means Bloodlines / Liquid Designs intentionally and repeatedly refuse to remove personal and private data from their systems that are used for Multi-Level Marketing and Pyramid Selling. Furthermore they add ones details to additional lists and systems of unknown purpose against clearly stated non-consent.

The real interesting point here is: Is SecondLife avatar information personal information or is SecondLife a game and are we all gamers and have no protection at all? If SecondLife is what they position themselves as, a to be taken seriously communication and online business platform with targeted corporate customers; how are individuals and their personal details and privacy protected on that platform, if at all?!

In summary, I as thousands of others are tricked not only into something that can barely be called "roleplay". I'm tricked into a pyramid selling scheme. To get removed I am forced to buy and use some garbage I don't want from someone I don't know; and in the end my details, clearly more than a name and an UUID, are still stored in this multi-level marketing system, open to an unknown and uncontrollable usage. Unprotected and not governed by any proper privacy policy.

I ask all to take a serious look at the Bloodlines pyramid scheme and the RL company that claims to be behind it with two names, Liquid Designs and Liquid Interactive LLC, an anonymous registered website, and no contacts or addresses. It is time to get active, request them to remove your data and file abuse reports against their unethical and annoying activities. I ask the Bloodlines creators to fix the flaws in the system, make it opt-in only and to stop members from attacking people outside designated roleplay areas. I also ask Linden Lab to take action to resolve the problems with Bloodlines in SecondLife.

What can you do by yourself?
Many people keep asking, how to get removed from their database and what to do against continued attacks. As the company "Liquid Design / Liquid Interactive" is virtually not existing, the website is anonymously registered and hosted, there are no names, contacts or addresses; ways of legal action in RL are limited. Especially when you are residing outside U.S. with different laws applicable.

The best way therefore is to use Secondlife's built-in Abuse Report (AR) system, and with some luck a report will be followed up. So more reports are filed against Bloodlines and their abusive "players", so sooner LL will take action.

To file an AR you simply need to click on the Help menu on top, then "Report Abuse". Depending if you want to file a report against the owners/creators of Bloodlines or against an attacker, the following categories are applicable:

- Fraud: Pyramid scheme or chain letter
- Assault: The bloodlines system is designed and used to attack people all over SL
- Harrassment: Soliciting/inciting others to violate ToS
- Disturbing the peace: Repetitive spam
- Disturbing the peace: Unwanted advert spam

You can choose one main abuse category and add the others to the body of the message. Don't forget to add some descriptive text why you file the report. If someone has a good template, please feel free to post it as comment here

I strongly recommend to make use of Abuse Reports!

Boy

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Comments

Anonymous Saturday, December 6, 2008 6:00:03 PM

Anonymous writes: Next question is: how do you know they really removed you from their database, and not just hidden from website as with garlic necklace ? MD

Anonymous Saturday, December 6, 2008 6:10:57 PM

Anonymous writes: A couple of more comments I'd like to leave: One, I agree with you, it's a pyramid, whose base presses on newbies unaware of how much they piss off people, or get scared by the experience, both things very negative. Two, a$$h01es are everywhere. Lack of common sense can make one someone aware of it to behave annoyingly, regardless knowing it's wrong. Any large community has such subjects, we all know too well. Three, I personally know *WONDERFUL* people that also happen to like that game. People that would never bother you in any way, they just RP their game in the most correct and pleasant way you can wonder about. So, fight the system if it's wrong fight the bad apples as there are be understanding with the ones that are unaware (newbies) ... we have been too don't make a bunch of everybody has bl in their groups. They are not bad by definition. MD (not a player yet, but I might one day, just for love of these friends I have and never to bother anyone, I care too much Respect, as you well know)

Boy Laneboylane Saturday, December 6, 2008 6:32:53 PM

The problem is that Bloodlines is not a roleplay, but a numbers game. Architected following well known rip-off pyramid systems we all had to experience here in SL before with the banks. Not to mention RL.

Bloodlines only has one goal, to get as many people as possible involved who buy all kind of stuff a vampire needs; from the creators. And not even people who are "active" but also innocent victims who need to buy a potion for 999L to get their soul back. Thats a lot of money for a newbie, and may not only affect their wallets but their personal peace. There are a lot of people with serious beliefs around in SL. Bloodlines shows not the smallest piece of respect for them. Stealing a soul brings a couple of hundred of Lindens profit in the end.

Nothing against people who perhaps really find a bit of roleplay in it and enjoy it, but that whole thing is commercial and nothing else.

