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Pesticides and Aerial Spraying

On the issue of pesticides, topic being Malathion:




In researching Malathion and aerial spraying, also spraying of households, It proved to be quite a controversial
issue (not surprising). This was an assignment that hit home with me. Being from the south and growing up in a small
rural town, this was something we lived with, trucks driving up and down the streets spraying for mosquitoes and crop dusters flying overhead spraying the fields continually. When I was younger we used to go out and watch them doing this
and not think twice about it. I don't remember them ever telling the public on which days they were going to spray
as a warning to stay clear of the spray. Maybe they did and I just don't remember. It was just something you grew up
with, as common as eating squash and fried green tomatoes. We payed no attention to what effects it might be having on
all of us. We were not educated in school about this as a rule, unless they learned about it in Ag class (something that
only the "nerds" studied). Of course as I got older I finally had enough sense to run in the house when they sprayed!

I had discussed this subject with a few people to get some feedback on their their views and ideas about spraying
malathion for mosquitoes. That turned out to be pretty much split down the middle, as to whether or not aerial
spraying is a viable solution to deterring mosquitoes away from the communities. I had to take into account the opinions
of other people, combined with researching the studies done from the EPA, reports from doctors, the health departments and other various documents. My own opinion also was factored into this.

The scenario here, for the sake of a class assignment, was that I am a member of the city council of a fake town
and all the other members votes are split evenly and my vote will be the deciding vote on the proposal of spraying my city with Malathion. It is projected that at least 50 cases of West Nile could infect my citizens. The opponents to this
have projected that 90 people could be affected with pesticide related illness if we do spray. There are 100.000
people in "my city".

I came across some interesting material in my researching the subject. I had to find the risks involved for
humans, animals, the environment and what doses, if any were safe and for what length of time being exposed to the
chemicals were safe. Also if any certain "ethnic group" is more susceptible to the most exposure of malathion.

In the end I had determined that all the facts and figures show a lot of hazards associated with pesticide aerial
spraying. Unskilled laborers mainly "Mexican migrant workers" who most commonly have jobs in fields are likely to
have the most exposure to these chemicals. Also people living in rural areas and climates with a high humidity are
more prone to being inhabited by mosquitoes, therefore more likely to be sprayed by the city.

I found that there have been many studies and documented cases of the effects of having been exposed to malathion
to be such things as lung disease, heart problems, birth defects, ADD and ADHD in children. Gastrointestinal problems, respriatory illness, most of these in humans and animals. Many more cases of other effects related to exposure to
malathion were reported. The one I found the most interesting and convincing as to the risks of using this pesticide
was a transcription of a seminar given by some of the most prominent doctors in the country.

Noteworthy that most of the studies had been done on normal healthy people as a select group, with healthy immune
systems and not the elderlly, sick or low income areas. there was also mention in one of the articles I read that
sometimes aerial spraying had been done in certain areas, not to commbat insects, but for the purpose of experimentation
on people.

Spraying can stay on the ground and get washed into other areas not intended to be sprayed, by rainfall. Also the
spray can end up in our rivers and lakes, in which the wildlife swim and drink from these waters and cause them illness or death. Not to mention that it can end up in our own water systems used for drinking or bathing. The long term impact on the environment, eco system, or food chain if you will, has yet to be fully understood. I personally think it could be very harmful to all living things and our natural resources for years to come.

Obviously, all of this brought me to the final decision to vote against the spraying of "my city". I had proposed
that we instead, implement better education of the citizens of how to avoid mosquitoes, getting qualified people in the
community involved in eduation, programs and resources for the public. Also to devise a plan of more natural and less
invasive, less toxic solutions to steer off the mosquito populatiion from invading our properties and our communities.

I also believe that in areas that do spray, people have a right to consent to spraying, The same as I want to know
the ingredients of my food before I decide to eat it or not, or the rights I have to know what in in my prescriptions and
the side effects before I take them.




I want to thank Ravo smile for his opinions on this while making a decision on my vote, and all those who gave their input.





(I just love the way when I click save, it changes my format and ends up looking stupid)


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Comments

Flamingo Rinseflamingo-rinse Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:48:38 AM

OK - voted, thanks.

