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Opera Devs for MEPs! File sharing is the future here and now!

Pirate Party step aside!

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Cool.

But "We will reinvent the Internet" was definitely too much.

Besides the fact that there were project like Allpeers for Firefox and the instant messengers like ICQ that had/have more or less the same features, it is not like running a "web server" and "file sharing" are new stuff on the Internet.

Actually a little disappointing.

Really great, now i have servers and can enter to my data in all the computers i want. Bet i completely agree with LorenzoCelsi, "reinvent the internet" was definitely too much.

Keep improving Opera! Someday we will smash Firefox !

Technology keeps getting better and better!
And Opera is the innovator!

Супер!!

Hmmm... I'm just worried about the Security Issues

Originally posted by joolyan:

Hmmm... I'm just worried about the Security Issues

Please see this page for security related questions:

http://unite.opera.com/support/#security

Now I wish even more that I had faster Internet.

great! descentralized internet = freedom!
i love it, if i must suggest something, it'll b a "offline mirror" : the opera proxy caches the info, and if someone makes a post, the proxy will push-forward it to my server when i'm back online.

Perfect :-)

PERFECT! Love's Opera!

I can't wait for the newer services that will be developed!

I'm not sure if i need others more thAn this... Nor spending my precious times longer thAn here... BRAVO Opera!

unite is forcing you to use opera browser,not very fair.

U meAn it forces us to use its greAt browser?

it takes away your choice,if you wish to use unite,the internet is all about choice.

the whole idea of a social network is for users to interact,and see each others pages,all of them.If you do not like any particular user,or their pages,you can delete them,or set as friends only.With "unite"the choice is taken away,if you yourself have not got "unite"installed. this is against all principles of social networking.The browser issue is another one,if you do not have opera as your default browser,then you cannot install "unite",this is wrong,if i have google chrome email,it does not mean i have to have google as my default browser,and this applies to any other application on the internet,apart from opera "unite".I do not like the way this is going,are we in future to have opera browser as our default browser to access anything on opera,it is worth thinking about.

Originally posted by castus2:

unite is forcing you to use opera browser,not very fair.

To run services you need Opera, but anyone can access your Unite services with any browser they want

When will the API be available to non Opera Developers?
Do I have to sign up to anything to get access to it?

Check out the Developer primer!

http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/opera-unite-developer-primer/

Really great job from Opera Software, I hope this will help users to move to Opera 10 when it'll be released. Unite gives to noob people a lot of possibilities that required hard configuration before. Another solution called Weezo already exists and should be a good inspiration for services developers. To my mind, a Video player and a Document viewer like the one used in Alfresco solution (in flex with OOo usage to convert docs) should be determinants services that could help to promote Unite. I regrets that I've got others projects to code currently because I'm really interested about evolutions of this new technology that will definely change the web usages. Like for turbo, speed dial and others, we see that real innovation don't come from "marketing navigators", good luck to Mozilla fundation, Google labs, Microsoft and Apple to react to this .

castus... Thx 4 your generous clArificAtion About this "unfAir" business... I cAnt help wondering why this wellknown sociAl mAchine Applies this "poor" policy? i hope most of our friends here reAd your precious informAtion first b4 they give their comments. AgAin... Thx A lot, castus... U r Awesome!

Brilliant idea, cool step in the right direction!
In my eyes this is an easy way for low-effort users to host their own sites and so on.
carry on the good work, guys!!!

Это на самом деле круто!!!

Originally posted by castus2:

it takes away your choice,if you wish to use unite,the internet is all about choice.

Let's clear things up. You can still use your browser of choice when accessing Unite services. However, to manage your services, you'll have to use Opera. This is somewhat similar to accessing Facebook on any browser you can think of, but managing the site itself is left to the owners of Facebook with whatever particular software they use.

You do not even need Unite to be in a social networking service hosted using Unite.

@WayOfTheBastard, You make me laugh.
I confirm that you can do the same things as "unite" in several other ways, some easier than others but yet I don't see any real "innovation". You go on AMO and make a search with "web server".

Then, besides the fact that I never felt the need of running a web server over my PC or and FTP server or whatever else, otherwise I already had one, my whole country is connected to the Internet with ADSL lines where the "A" means we have upload bandwidth that is 20 or 50 times lower the download bandwidth. Considering most people are already trying to squeeze it for using Emule or Bittorrent, I don't see what the "unite" revolution is, unless it can magically multiply everybody's bandwidth.

Yes, you give people the power to run "services" on their computers instead of depending on somebody's else servers. Of couse IF they create an account over Opera's server. How cool. Time will tell what this "revolution" will bring.

About Allpeers, like the name says, was a project about creating a community of "peers" who could have exchanged stuff, "social" way. Besides the commonalities with "unite" or differences, the point here is it failed simply because too few people used it, despite being defined "the killer application" for Firefox".

Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllPeers
"AllPeers was a free software extension for the Mozilla Firefox browser introduced in 2006.
On March 2, 2008, AllPeers announced the end of the service.
The extension allowed building a social network and sharing files on a P2P basis. It used a darknet style of peer-to-peer communication; files and information shared between users are only accessible as long as the users have each other on their respective access lists - their 'trusted private network'. AllPeers beta version was launched on August 24, 2006. It worked on Windows, Linux and Mac, which, once downloaded, becomes a toolbar in Mozilla Firefox."