Boy Laneboylane Sunday, December 7, 2008 3:27:38 AM

Some additional confirmation about the databases they track people with against their will. The "Garlic Necklace" doesn't remove you from their database, it adds more data about you into their system. That makes it not better but worse and proves Bloodlines to be liars about the removal! As I wrote before I did not give my consent to be listed in their database, and doing so is a criminal offense in many countries.

To confirm this; I got the following Notecard from one of the creators of the bloodlines pest.

"We've manually activated the necklace for you: deactivated your account and put you on our no-bite list."

And my answer to that:

"I don't know if I was somehow unclear. I asked you to remove my details from any and all of your systems. That includes whatever no-bite list, databases, websites etc. you have. All of them, completely!

I'm not interested in you privacy policy, I'm not interested in any business with bloodlines and I'm not interested to be in any form or way associated with your system.

Again, you have a couple of days left to comply.

Boy Lane"

BuccaneerBraveheart Sunday, December 7, 2008 7:46:10 PM

I own a Bloodlines scanner and use it to help new people tricked into giving up their souls. It's always the same, they had no idea their Soul was taken. I have garlic necklaces to hand out, but I thought they only work to prevent bites? I take these "New Victims" to buy the "wormwood" potion for 249 Lindens from Bloodlines (a scam and rip-off) to take the curse off their souls. To me this is an assault on someone's religious believes about the sacredness of the Soul and it should be stopped.. Buc

Anonymous Monday, December 8, 2008 2:56:34 AM

Tex whybrow writes: i agree i was into this for a while and then it just lost interest for me because you have to pester people you bitten to buy the 599L thirst kit all your really doing is doing the marketing work for the owners ....its really quite silly. that and i even got obssessed about owning blood tanks and what how silly of me! its better to role play such things rather then rely on such tacky "tools" to have fun.

Anonymous Tuesday, December 9, 2008 8:27:26 AM

Lillyann writes: Though I have yet to get a bite-invite I am shocked how ignorant most people are (read the SL-Forum thread). By storing the UUID in an external Database they practically have their hands right at your... uh... privates. I will keep my eyes open on our SIMs and try to make sure that this is not pestering our tennants. But I am sure some of them are quite capable (or armed) to deal with vampires :) All that can be done for now is to AR the bite-invites, hope LL at least comments on that sometime (yeah, riiiiight). OT-Note: Love the Viewer, great work Boy (and all others of course) :)

Anonymous Tuesday, December 9, 2008 5:43:10 PM

Anonymous writes: Well, it's actually not against the law to store a made-up cartoon character's name in a database, so there's no real legal course here. Even if they had RL information but are not revealing it to anyone, then it's also legal to store it in a database. Just not legal to store RL info and sell it or reveal it to others.

Anonymous Tuesday, December 9, 2008 8:26:28 PM

Anonymous writes: Well I can agree with some points here but many are just I wouldn't know how to say it. OK yes I guess the bloodlines game has some things well many they need to work out. But its just many beliefs and preferences are brought into this game not everyone should have to follow you're views and people should be tolerant of it. I did find the blue message enough info for me to decide if I want to be bitten or not. I read things very carefully but many people do not this should be fixed but at what cost. If they made a more detailed message or something to make sure they caught your attention think of how more annoying that could be. I agree bloodlines need to be fixed but I don't agree it should be removed. If you agreed to the message by consent you allowed them to let you be put in their database what. I find it disheartening they even though you tell them to remove you from their database they don't that needs to be fixed. As for the religious and the people crying over pixalated info called souls is just sad. Even if someone has this fake info called a soul its not real its just part of the bloodlines game but if you still cant stand it do what boy did and asked to be removed. I am not totally agreeing on this bloodlines thing but the actions I've seen taken is just too much. Like the banishment of all bloodlines members from a sim. That is full blown discrimination. Just cause someone is a member of a group doesn't mean they shouldn't be banned just because they are in that group. If they have done something wrong then sure by all means ban them but if they haven't then they shouldn't be banned. Lets say a bloodlines member is in that sim to shop just then boom ban. He hasn't done anything wrong he was just there to buy things for himself but no he was discriminated on for what he plays and has joined. There needs to be a middle ground here by the people at bloodlines and the people against it. Its not far that one group should be able to destroy one or another. A lot of things between the people against the bloodlines and bloodlines can be shown in the real world today. SO think about it if this was in real life what it would be like. Also to the people saying this isn't real life this is just sl take your own words and listen to it. If its sl then why do you care so much for pixalted info. Now I am not for either side but both sides sevrealy need work on their actions in my opinion.

