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Every so often I join another "social network" service. In general, I find they are not that sociable...

Facebook:

What's to like? People send me invitations to join groups, or to use some application that collects a bunch of data about me, so that I can get dozens of messages a day that I don't have time to read. And nothing that I put there is on "the web" - people have to log in and agree to facebook's outrageously large set of conditions before they can see it.

On top of that, facebook tells me I cannot have three capital letters in my last name. And I am sorry, but that isn't a decision for facebook to make.

Twitter:

Darling of the month. Another service that won't accept my own name. It's neat, although for a service that only does half a dozen things I found it surprisingly difficult to work out how to get around. I travel a lot and it won't work with my phone (at roaming prices for SMS data I don't want it to, either). Using a widget would make it OK, but fundamentally I don't have time to follow stuff right now, all the time.

I think microblogging just doesn't fit well with my life.

MySpace, Blogger:

I logged in there. I just never used it - so I don't know what I think of it really.

LinkedIn:

I'm waiting to see. It's more or less a closed system like facebook, but it seems that people use it a lot less voraciously - maybe it's worth the effort (since that is orders of magnitude less).

Etc:

I used a few older services briefly, but none of them seemed useful enough to carry on. So I didn't...

My.Opera:

Well, I am here, right? I sarted using this because I got a job at Opera, and was looking at the then new version in development. Things I like:
  • It puts stuff on the Web, so people can see it without forcing them to be a part of the system.
  • I don't get nagged to provide more information if I don't want to.
  • It does almost everything I want (photos, blogs, FOAF, tags mapped to real things, store random stuff)
  • It has reasonably useful (if basic) privacy control mechanisms.

Basically, it leaves me with a handful of feature requests rather than serious frustrations. Of course I work for Opera... so I know the guys and how they have a lot on their plate already, so my requests get queued like everyone else's...

But if they would let me put my own alt text into photos some time soon, that would be nice... :smile:

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Comments

SqueakeyCat 10. May 2009, 17:11

:cool:

jod999 11. May 2009, 02:36

Hi Charles

Walled gardens work sometimes. Flickr is a good example. I want to control who can see my photos. And LinkedIn works because it sticks relatively close to one thing - business networking.

Here are my thoughts, for what they are worth.

LinkedIn



I like LinkedIn. Here's why:

  • It mostly sticks to its purpose of connecting people for professional reasons.
  • Now I just point people to my LinkedIn page when they want a CV (for a conference, etc).
  • My friend Kelly used it very effectively to find small, local multimedia firms to work on a museum exhibition. She searched LinkedIn for potential people, and then contacted them via messages passed through her LinkedIn network. This allowed her to find people that were right for the job, but would have probably been invisible on a standard Web search.


Last FM


I like Last FM. It does one thing, and it does it really well. It watches the
music I listen to on my ipod and computer, and then compares it to other people who listen to similar music.

  • It analyzes real data, which is great, and all to rare.
  • It tells me other music that I might like, and it is usually right.
  • All the data that goes onto it is shared via a creative commons license, so it is available for reuse.
  • I don't use most of the social networking stuff built in, but it does make it easy to buy birthday pressies for friends, if they have a profile on there.


Delicious



I find myself using the social networking aspects of Delicious more and more.

  • Mostly I use this to share links with colleagues, particularly when we are working on a joint project.
  • I appreciate most of the material that friends think that I would be interested in. Generally I am.


Flickr


My friend, Flickr, is great! It allows me to share photos with the public, with friends and with family.

  • While I wouldn't mind a 'share with work colleagues' option, the first three are good enough for me.
  • I love getting an e-mail when friends have added photos.
  • I love being able to add a comment to a friend's photo, and the fact that I can help to tag their photos, too.


The rest



I agree with your comments on FaceBook (and MySpace is practically the same, except that some local bands make good use of it).

I mostly agree about Twitter, except that it can be handy as a quick call-out for help. Two examples from my posts are: "Anyone know a contact at the Coles or Qantas Web teams?" and "I'm in Sydney for the next three days (unexpectedly). Anyone have time for a coffee?"

I see blog systems (like Blogger and MyOpera) as being different from social networks. But that is just me and besides, I use LiveJournal, so what can I say?

PS: Closed tags space everything out a lot on this comment system, don't they. And the preview shows heading as tags, even though they work when you save... A preview button would help.

Chas4 11. May 2009, 05:39

I am on MyO of corse

fb just for high school and college friends

I am using twitter for news

the others I nvr have used

jsmanrique 11. May 2009, 08:06

I am using several "social" network solutions, and main problem is that they seem to be islands:
- I have different "friends" on each one.. how could I tell everyone the same thing?
- I have different "friendship" levels (colleagues, family, ...) with different interests (technology, personal, ...) and different languages (spanish, english, ...) How could I filter what I say to each one?