Anyway, just to be clear, I don't have anything against "unite".
I just think it isn't anything rivolutionary and it will not change anything on the Web. It may be a cool tool for somebody and useless for somebody else. To reinvent the Web you must do something better than a tool for sharing pictures and stuff with your pals.

Originally posted by LorenzoCelsi:

It may be a cool tool for somebody and something useless for somebody else. To reinvent the Web you must do something better.

I agree 100%

Maybe it's just me but I lost all my bookmarks when I installed the update so reverted to the old version

Originally posted by mambojack:

Maybe it's just me but I lost all my bookmarks when I installed the update so reverted to the old version

Opera 10 stores bookmarks in bookmarks.adr file. So, you have to rename opera6.adr to bookmarks.adr

pls help me.. my opera mini doesnt work!!i only use it one time then after that.. it did not work..what happend? help me pls

I can see problems in the corporate world already.

Might I make a suggestion: use an INI file stored in the install directory to control access to the services. For the sake of usability make the services all accessible by default.

And of course this will solve the security issues. How?

The install directory can be made such that only an administrator can modify it; other users can only read it.

So that means the admin can modify the INI file there but the users can't.

That means that if the admin modifies this INI file such that the services cannot be accessed then it means that the user can't modify the INI file.

Of course there may be a few problems here and there with regards to users installing Opera on their own laptops and bringing them to work.

I've always been one for getting back to what the web was meant to be, which is also why i'm a proud supporter of the Pirate Party and an avid bittorrent user. The web should be a data sharing network, that anyone can get to and contribute to. I completely agree with the blog post outlining all that, and since the web has been moving in the other direction, this will "reinvent the web" - as we currently know it ;-)

For a few of us who have been members on the social media sites for awhile now, and have been sharing data on bittorrent, and even owning our own websites, this is what we've been longing for. A simple platform that can do it all, it's just a bonus to me that Opera is that platform (since I love Opera Software and don't go a day without using it).

That's my two cents on the matter. Whatever the turnout, this will help bump up that market share from 2.2% (according to W3Schools.com, May 2009)

I,ve been connected till the age of the modems that called the other end with the telephone, like the movie "wargames".
The Web was originally designed to exchange plain text and then, with a huge leap forward, to add some images to the said text. You know the "zip" compression technology was invented back then to compress text files and send them over very slow dial up connections.

So what, are we going to "re-invent" the Web going back to 2400bps dial up modems and exchange plain text files?

The current Web has got two major issues.
1. there isn't a suitable business model for big firms to make money on the Web. They were only able to recycle the TV model, that basically means pay-per-view. Then they are trying to create "proprietary" sub-networks (where they provide their TV-alike services and charge for them) connected to each other by the WWW. No network neutrality over there.
2. given the "media" business model, the Web does not have enough bandwidth, especially if you expect every single user to be able to contribute instead of being just passive. In my country providers sell ONLY ADSL lines that are specifically tailored to allow the "home-TV-over-IP" but aren't suitable for P2P traffic. Plus of course they are deploying policies over the network to stop or slow down any traffic that isn't coming from their own services.

Besides the fact that all this "innovation" about "unite" means something that existed years ago, anotehr fact is that if I want to share stuff on the Web I would prefer much to put it over a remote server with "unlimited" bandwidth and that is online 24/7 instead of using a server running over my poor PC that is connected with a quite slow line and that for sure is not running all the time. Plus of course the remote services don't require me to be the admin of the said services and I am lazy.
Then there are tons of little technical details, like the remote service being "safe", my stuff being saved in some backup that is not made by me (that would be suicidal), no disk failure can erase my whole archive (like it happens on my own PC from time to time), and so on.

Honestly I don't see "hey, lets use PCs instead of servers" like a really really smart move. On a side note, I don't know what difference can be made over the Web by Opera, given the "market share".

Thanks Tamil, have reinstalled following your advice

@LorenzoCelsi
The web was "designed" to exchange data, text files were the first format of data to be shared. It wasn't invented to share text files though.

I'll agree with your two current issues, however, there are several more. Including current laws not keeping up in the digital age, and rights / freedoms of sharing the data and securing your privacy.

Opera Unite could have existed years ago, but it didn't. It didn't because most people rather pay for "unlimited" bandwidth / space servers to share data. Again, i'll agree with you here, most computers don't have enough bandwidth to power such a network right this second. However, you must agree with me, that as time goes on the "network" evolves. The computers are able to store more data, and new means of transferring become available to the public (DSL for example).

Fact of the matter is, we need to stop being so lazy, it's gotten us into this mess and only gets us farther. We need to step up, allow the ordinary person to understand how the data gets transferred, and how to fix errors within the system. It's not that hard really (speaking from my setups) it simple takes common sense and little bit of trail and error. Unite will be the first step in this, after all, it's about darn time the world takes the time to learn how to do something correctly

As for the market-share, this service will help it to grow... any feature Opera can add that is unique to it will help it grow. Personally, with the popularity of file-sharing today, I could see Opera taking 50% market-share within the next 10 years (assuming they keep cranking out features and ideas like this).

@some users like castus. : i have been there where the web was invented to start with and to take away one misunderstanding: the web is NOT the internet. It uses internet like Opera does. It is not a bad idea to reinvent internet either because

Sounds... This "UNITE" still A "TRIAL" one...

Super 100%

it's a very good service...!

I would welcome a remote control of a PC as a new feature.

thx