Boy Laneboylane Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:09:11 AM

Thanks for all the comments and feedback. It is a good thing that people become more aware of these activities. I am clearly not against Vampires or any form of roleplay that is consentual. In terms of Bloodlines, tolerance can only be stretched to a certain limit, that is now beyond its threshold. The creators of that game have to fix the flaws, make it opt-in only and limit it to their designated roleplay areas. Everything else is unsolicited spam, and to trick people in a pyramid selling scheme is abuse.

I've cleaned up the original thread and make the information more easily readable. I hope that helps to understand my point of view.

*Vampire friendly*
Boy

Anonymous Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:32:15 PM

Vampire writes: Indeed you are right about the pyramid element in it. But isn't it all the same with everything. People do click yes, i agree, on every pop-up box anywhere, anytime, anyplace. It's not te BLs "game" what is the problem, it is the people who get involved. Personally I had a little fun with BL for a while, but it gets bored. Indeed, no roleplay and a lot of commerce around it without any fun of "real roleplay" like Avilion or so. Personally I think Liquid Designs could create one of the two "Free" items: A bite zone object where you can only bite within a range of 250 meters around it, or a no-bite zone object with the same range. Next to that my opinion is that BL has to have a policy that SL players younger then 60 days cannot be bitten, allthough they can become vampire if they like. And also that bitten players who don't become Vampire are removed from the database after 30 days or maybe 60 days, and not marked for deletion but really deleted. But there are so many other thing which can be changed in Bloodlines.

Anonymous Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:28:12 PM

Anonymous writes: Remembering vaguely someone wanting bite me some months ago, and not even remembering if I was in a good or bad mood so no idea if I agreed, what is the url to check their database to see if I'm in it or not? To my knowledge I've never been contacted by anyone, but my SL time is limited so maybe I've just been lucky. As for banning by association or group, it happens all the time in SL. I happen to be a 'furry' and have no 'human' av. There are a number of sims, primarily GOR related, that I would be banned from the instant I was spotted by any member of the sims group. Not because of anything I said or did, but simply because I'm not human. While I think it is a poor way to do business, I also think that if someone is paying for a sim, then they should have the right to allow or dis-allow anyone they choose, for any reason whatsoever. It's not like it's government owned public land. As far as the BL database, if there is any way that it can connect your AV to ANY RL information, then I believe that it is violating the privacy laws unless they provide a real opt-out mechanism and remove all information about you from their publically accessible DB. lrt

Boy Laneboylane Friday, December 12, 2008 2:43:40 AM

@Anonymous

You can check it at slbloodlines.com with the search function. This however doesn't show always if you are in their database. The best way is to find someone who owns a bloodlines HUD and can check for you.

Regarding connecting AV and RL information, that is pretty simple. As per SL ToS you are required to register with your RL names and details. As such there is a direct linkage between AV and RL information. Bloodlines do not provide any opt-in/out mechanism.

Anonymous Friday, December 12, 2008 2:15:56 PM

Innula Zenovka writes: @Lillyann ... "By storing the UUID in an external Database they practically have their hands right at your... uh... privates." ... Oh dear. I suspect http://w-hat.com/name2key have their hands on rather more people's privates than do Bloodlines.

Boy Laneboylane Friday, December 12, 2008 6:43:54 PM

@Innula

No offense, but you obviously did not read this thread and you missed a lot of information before you answered out of the blue smile. Especially you did not read the comment just before yours. It is not about a UUID here or any web services that offer a name <=> UUID resolution.

Anonymous Friday, December 12, 2008 7:43:54 PM

Anonymous writes: There is actually a second system out there now, that in a way avoids the whole bloodlines issue, "" is a newer system for vamps/lycans/slayers that is run much differently the creators are much more available and into the users and the way its put together its made to cause less greif with the bane of bloodlines in mind. Admittedly im a former bloodlines fan my self so I have nothing against the new player who dont know the trouble that come with it or the role players that do it respectfully with out greifing others. Personally after seeing what it really was I left it, I let my self die not wishing to give them any more o my money but im still lingering in the system a dead vamp to this day. What bothers me most is that it seems all vamps get a bad name in SL simply due to bloodines wether they are members or not(speaking from expirience). So I know I must sound like an advertisment but assure you, I get no personal gain from saying this, Im not an owner nore and employee of theirs, and I do sincerely mean well when I say to do SL a favor look into first before making a choice, because its time for a change and I think the is it.

