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yes...I'm just as excited.

Perfeito!

Originally posted by EspenAO:

The beta is just around the corner. Are you as excited as we are?

Yes, I am!

very beautiful and inspiring. :-)

Originally posted by betanews:

Safari should be the leader here, with the preview build scoring 33.40 and the stable build posting 29.18 -- this compared to 29.11 for Chrome 4 and 26.34 for Chrome 5. Opera's score here is a mind-blowing 66.45; and this is a test that is so above-board that there's really ...

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Originally posted by EspenAO:

The beta is just around the corner. Are you as excited as we are?

o yea

Originally posted by Aleksander:

Originally posted by betanews:

Safari should be the leader here, with the preview build scoring 33.40 and the stable build posting 29.18 -- this compared to 29.11 for Chrome 4 and 26.34 for Chrome 5. Opera's score here is a mind-blowing 66.45; and this is a test that is so above-board that there's really ...

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Of course I'm excited. What else should I be? Opera 10.50 is so far the best release of Opera ever. I still miss a few things, but hope they'll make it into Opera 10.50 final.

The new UI isn't a total hit with me honestly, so I'm more cautiously optimistic than excited at this point. The speed is great, but I'm just hoping I won't find myself experiencing too much culture shock with the new browser. The pre-alpha didn't entirely wow me, hoping that's just due to it being so highly unfinished.

Originally posted by HellbillyDeluxe:

The beta is just around the corner

Wohoooooo!!!!!!

can't wait for it !!
great job as ever Opera team !!

You are really conquering the territory!
First I thought everything were about 10.5 speed but now I see that the skin improvements are focused together with it and giving results!
10.5 final will be perfect*!

*You do still with a worse search engine customization (no up and down / restore defaults options) than Firefox does.
*I'd preffer 10.5 doesn't integrates everything of the OS (buttons is an example, I think 10.10 button element are prettier).

Nice, but .....
1) Vista / windows 7-only
2) no usability, no really value
3) creating problems with readability: color-x on background-color-x
4) it will look good only if you find a nice desktop image
5) you will have to disable desktop shortcuts
6) Try to look at it the whole day or even more days, I expect you will get tired
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I use xp, hope I was no wrong in some point

:° i like it°!!!

Esta salvaje!

Originally posted by zoquete:

I use xp

That's is the point where you are wrong. Common it's time to switch for a newer OS!

Originally posted by zoquete:

Try to look at it the whole day or even more days, I expect you will get tired

I guess more skins will be coming soon.

I appreciate the skins avaiable but I really like the one that comes by default in Opera (9.64 and 10.10 / 10.5), I never got tired of it.

The crashes are really irritating. >_<

Rafael, mission impossible at my current hardware. I like the way how Opera works on xp. I don't need a shiny "nothing". You are exited really about the fact there is everything missing! :O :O :O

Great strategy, invisible browser

The Things That Excite Me

Oh now I understand, the problem with the XP users are the hardware. :/
I'm not excited with the transparent skin, I'm excited thinking on the people who likes it and the many other beautiful skins avaiable and the ones we'll see with the new 10.5 capabilities...
I like to use the default but I also like to look others sometimes (I only look, don't touch them).

Rafael try my 10.5 skin: http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/info/?id=9091

You guys are going from "pre-alpha" release to beta? Did I miss something? Did I read something wrong, here?

I expect beta 2

Originally posted by zoquete:

Rafael try my 10.5 skin: http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/info/?id=9091

A skin for fixing the default 10.5 skin?
No.. I don't use 10.5 as my primary web browser so I'll wait the official fixes. Thanks anyway.

I just can´t wait to test the beta! Opera 10.5 ROCKS

Geile Sache...... werds mir mal reinziehen. Mal schauen obs mir die wurst vom Teller zieht. Servus zoquete

That's why I love Opera, always givin' something extra to us! Yeah! this looks great!

Originally posted by zoquete:

Nice, but .....

Why are you ALWAYS so damn negative about Opera? That skin is NOT the default skin, it's just something some guy made. And it looks cool. Why on earth can't you just ignore it if you don't like it instead of raining on everyone else's parade?

Originally posted by H82typ:

You guys are going from "pre-alpha" release to beta

They said that the regular snapshots are pre-alpha? I thought snapshots were alphas.

you really should avoid crashing randomly), the latest build of Opera's "pre-alpha" of version 10.5 continues to send

IE crashes all the time and Firefox crashes a lot, too, so what does he consider a complete web browser?

ohhhhh, I did not get it was not the default skin :|

in this case ..... it's very nice work

IF I AM???????????? CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN WILL IT BE RELEASED???

Originally posted by Purdi:

They said that the regular snapshots are pre-alpha? I thought snapshots were alphas.

