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We had to win it.

"When focusing purely on speed, Opera screeches past the competition to take the speed crown away from Google."

We came second on overall. :| what the?

anyway, everyone knows Opera is awesome

Originally posted by erikshi:

We came second on overall.

how?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/opera-10.60-internet-explorer-9-safari-5,2680-12.html

Originally posted by that site:

The overall winner, when including the non-speed benchmarks, is Google Chrome.

last page. I don't understand a thing. WE WIN ANYWAY

well, the memory-management and the page-load test didn't work out for opera. am i the only one being surprised about the page-load test? i mean, the memory-management never looked great, but the rest?

Originally posted by thobi:

well, the memory-management and the page-load test didn't work out for opera. am i the only one being surprised about the page-load test? i mean, the memory-management never looked great, but the rest?

It's page-load stored locally, it has to do with rendering images stored on a local computer. Let's hope they do some live testing next time

A couple of clarifications:

1. The local page load is just a bug. If you load it from a local web server instead, it will be much faster. I guess we could fix that bug in a future version, and show the real page load time from disk.

2. They announced Chrome as the winner of the Mozilla Dromaeo JavaScript test because Opera was so far ahead of all the other browsers. As I understand it, we are doing nothing wrong here. The test apparently uses empty loops, and Carakan optimizes those away since they don't produce any data.

The restult is still valid.

Haavard: !

Excellent review of speed from TH. It really, in an independent fashion, shows which browser is the fastest. No doubt!

hopefully opera's downloads will increase substantially!

Awesomeness!!!

Speed, Speed, Speed..

nice job!

I hope the next test accounts for minimizing the window, and/or loading some other app which consumes most of the system's free memory. It is difficult to accept memory numbers when there is just SO MUCH of it begging to be used!

The first version of Opera that I used was 9.27 and ironically enough, this current version - 10.60 is the slowest version of Opera I have ever used. If I had to guess, I'd say it is because of the addition of the extra task of the AVG link checking perk. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it's a freakin' turtle with a ball & chain on each foot. It's just noticeable enough that I can tell pretty much any navigation activity seems to have an extra delay.

Sure, I have Dial Up. But, I've had it all along and none of the other Opera versions had been this slow.

Originally posted by Suntana:

The first version of Opera that I used was 9.27 and ironically enough, this current version - 10.60 is the slowest version of Opera I have ever used. If I had to guess, I'd say it is because of the addition of the extra task of the AVG link checking perk. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it's a freakin' turtle with a ball & chain on each foot. It's just noticeable enough that I can tell pretty much any navigation activity seems to have an extra delay.

Sure, I have Dial Up. But, I've had it all along and none of the other Opera versions had been this slow.

I dont notice it..Opera is still the fastest...

Originally posted by Suntana:

10.60 is the slowest version of Opera I have ever used. If I had to guess, I'd say it is because of the addition of the extra task of the AVG link checking perk

Except you are talking nonsense. Opera 10.60 is faster than older versions, and it's got nothing to do with "AGV".

Their Dromeo benchmarks are probably bogus. Also comparing memory size in they way they compare it is nonsensical. It is very hard to compare memory usage for application. VERY HARD. No, it is not enught to just check some numbers in system monitor.

Neverthless, nice.

What are opinions about site compatibility?

Originally posted by prd3:

Originally posted by Suntana:

10.60 is the slowest version of Opera I have ever used. If I had to guess, I'd say it is because of the addition of the extra task of the AVG link checking perk

Except you are talking nonsense. Opera 10.60 is faster than older versions, and it's got nothing to do with "AGV".

Why is he talking nonsense ? he is talking about his PC & his experience. There are many reasons why a program can run slow. On my PC Chrome runs very slow no idea why Opera & Firefox are fine.

That Page loading test Chrome won needs an overhaul.
If Chrome is so fast at Page loading how did Opera win the start up with 8 tabs.
And in the memory test opening 40 tabs Chrome was struggling.

cool, Opera is Still is the fastest browser Out there
then again the test shows what opera needs Stability and more web standards
Please Opera take your time on the next version

Originally posted by prd3:

Except you are talking nonsense. Opera 10.60 is faster than older versions, and it's got nothing to do with "AGV".

And you probably don't know how to read.
I specifically said it was the slowest version of Opera that I have ever used. And that is a fact. I never said Opera 10.60 was the slowest version ever. It's just the slowest Opera version ever on MY computer.

Originally posted by stve10:

Why is he talking nonsense ? he is talking about his PC & his experience.
There are many reasons why a program can run slow.
On my PC Chrome runs very slow no idea why Opera & Firefox are fine.