Anonymous Friday, December 12, 2008 9:30:49 PM

Innula Zenovka writes: Sorry, Boy, but I don't see what you're driving at. The comment directly above mine is "Regarding connecting AV and RL information, that is pretty simple. As per SL ToS you are required to register with your RL names and details. As such there is a direct linkage between AV and RL information. Bloodlines do not provide any opt-in/out mechanism." What AV information does the Bloodlines database contain about me, as a result of my once having been bitten, that would be of assistance to someone wanting to connect my RL and AV information that's not readily available from w-hat.com? Other than who bit me and where and when (I assume), but I can't see that being of interest to anyone but another vampire. I agree that Bloodlines are a nuisance; as you say, a pest and rip-off. If the complaint is they sucker willing volunteers into participating in a pyramid selling scheme that encourages them to make a nuisance of themselves, then no argument from me. I just don't see any particular privacy implications, at least for people who don't actually play Bloodlines, that wouldn't equally exist were Bloodlines not around. I am sure there are some, but I don't understand what they are even after re-reading the thread several times.

Boy Laneboylane Saturday, December 13, 2008 3:39:01 AM

@Innola

People have different understandings and feelings about their privacy expectations, data stored by others and commercial exploitation of that data. In many countries there are laws and regulations to govern privacy to cope with that and protect people's interests.

The Bloodlines systems does not only store your name and UUID, they store a lot more of information. I don't really know how much (as they fail to provide a proper privacy policy), but they store at least information of someone who has bitten you and now owns your soul (tangible value), if you are active or not, how many other people you have bitten, their names and linked details, your rank in the pyramid system ("generation") and if you don't want to be attacked again. It likely also includes your purchase statistics with the things you bought from them. It doesn't matter if you are an "active player" or not as you are listed (and as such associated with Bloodlines) in the same zombie database online searchable by everyone.

There is an open question if Avatar data is just random game data and can be used by anyone for anything including spamming, harrassment and money schemes of all kinds. We have seen that before with the banks. With the ban of not RL-registered banks LL was pretty clear about that it is not just a game. It is real money, and it is real business. Regardless if virtual or not.

I requested Bloodlines to purge my details from their database for the simple reason I never opted in or gave my consent and I don't want to be listed in their system (indexed by Google and others). They refused to do so, even worse they lied about it and added me to an additional database - again against my consent and without providing clear information what is collected and stored under which conditions. Depending on a legal answer to above question by doing so they violate the California Online Privacy Protection Act (where the company claims to reside). For me this is at least unethical, if not more.

Boy

Anonymous Monday, December 15, 2008 1:59:14 AM

Anonimo writes: Just a precisation: if you dont join the game NOBODY own your soul, if you were bitten your souls its in limbo inside bloodlines, and you DONT need to buy a potion or anything else if you dont care about the game. Yes I know its boring all those bite request but blame the bad users for that!

Anonymous Monday, December 15, 2008 8:48:24 PM

Anonymous writes: Boy Lane, Yes Yes and Yes. LL should ban this fraud and not doing it shows what really matters. As for the makers we know wht they are doing now. More fraud and scamming. Law enforcement cannot come fast enough to virtual worlds.

Anonymous Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:54:41 AM

Anonimo writes: Oh BTW there is at least another vampire game, , where users bite people without asking and without animation,you dont click yes or not but they get your souls and you become their familiar even if you dont click yes willing or not, and they put your name on their database/websites, but i dont see anyone blaming them for that why?

Anonymous Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:00:09 AM

Jenna writes: Imagine the situation, somewhere on a sim with many BDSM shops, someone rent a smal shop and installs an avatr scanner or more shops and more scanner, which collect information about what avatar was how long at which location. Connected that information in a global database, together with where is what shop on the sim, one can easilly recognize what desire which avatar has. The same with many roleplay sims. Now if one is able to connnect that data with the real names, one is able to offer a nice service. Every personal manager can pick up a name of a person wanting a job in his office, call the service and know which desires that person has. Without anybody ask Your permission to collect that data, we every time let our traks in the internet if we klick any homepage a well in SL if we go somewhere. As well in RL where the security cams take our pictures. I think, the data, bloodlines collect is harmless in comparison what one can collect in SL. And i also think, as long vampires are not banned and playing everywhere and bite anybody without asking, the data who is biten by whom and where has little relevance. I was biten once by a person who became later my friend, he never told me to buy something, I read about potions in this blog first time :) thank You. But i do not care about to pay my soul back. I thought that time, i considered to a hug, so i did not agreed really, so my soul is not sold. And anybody may take also a picture of me walking somewhere, and sell the pic around. If it is good, i might buy it, if not i let it. Or someone may look into the chat log and take my typos and make nice emotes from them and sell them around. Nice idea, not mine, so much luck. And each of them, the pic or emote might be called my soul. why not. it is something from me, but i am not forced to buy any of it, i can do it if i like them. Sorry about that length, but what i wanted was to say, take it easier but perhaps i made it worser :) Anyway, and by the way, Boy, You make a good work, I thank You for it very much.