The first snapshot was expressly "pre-alpha." Devs have refused to characterize the snapshots since then as anything stage-specific. They are "snaphsot" only.

Even an alpha would be expected to contain the final range of features and capabilities - like Java for instance (which none of the snapshots to date, do).

That said, it is a non-issue whether an "alpha" is publicly released before a "beta." If the next snapshot is a beta-stage release, that is one that the public can use broadly and safely so that a wider base of feedback enables finishing touches, then it should be called beta and sent out as such. There's no law governing order of release.

Originally posted by ayespy:

Even an alpha would be expected to contain the final range of features and capabilities

Why? Alpha's are almost never feature complete. Regardless, alpha and beta have become increasingly meaningless labels.

Why are you caring about naming the development state of the web browser?
Someday it'll be final, jumping from pre-alpha to release candidate 2 or not.

Originally posted by L2D2:

IE crashes all the time and Firefox crashes a lot, too, so what does he consider a complete web browser?

Good one!

Finally Opera is becoming notorious, as it always deserved.

Originally posted by zoquete:

Nice, but .....

1) Vista / windows 7-only

2) no usability, no really value

3) creating problems with readability: color-x on background-color-x

4) it will look good only if you find a nice desktop image

5) you will have to disable desktop shortcuts

6) Try to look at it the whole day or even more days, I expect you will get tired

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I use xp, hope I was no wrong in some point

Why are you so negative about it? The fact that you are currently using WindowsXP is not a good reason to despise whatever new capabilities appear in newer OSes using modern hardware. Of course, nobody can blame you if you can't pay for a more modern computer, but you have to understand that if a more modern OS allows a more sophisticated set of graphic effects, if those aren't detrimental in performance, why not use them?

We are talking about Opera after all, so much customizable: if you don't like it you can change it. It's not that it's gonna be the default skin or something.

Originally posted by Betanews:

And in graphics rendering, the 10.5 preview is posting obscene numbers in the Canvas object test. Safari should be the leader here, with the preview build scoring 33.40 and the stable build posting 29.18 -- this compared to 29.11 for Chrome 4 and 26.34 for Chrome 5. Opera's score here is a mind-blowing 66.45; and this is a test that is so above-board that there's really no way to cheat. It's that fast.

And the funny part is that:

1. <Canvas>was created by Apple, so for a fact Opera wins on their own ground.
2. Up to this moment Vega is still working on "software acceleration" mode. I just can think that in the moment Opera devs enable hardware acceleration then Opera will become so fast it will render contents right from tomorrow.

Originally posted by Keldian:

And the funny part is that:

1. <Canvas>was created by Apple, so for a fact Opera wins on their own ground.
2. Up to this moment Vega is still working on "software acceleration" mode. I just can think that in the moment Opera devs enable hardware acceleration then Opera will become so fast it will render contents right from tomorrow.

Very cool.

Originally posted by chooseopera:

The beta is just around the corner. Are you as excited as we are?

So no alpha?

I tried to speak generally for Vista / Win-7 users :|

Originally posted by Purdi:

I thought snapshots were alphas.

They're not.

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Quirked.

Originally posted by ayespy:

The first snapshot was expressly "pre-alpha."

That wasn't a snapshot. That was an OperaLabs release, remember?

Even an alpha would be expected to contain the final range of features and capabilities - like Java for instance (which none of the snapshots to date, do).

Nope. An alpha does NOT have to be feature-complete. In fact, not even Opera betas have been feature-complete.

Originally posted by DanielHendrycks:

They're not.

Says who?

Typically, expected features are frozen when a product reaches RC. If all goes well, the RC will rapidly make final. If not, another RC is released.

Pre-alpha is typically a dev-only, pre-public-testing build. Alpha is where they look for "showstoppers" as they clean up the new code. Beta is where the fun begins, more testers and more tweaks as they work to complete to offering. I would hope Java may be back by this point. And hey, if they say "beta coming soon" it may mean they've tracked down and fixed some of the last major issues.

Originally posted by Purdi:

Originally posted by DanielHendrycks:
They're not.

Says who?

http://snapshot.opera.com/faq.html#what-snapshot

Originally posted by Desktop Team:

... pre-alpha quality...

Hi

Abdiahmed! Welcome to Opera! What do you think so far?

Woo-hoo, Danny! You got him!

So funny!

Seems , the lack of serious bugs have people discussing a subjective name tag to describe unfinished versions !!!

Labs, Snapshots, Alphas, Beta, Pre -alpha , Phi Epsilon Chi, Lambda, Gamma , Delta , whatever...


Hmmm... I am curious...
Do Alpha's have to include JAVA or will the world end if it does not?

Who knows???...

Originally posted by Dennis:

Woo-hoo, Danny! You got him!

Beta is around the corner?!! Well I ll be just around the corner too!!