My partial solutions are:
- Using ping.fm (http://ping.fm) to post status in different networks (facebook, twitter and identi.ca)
- Using flickr.com to post my photos and Vimeo for videos (I am currently testing Ovi Share for photo and videos...)
- I have 3 blogs:
* One in Spanish about mobile and opensource technologies
* One in English about same themes but focused most on Maemo platform
* One in English in MyOpera about web standards and mobile web
- I use Google Reader, and its posting and sharing utilities for "posting" comments about news I read

And all of this, and more, can be followed using my FriendFeed:
http://friendfeed.com/jsmanrique

And I would like MyOpera becoming something similar to FriendFeed, making third party RSS integration easier...

andol 11. May 2009, 21:18

There's one "but" with My Opera. I do not like its terms of service. I'm, still here, since I believe that these terms are not taken seriously by Opera Software. But if this is the case, why not to set realistic and meaningful terms?

Don't you think that the my.opera.com license policy goes a bit too far by saying, that every single photo of my little child sent to a private album may be used by Opera Software in connection with their business? Not to mention, that I'm not able to call off the deal? (irrevocable license)

After reading this excerpt of Terms of Service:

By uploading Content to Opera's site, you grant Opera an unrestricted, royalty-free, worldwide, irrevocable license to use, reproduce, display, perform, modify, transmit and distribute such material in any manner, including in connection with Opera's business, and you also agree that Opera is free to use any ideas, concepts, know-how or techniques that you send Opera for any purpose.


read this:
http://www.bogusartfair.info/realunfavourable

Were the terms of my.opera.com well considered, or someone has just processed a "standard" (while still not user-friendly) ones?

chaals 12. May 2009, 00:19

@jod999, I agree that it is nice to have the option of restricting access, and any decent system can do that (although few do it really really well - there is a trade-off between usability and power here). What I hate about Facebook is that it doesn't have anything *but* a walled garden - Flickr at least lets you put stuff on the web that people can see without having to join Flickr.

I don't use Last.fm (I listen to music from my own collection, which is more than enough...) or Delicious (dunno why, just never did...), so can't really comment.

I do see the value in Twitter, I just find it hard to spend much time following stuff. Case in point was an idea to put some W3C stuff on twitter as well as mailing lists, wiki pages, etc etc. The huge problem is that we don't update the info enough already. Having a system that makes that easier (as you suggest, @jsmanrique) would be a motivation, but just adding another channel to watch is just eating more of my short short day.

(I agree that it would be nice if w fixed all the bugs in My.Opera and it were perfect. I'll check out the preview thing if I get some time, and file a bug if I can describe it...)

@andol, I'm not sure how the terms were actually created. I think those terms are more or less reasonable (although it might make more sense to restrict it to stuff you make available publicly - I will ponder that and maybe ask the lawyers). But allowing Opera to highlight some of your stuff on the site is, I think, a reasonable quid pro quo for having it there. The deal with the license being about anything is that there is no good way of choosing things otherwise (*perhaps* modulo whether something is 'public' as noted above), and it needs to be orrevocable because we can't afford to go into a position where we get permission to use something, and then later you decide you want royalties for our use and we are unable to pull things off the web.

I don't think we seriously plan to use everything you have (or very much of anything), but ther is some promotion of My.Opera from time to time, and that can include snippets of photos or blog pages etc... If you have some suggestions about what the license should say that allows us to do something like that still, feel free (or email them to me - chaals [and you should know where I am at given my job :smile: ).

@jsmanrique, My.Opera gives you (and every member) a foaf file by default: http://my.opear.com/chaals/xml/foaf/ is mine, and there is an option for me to point to another foaf file as well which gets included as a seeAlso in the source (I pointed to my old W3C file). Making more of this stuff would be valuable to enable people to share, but it turns out that a business model for social networks is advertising to a group of people whose behaviour, friends, etc is well-known by the people selling the advertising, just as Google gets more value by offering more services to find out more about you, and automatically sell more targetted ads to you.

Anyway, I find social networking fascinating, and if I was ahead of my work (instead of behind) in my day job I would love to study a whole bunch of things about it...

One day...

inkel 12. May 2009, 10:49

As jsmanrique has pointed out, one of the most annoying things about current social networks is that you have different "friends" in every website, which is not right, as I am always the same individual no matter where I'm logged in.

If only social networking sites read a FOAF file instead of asking us to register all our information again...

grafio 12. June 2009, 14:01

highlight some of your stuff on the site is, I think, a reasonable quid pro quo for having it there


There is a huuuge difference between "you grant Opera Software a right to display in my.opera on any page all your data uploaded to the service. You can delete any of your data from the service upon request"
and
"you grant Opera an unrestricted, royalty-free, worldwide, irrevocable license to use, reproduce, display, perform, modify, transmit and distribute such material in any manner, including in connection with Opera's business, and you also agree that Opera is free to use any ideas, concepts, know-how or techniques that you send Opera for any purpose."

I mean, seriously, I understand you may be in a difficult situation to comment this as an Opera employee, but let's not skew the facts. The terms are written in a such way that it's more or less the same as "you give us away for free everything you upload to our servers". For me this look like something more than just a defense against possible suits. I will be writting a mail to Opera to delete all my widgets, so we will soon know.

we are unable to pull things off the web


You mean off your website? Don't be silly. Opera Software is not resposnsible for the whole web.

Khaled-Khalil 18. June 2009, 16:14

I think Grafio and Andol are right, IMHO, the clause they mentioned of the terms is really unfair.

for Jsmanrique view of different social networks as islands, i think the main feature of Plaxo is its ability to integrate various other web services, that's probably due to supporting dataportability.org

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