Boy Laneboylane Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:48:23 AM

As I wrote before, everybody has a different understanding of privacy. If you are ok to be listed on a pyramid scam website, searchable by Google, and you feel it is harmless, it is your personal thing. For me and many others it is not ok and not harmless. That there are others doing worse doesn't make that any way better, rather points to action to better protect people's, including avatar's, privacy.

Anonymous Tuesday, December 16, 2008 6:42:17 PM

101st airborne vamp writes: to the creator of this blog we vampires only take souls when given permission by the person we bite at least the clans i know do that so back the fuck off of the majority of the vampires

Anonymous Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:54:57 AM

TWittels writes: Seems best to start of with a disclaimer: I have nothing against vampires, lycans, zombies, furs, Goreans ect. Far as I am concerned everyone should be free to live their SL as they wish. With that said BL is a blight in SL, now I'm sure that there are some wonderfull people who use BL (not going to include 101airborne among them based on the mastery of the english language)but that does not make it ok to store information about others and when requested not remove said info. Next up... hiding behind "but others do it"? what kind of lame excuse is that? so because your neighbor has a meth lab in the kitchen you should be allowed to have one too? <QUOTE> 101st airborne vamp writes: to the creator of this blog we vampires only take souls when given permission by the person we bite at least the clans i know do that so back the fuck off of the majority of the vampires <END QUOTE> What exactly does that have to do with the unauthorized storage of information and none removal of such when requested? next <QUOTE> Innula Zenovka writes: @Lillyann ... "By storing the UUID in an external Database they practically have their hands right at your... uh... privates." ... Oh dear. I suspect http://w-hat.com/name2key have their hands on rather more people's privates than do Bloodlines.<END QUOTE> The usage/need for such can actually be traced to SL 25 groups limit. Is there room for abuse? of course there is but that is the case with most things and that is why there are rules/laws about how to handle such information. Even if the only "rule" is ethics. The situation as I see it here (aside from the random bite spam and poor RP of many of these BL (L)users) is that the owners behind it was: A. Asked to remove personal information from their database. B. They failed to do so. C. They lied about it. D. They added even more information to a second database.

Boy Laneboylane Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:57:52 AM

"101st airborne vamp writes:

to the creator of this blog we vampires only take souls when given permission by the person we bite at least the clans i know do that so back the fuck off of the majority of the vampires"

I'm not entertaining further spampire advertisements, timewasters who are too lazy to read, disturbance or aggression here. Any further postings containing any of these will be deleted without comment.

If you want to contribute constructively, either side is welcome, then please READ THE COMPLETE THREAD first and answer in a CIVILIZED form.

Thanks!

Anonymous Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:20:36 AM

Anonymous writes: I would like to point out this: "name here" would like to give you a Vampire bite. This will register you with The Thirst::Bloodlines system, and you'll get a FREE pair of bite marks. If you accept the bite, you don't have to play, and if you get bitten, you don't have to drink a potion to undo it. Say Yes to accept! So basically you completely missed that and did not read that and accepted it?

Boy Laneboylane Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:45:17 AM

You could have read the first posting.

"Firstly it is an offense to put someone on a public database without providing information and getting consent. A blue popup, disguised as an animation request like a simple hug, is clearly not sufficient for that, rather a way to trick someone into the system."

I add this to my previous announcement: timewaster comments will be deleted from now on as well smile

Anonymous Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:48:00 AM

TWittels writes: <QUOTE> Anonymous writes: I would like to point out this: "name here" would like to give you a Vampire bite. This will register you with The Thirst::Bloodlines system, and you'll get a FREE pair of bite marks. If you accept the bite, you don't have to play, and if you get bitten, you don't have to drink a potion to undo it. Say Yes to accept! So basically you completely missed that and did not read that and accepted it?<END QUOTE> And so it is OK <QUOTE>that the owners behind it was: A. Asked to remove personal information from their database. B. They failed to do so. C. They lied about it. D. They added even more information to a second database.<END QUOTE> is that what you are saying?

