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Grammar, people, really...

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I work in a multicultural, multilingual environment. I understand that languages can be difficult to learn (you should hear me try to speak Russian if you want a laugh), and that it is worth trying not to offend people. But sometimes...

I got a common piece of spam the other day, which included the following:

..., a person they’ve done business with at @@, requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn



(In the original I also got a stupid entity thing instead of an apostrophe)

A person they've?!?! Hello people, which they are you talking about?? I get more and more annoyed that sites use "they" instead of "him" or "her".


I understand that some people don't want to say if they are male or female (just saying you are female seems to invite lots of extra unwelcome attention - although my profiles generally admit that I am male and I still get asked if I am a nice girl and want to chat with some guy or other...). I understand that sites like facebook, dopplr or linkedin don't want to offend their users.

But I will happily tell all three of these sites that I am male. (Although I have accounts on all three, inpractice I pretty much ignore facebook, I only ever logged into linkedIn once, but I do use DopplR because the people who made it are nice, and it does something useful). So if they think I am happy for them to have the information, why do they think that they are somehow special and I tell them things I wouldn't tell the rest of the world?

And as for the above example, it is just plain wrong. I believe LinkedIn meant to say "a person you've done business with". And they probably should figure out how to use a simple apostrophe or just write the words in full.

Here endeth the grumpy-old-person-with-nothing-better-to-do rant. (I have real work to do - next time I will try to write about something more important - or at least more important to me).

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Comments

koalie 6. February 2009, 09:59

"On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog"

inkel 12. February 2009, 13:22

I couldn't agree more with you. Sadly this also happens in Spanish speaking companies as well, they do not know how to write a letter or even the meaning of words, so they make awful mistakes.

grammarman 17. March 2009, 09:45

I'm afraid you are completely wrong. In the phrase '... a person they've done business with', 'they' is the subject of the verb 'have' and 'a person' is the object of the preposition 'with'. There is no reason whatsoever why they should agree in number or person as they do not refer to the same person or persons. You wouldn't find anything to complain about in the sentence 'They've done business with a person', would you?

chaals 18. March 2009, 20:24

@grammarman, it depends on the meaning of "they", which you get from its context (as you point out) typically by referring to the subject of the previous verb. In this specific case, it is clearly referring to a singular person. E.g. "Grammarman wrote to me. They think this example is grammatically correct". Which doesn't sound right to me whether you take 'grammarman' or 'me' as the subject of the second sentence (assuming grammarman is singular, as it appears).

(I realise that english is slowly losing touch with its old grammar, but this example still strikes me as egregiously wrong).

e-jit 1. April 2009, 12:11

Was the stupid entity thing ’ or ' ?
I can't really see the point of ', since there's a perfectly good ASCII apostrophe.
There is a use for ’, but the WYSIWYG world routinely abuses it where an apostrophe was actually intended - and what the user thought she or he typed. Unfortunately, despite the problem being solved in TeX years ago, WYSIWYG editors seem unable to detect that there is no left-single-quote waiting to be closed, so always use right-single-quote when the user types an apostrophe. Since what they see is all they've got, users don't notice that this is wrong - after all, they typed the right thing ...

chaals 1. April 2009, 15:09

@e-jit, I don't recall to be honest. But yeah, there are lots of problems with people building tools that do dumb little things... I think this one comes from people copying "smart quotes" in MS Word, and not doing it in a smart way....

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