I know what you mean. On MY 2 computers, Firefox has NEVER run worth a flip. It's slow and habitually doesn't finish rendering pages and has other problems. Chrome was not much better. Only Opera behaves and runs well on my computer, albeit a bit slow with the current version.

Originally posted by Suntana:

I know what you mean. On MY 2 computers, Firefox has NEVER run worth a flip. It's slow and habitually doesn't finish rendering pages and has other problems. Chrome was not much better.

Opera is also the only browser that doesn't kill my computer.

Originally posted by stve10:

Why is he talking nonsense ? he is talking about his PC & his experience.

He's talking nonsense because it works fine for everyone else, and his speculation about "AGV" is just silly.

Originally posted by Baltrex17:

then again the test shows what opera needs Stability and more web standards

Nonsense. Opera is already stable, and leading the way on web standards. You are just blindly accepting bogus claims about web standards.

Originally posted by prd3:

He's talking nonsense because it works fine for everyone else, and his speculation about "AGV" is just silly.

Now you're either just trying to save face after having spoken without thinking or you're still just plain ole flat out missing the whole point. You should pay attention to people's comments and make sure you understand what they're saying before replying.

Are you REALLY that unaware that no software works the same on all computers? Just because Opera Software designs Opera Browser with the goal of achieving the "Fastest Browser on Earth" title, it doesn't mean it's going to be that on EVERY computer. Just because it might currently be exactly that, (The Fastest Browser on Earth) for millions of people on THEIR computers, it doesn't mean it's going to be on MY computer. And Opera IS still faster than Firefox or Chrome on MY computer. It's just NOT as fast as it used to be ... on MY computer.

You need to stop being trigger happy and blindly defending Opera Browser against what you perceive as false claims and unjustified attacks. You don't happen to be sitting in front of my computer. Therefore, how can you purport to know what Opera is or isn't doing on my computer? You can't.

I'm an Opera Fan and have been for 2 years. But, by the same token, I'm NOT going to close my eyes and pretend it doesn't have problems. All software does. For your information, not only is this current 10.60 Opera version the slowest version that has existed on MY computer, but it is also the most NSL-prone version ever on MY computer. AND I have a MyOpera friend who is experiencing the same thing ... and she has a much faster, more powerful computer with High Speed Internet than mine.

Hopefully these 2 problems that I'm experiencing on MY computer with the current 10.60 version get neutralized with the next Snapshot.

The memory usage is a b1tch. Saying that people anyways have more memory is a valid statement, yes, but people also have many more apps running at once. And when one keeps his browser running for a bit longer(say laptops), it pretty soon starts to have a serious effect on overall browsing experience. But I guess it's nothing Opera could fix just like that. A pseudo-solution would be to find a way around having many tabs opened, which could maybe be achieved by more intuitive sessions management…

Usability-wise, what Opera still lacks (for me), is a replacement for the good old "bookmarks bar", which every IE, FF or Safari user has. Chrome kind of found a solution by adding it on their version of Speed Dial, but Opera… ?

*whistles* [R-click]->[Customize]->[Appearance...]

They call their version the "personal bar". You can even turn off text for that bar if you want, making room for more quick links. You can also add the "Top 10" button to any bar you like, shows your most commonly visited pages.

For the record, I will say again that Opera's memory use has never gotten in my way. And I have lots of tabs open, virtual machines and other resource-intensive apps running. MY experience.

Originally posted by prd3:

He's talking nonsense because it works fine for everyone else, and his speculation about "AGV" is just silly.

he did not say "Opera 10.60 is slow" for everybody! He said how his PC operates with it!
read the comment again..... you might see that you over reacted! We are Opera members for the longest time and we are always very appreciative for what Opera offers. However, if something does not run right for a member the Opera personnel encourage us to speak out!
Suntana is one of the most loyal members on Opera and a major help to many members with his designs and knowledge!

Get your facts right,
Opera always appreciated freedom of speech/opinions but not personal attacks!

Originally posted by prd3:

Why is he talking nonsense ? he is talking about his PC & his experience.

He's talking nonsense because it works fine for everyone else, and his speculation about "AGV" is just silly.

How on Earth can you state as fact that it works fine for everybody else. Do you know every one who uses Opera with Windows 98 or Vista & Windows 7. How about all the Linux users with the different Distros they use. What about the Mac users with the different versions of Mac OS. Is the experience of someone using a low powered Laptop with limited ram going to be the same as others using modern PCs. What about Opera users from Africa or Asia using different languages is their perception of Opera going to be the same as your own.

and his speculation about "AGV" is just silly.