Anonymous Wednesday, December 17, 2008 2:21:32 AM

digital String writes: I totally agree with you, Boy Lane.. this is almost a criminal act and shoud be checked if the unauthorised collecting of persoanl Data isnt: 1) totally against the LL-TOS 2) a anonymous registered Webside is surely NOT allowed in Europe if you do run business over it 3) what creepy minds are behind all that just to make them some bucks... but as usually.. Money litters almost any values to nothing down.. well.. even when I dont mind Vampires and RP about it.. SOME dignity and respect for others should be kept.. and not running the way as it is.. tc

Anonymous Wednesday, December 17, 2008 2:26:09 AM

digital String writes: one more thing YOU can protect yourself AGAINST unswantet collecting of your personal data.. and it is in some countrys a crime .. and well.. it still is not correct at all HOW that RP is handled outside ANY RP-Sim

Anonymous Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:22:57 PM

Anonymous writes: Thanks Boy Lane for posting this. Blasted spampires. Would it be possible to script to detect if an av is wearing a Bloodlines HUD? I would love to put something on my land that automatically does ban everyone entering with that shite HUD, but sadly I'm not a good enough scripter for that.

Boy Laneboylane Friday, December 19, 2008 1:12:32 AM

Here is what you need:
http://www.landmachine.com/?products=buffybot

Anonymous Friday, December 19, 2008 7:14:40 PM

Anonymous writes: I have been in SL for well over a year. In that time, I have refused each and every stupid bite request that came my way. Recently, my Mistress wanted to become a vampire which is actually kinda sexy. She leads me on a chain, and RP feeds on me whenever. It is UBER hot. Anyway. My problem with bloodlines is that while Mistress was RPing my first ever bite by a vampire, some a$$hat offered a bit at about the same time as my Mistress was going to. Being caught up in the moment, not really reading who it was from, i accepted. Ruined EVERYTHING. BL will not remove you from their database for any reason. I tried to offer them money even, to be completely removed, so I could be listed as being bitten by my Mistress, and ONLY my Mistress. Now, It shows she was the second one to bite me. It sucks. The note that pops up, NEVER mentions that you will be permenantly and irrevocably entered into some database, with your details available for the world to see. It sucks BIG time.

Anonymous Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:31:50 AM

Anonymous writes: @#9 Discrimination? Sure, maybe, but does a sim owner not have the right...nay...the duty to protect it's visitors? I will gather, from my own experiences with these griefers (and yes, I will lump them in with griefers), that well over 90% of the names in the bloodlines database never had any role play associated with the bite. In addition, Of that 90%, I would wager that over 75% of those, were 1) newbs, 2) did not know their 'soul' would be lost (the stupid blue cards do NOT say ANYTHING about losing your soul if you are bitten) and 3) certainly had no idea they would be permanently and irrevocably entered into an online database. Think of the bloodlines as a gang. Plenty of stores do not allow gang colors to be worn in them. Nor allow known gang members entrance. Sure, some of the bloodlines people will RP. I have met, maybe 3 of them that actually tried to RP. The other 100+ bites I turned down were with zero role play. Not only no role play, mostly never a word spoken. Just the card pops up that someone wants to give you bite marks. It's crap. It's decptive, and it's dishonest. Also, the sim owner is the one who pays for the sim. IF they want to exclude a group of people, because they have been shown to be problems in the past, it is their right to do so.

Anonymous Monday, December 22, 2008 10:07:35 PM

Anonymous writes: I must say.... I love the bloodlines HUD for RP. Yes I agree that it shares pretty much every characteistic of a pyramid and yes I also agree that there are many bad eggs out there. But to instantly ban someone for wearing the HUD is ignorant. Fine... yes... you have that right. But it's still ignorant none the less. I RP being a vamp. I talk to my victims. I RP. Not all of us are bad. Any more broad-generalizations while you're at it? Heck... mite as well ban AV's with turbins on their heads.... they must be terrorists right?

Boy Laneboylane Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:15:27 AM

@anonymous

Simple thing, the creators designed Bloodlines to spam residents all over SecondLife with their pyramid scam. That's is to maximise profit. There are no controls in place. There are no rules. I don't count some half hearted Garlic Necklace that is placed on non-participants. I'm not interested in wearing unknown scripts I don't want from someone I don't know nor wish to know.

But the main thing is, this "RP" how you call it is not limited to designated roleplay areas. I don't wan't to be attacked in a mall or on an welcome island. If that would happend to me in RL I would call the police, and the attacker and repeated offenders would be removed. The same happens in SL. If you wear weapons in a club you will be removed. If you wear fangs or that automated HUD (what has this to do with roleplay anyway?) which are nothing else but weapons you will be removed. That is banned. If you try to bite you will be reported for abuse. And there will be no discussion about it.

Thank the creators of Bloodlines. Or better, think about a better alternative that truely allows you to roleplay and have fun to be a vampire. Not a spampire that sucks....not for blood, for money only.

Anonymous Friday, December 26, 2008 7:09:30 AM

Summer Seale writes: Ok I'll be totally politically incorrect and say that if somebody "bites" me and it doesn't tell me it's a vampire thing, I'll first kick their ass, then I'll orbit them, then I'll ban them, and then I'll AR them for fun. =) Vampire RP is bullshit to me, as is most RP. I laugh at it, I think it's totally for fucking losers and I'd just mute whatever is spamming me about buying their stuff. =) I make absolutely no apologies for my opinions, and I also laugh at anyone who takes offense at what I said. Going around "biting" people in random sims is bullshit and it's stupid. I have nothing to do with vampires, I don't want anything to do with vampires, and I couldn't care less about what people think about vampires being all important in their miserable stupid lives. I take as much offense to being "bitten" by a vampire as some vampires do to my telling them exactly how I feel in random postings. So to vampires who go around biting people randomly all over SL: and get a fucking life you nerds. =) Also, stay the fuck away from mine, thanks. =)

Anonymous Friday, December 26, 2008 7:54:39 PM

Ana Lutetia writes: How do I know if my name was listed...?

Boy Laneboylane Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:28:25 AM

You can search google or their website, but that doesn't always show if you are in their database. The best is to find someone with their HUD and let them check for you.

Anonymous Sunday, February 1, 2009 1:09:25 PM

Logris writes: I am really sorry that you did not get removed when you requested. That is bull. I am a bloodlines player but I make sure to explain to people that their "soul" will be in limbo. If they decide that they want to become a vampire then their "soul" will belong to me. Also I tell them that they need the hud and such. I do not even send the bite request until they have said it is okay in conversation first. As far as having to buy the hud to be a vamp, well, as far as I can see you have to pay for almost all huds. But if you don't want to be on the database then bloodlines should remove you without you having to buy any potions or anything. I don't understand why they didn't just remove you. It really doesn't make sense. (Their not removing you i mean). Unfortunately their are people out there who abuse it to get their numbers up. My clan and I are just about having fun. It is too bad that the rest of us are being banned from sims because of some bad apples I had hoped that in SL there would not be prejudices as there are in RL. Unfortunately there are all the old ones and a lot of new ones. I have friends who RP as furries, elves, vampires, slaves and masters, dragons, or whatever. It's just a game folks. I hope that the BL website does as you ask and removes you from the database so you can feel secure in your privacy again.

Boy Laneboylane Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:08:55 AM

Advertisements and soliciting for rip off schemes and inciting people to harass others will be deleted without further comment.

Anonymous Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:51:38 PM

Lyle Maeterlinck writes: Hi Boy, Lyle Maeterlinck here from Bloodlines. Thanks for agreeing to take down your claim that we're a Ponzi scheme. We're not a pyramid scheme either, by the way. A pyramid scheme is a business model that just offers money for enrolling more people into the scheme, with no product or service being offered, and we're nothing of the sort. We don't offer money to our players, and we do offer a service. We do have affiliate vendors, but so do many other businesses. Your name was removed from our website long ago. Please let me know if you find your name anywhere on our website, and we'll take it down immediately, of course. We do however reserve the right to keep internal records of transactions between avatars and our system, just like any online system does. Of course, we always remove names from our website when people ask, and we provide a free, copy/transfer way for people to do this themselves: The Garlic Necklace. All anyone has to do is activate it once, and discard it, and they won't be bothered again. Please let me know if there's anything else we can help you with. ~Lyle