His assumption about AVG is probably wrong but why silly. When i upgraded from 10.60 beta to 10.60 i noticed that my Peacekeeper score dropped about 500 to 13750 & i wondered about AVG. Suntana says 10.60 is slower than Opera 9.27 so i don't think it can be down to AVG. I wonder if he upgraded to 10.60 from 10.10 ,when i upgraded from 10.10 to 10.50 it was a disaster Opera was very buggy & very slow until i did a clean install of Opera.

That's right, Angeliki. I don't have any intention of kicking Opera to the curb like I did Firefox 2 years ago. Even with the slight slowdown on my computer, Opera still easily hands down outperforms Firefox and Chrome on my computer. It was just an ironic observation that I made regarding Opera 10.60 in general being the Fastest Browser on Earth for oodles and oodles of people, yet being the slowest version for me in my 2-year experience with Opera. It's just feedback. Opera can choose to look into that ... or not.

Exactly, Stve! The other person does NOT even know what kind of system I have. How can he remotely think he knows how any version of Opera would behave on my computer? I have an old HP 6730 Pavilion with only 256 Meg of RAM and a 598 MHz Celeron. With a computer that underpowered, there's no guarantee of how any version of ANY Browser will behave. Firefox has never been able to handle this lack of power. Firefox gags & chokes with this lack of power. Only Opera seems to be able to handle my system's lack of resources.

Oh and as to from what version I updated to 10.60?
I updated from whatever the last Snapshot was in effect right before the 10.60 stable release. I keep rather current. I install most of the Snapshots. And I always perform clean installs using the Classic Installer. I've never done Upgrades on top of any Opera version.

Bottom line, SOMETHING in this 10.60 version just didn't quite agree with my computer and thus, a slight, but noticeable slowdown in navigation speed materialized.

BTW, Stve, let me clarify something because it might be misleading. When I say that on my system, 10.60 is slower than even 9.27, that is actually NOT as mind-boggling as it might first appear. You see ... really, on my Dial Up, I never see any of the speed increases that get touted from version to version. Apparently all these speed increases that happen from version to version, are only seen and enjoyed on High Speed Internet. On Dial Up, I guess my speed is already Maxed Out. Thus, speed has pretty much always remained basically the same for me with my Dial Up.

So, when I say 10.60 is slower than 9.27 on my system, I really just mean a slight drop in speed ... but, noticeable. I'm NOT talking about a Texas-sized drop in speed.

I read every word of every test in that review and largely I agree with it. However---I am running Opera 10.60 internal Build 6386 for Linux, and I can say that it is slower than any browser I've used since 10.50 or so. It takes a lot longer to load pages for me, in fact, it takes much longer than the previous versions. It just has not worked well on MY MACHINE, and I have a duocore AMD Athlon which is fast, to medium fast.
If they used this version of Opera on their tests, then I don't see how it won speed tests. I'm a big Opera browser fan but I have to call the shots as I experience them.

Originally posted by Suntana:

Sure, I have Dial Up. But, I've had it all along and none of the other Opera versions had been this slow.

Are you using Turbo?

Opera Turbo must be a life saver if you use dial up.
Setting Turbo to Auto never worked well for until Opera 10.50 but now i leave it on Auto full time.
Suntana you probably block adds already but if not that can speed up any browser.
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/block-advertisements-opera-browser/
is a cool site the link is to an article on how to block adds
just a list of 11 add servers you add to Preferences/Advanced/Content/Block Content

Yep, Peppermint, I remember that before I even ever brought it up, you were the one who inquired if by any chance my Opera 10.60 was running slow. And sure enough it was and still is.

If there is a constant on which we can always count on is that computers and software will never work properly across the board. There's just no way it can be guaranteed that a software app will work great on every computer. We can wish until we turn blue, but it's just NOT going to happen.

Daniel, Stve ... I have already tried Opera Turbo. I didn't care for it one bit. I already didn't care that my AOL waters down the quality of any image that it displays so as to achieve a fast speed. So, when I tried Opera Turbo and immediately noticed that it basically does the same thing as AOL does with its images, (watering down the quality) I immediately pulled the plug on that experiment.

I don't care to navigate a watered-down video quality MyOpera or all the other websites I manage to go to. So, I had to reluctantly pass on Opera Turbo.

Originally posted by prd3:

Originally posted by Baltrex17:

then again the test shows what opera needs Stability and more web standards

Nonsense. Opera is already stable, and leading the way on web standards. You are just blindly accepting bogus claims about web standards.

Well Opera is Stable, but it could be Better and regarding the web standards I just want opera to have a perfect score thats all. Since it all ready haves Speed and customization