Anonymous Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:49:51 AM

tani writes: Hey Lyle hope you are well. Im from Kindred Retail and have watched Mars and Lyle make This a great business. You guys have done really well and deserve the credit where it is due. Just thought I would give you all a heads up regarding websites. Yes there are a few 'dare I say' potential security issues involved. This however is no different to any website you may visit. Yes IP addresses can be recorded. Yes and No, It would be very difficult to link an SL avatar with a RL person without their personal details entered in the first place. Solution: If you are that concerned that you are being violated, dont go to the webpage. Its as simple as that. Ooops I just realised that im on a webpage right now. That means they have my IP address already! Does this mean they will be able to get my Home address? Simple answer: Only visit sites you trust. Good luck Lyle and Interesting Post Boylane

Anonymous Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:44:35 PM

Anonimo writes: Hello i was in the slbloodline website and i did a search for they ip so i found they own 2 website one end with .com the other with .org now the question is isnt the .org domain reserved for no profit organisation? If so why they have the same website also with .org?

Anonymous Monday, September 28, 2009 3:51:16 PM

Damian writes: And I guess the CIA really did kill JFK....first of all, as several people have mentioned, of the thousands of BL players it only takes a small percentage to give the rest a bad name. Personal Info? get serious an avatar name is not personal info. Does BL like to make money? duh, everything about SL is about money, do you complain about Linden Labs? they keep real personal info in their records and love their money... Souls worth money??? don't know who you talk to, not worth a dime to me, actually didn't even know there were souls until a vamp friend told me. Most vamps help the new recruit with the purchase of the HUD anyway, and nobody forces you to join BL, if you want to play then pay, otherwise go on about your SL life and don't worry about it. BL did make a new rule and put it in the HUD so ppl under 14 days old can not be bitten, this was for sole protection of the noob...When I see a noob about to turn 14 days old I warn them not to accept a bite request unless they want it and have been informed of EVERYTHING about BL...I am not an anomaly there are lots of honorable vamps out there. And lastly, Pyramid scheme??? you are an utter retard and obviously don't know squat about what free market capitalism is, I reiterate, don't want to pay, don't play...it's not like some uninformed noob who accepted a bite request and looses his soul wont go to SL heaven.. Unethical vamps are not the only thing that pisses me off...so do ppl who write scathing blogs about a subject they know nothing about...You are a sheep and have listened to more uninformed sheep, go drink some cool-aid.

Anonymous Friday, October 9, 2009 6:58:32 PM

Lordy writes: 1. The "Soul" in Bloodlines only has relevance IN Bloodlines. It has no meaning whatsoever outside of the game. 2. Why did you say Yes to being bitten? Do you usually say Yes or Sign something without knowing who is asking or why? You cannot be bitten without clicking the Yes. 3. The same can be said for products that include RLV in them without very obvious warnings as to what it is and what it can do. 4. Everytime you walk in to a store that has an automated greeter or visitor lister on it...data is being collected on your avi. 5. Some people are just jealous over the fact someone has figured out a way to make a steady income stream on SL...even though participation is completely voluntary. 6. Some people just get mad at a content creator because they don't play well in the system that they purchased and find the content creator and those who do play well in the system an easy target for harassment. 5. For those of you who feel you need to ban or harass anyone who wears the Bloodlines HUD, be aware that your name may be compiled as being Hostile to Bloodlines players and your sims, services, and products may become boycotted as well as a possible AR filed against/towards you. Just be careful what you ask for and ask yourself if it is worth it over a game?

Boy Laneboylane Saturday, October 10, 2009 3:34:12 AM

@Lordy & Co.
It's a very old posting, almost a year old. Still you fail to digest and understand it's content, so I strongly suggest you read the posting again.

I'm not providing a platform here for scam and spam advertisement. Bloodlines is a pyramid scheme by it's very design that forces "players" which are actually not role playing at all to harass and recruiting new victims. It is also clear that the vaguely existing company behind Bloodlines "Liquid Designs" or "Liquid Interactive" without an address, contact details or names does not provide a proper privacy policy but rather tries to hide their real identity. Typical for scam artists and unacceptable. Even more interesting would be how such a vaguely existing company handles their taxation issues with the authorities given the steady stream of income they generate wink.

Further promotional comments for Bloodlines here will be deleted without discussion.

Anonymous Monday, November 16, 2009 8:31:54 PM

Anonymous writes: I got soooo bored reading some of the posts on here that I started poking myself in the eye!

Anonymous Friday, December 4, 2009 6:45:52 PM

Anonymous writes: Isn't everyone on SL really RPing anyhow? Annoying others is one thing...but some of you and your perspective on what RP is ...is really quite skewed. Keep telling yourself it's real.

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