I drink rainwater collected from the roof (no choice, no services like townwater provided where I live) and would feel very uncomfortable if there was crop\pesticide spraying going on. Luckily I live in an area that grows Cows, not crops\Fruit, so there's virtually no spray (except for an annual dusting of Lime, for the soil).

Crop & Fruit growers in NZ seem get certain cancers 4 times higher than national average due to sprays, see this article for a brief intro.

A very interesting post Claudette - thanks smile

Claudette claudette.bb Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:11:34 AM

Thx, also thx for the link and info. (it's time I posted something on the more intellectual side for a change) lol

chaitanya krishnanchaitanyak Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:09:00 AM

over here in india they still use stuff like DDT in some places.. so i'm probably poisoned already p

they use it not just in rural farming areas but cities and other urban areas as well. I guess malaria and other stuff is a real problem out here.

Claudette claudette.bb Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:15:41 AM

it is a much bigger problem there for sure, but safer chemicals could me used

Flamingo Rinseflamingo-rinse Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:45:28 AM

Isn't there some sort of specially engineered 'stuff' (dunno if genetically modified bacteria perhaps, or anyway something which affects Mosquito DNA) which renders Mosquitos sterile?? That might ultimately be preferable to poison....?? Possibly fighting fire with fire, I know....

Allanricewood Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:38:42 AM

This is exactly the reason why I insist on buying organic food whenever I can lay my hand on it.

Thank you for the reminder.

Claudette claudette.bb Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:43:57 AM

Unfortunately you can't wipe out an entire species of anything without f***ing around with the the food chain, one living thing needs another living thing to survive and fertilize and pollenate..all that good stuff. (although we are close to wiping out certain animals from greed) fishing, poachers.......on and on. I know in Texas, you can buy a bat house to put in your yard. Same as a bird house, but with the purpose of bats in mind, to eat all the mosquitoes. Someone on here from india told me they have tennis racket thingys they use over there that are actually bug zappers. It is a very difficult position to be in to have to make this decision for a whole city, this has been a real eye opener for me! (glad I am not really on the council) bigsmile

Flamingo Rinseflamingo-rinse Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:04:57 AM

I've seen those electric fly swatters - they have them here in NZ too. They do work.

Eating organic is great, if you get the choice, but of course unless you grow your own, you're going to be exploited by growers (who still have to make a living) and (to a MUCH larger extent) merchants, who naturally see the higher-middle-income band getting fashionably organic with it and pushing the prices up (because real organic IS more expensive to grow, you loose more crops to insects, the crops don't grow as well & taste different 'au naturel', plus they're somewhat uglier than the bland perfection the supermarkets sell, so lots of people won't actually buy them, even if given the opportunity).

A big problem is going to be world food prices - you want organic, it's going to be expensive and you need to be prepared for that.
If you just get a handful of rice a day to feed a family of 6, you probably would love it to be clean, but it's not gonna be, and you probably won't give that much of a damn. The ideal world only exists if you can afford it.

We in affluent parts are further removed than you would think from our farming ancestors of (only) 200-250 years ago.

Oh Sorry Claudette - that got a bit off topic - but it is all really part of the same scene, whether you spray to avoid disease locally or to up food production nationally.....

Claudette claudette.bb Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:19:29 AM

just makes you realize how one thing can have such a domino effect on everything else! I would grow my own damn garden if I wasn't in an apartment ! bigsmile I grew up on fresh veggies straight from the garden, never used any sprays, but we weren't trying to make a million dollars either, thats the problem, they cut the quality,X cut quantity/for price X raise the price,X growth hormones = speed = lower cost to them, cheap labor/overhead=big profits. Yeah I know u are right, but we have to stand up for something, if not everything and not back down. And I am at least growing me some tomatoes on my balcony lol
I have now been vegan for 2 months, And I am a fighter........bigsmile

LarryEL-GE Thursday, April 24, 2008 5:34:40 PM

"Internal Value Default Content"

I like that. You sound like my daughter,(What does it mean?)

Vegan for two months? Do you feel better? I know that I feel better when I don't eat meat. up

Varundev Kashimathvarundev Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:46:05 PM

good post ! ... for the formatting - u can enclose a para betwn
< p> < /p> (without any space betwn < & p)

< br> (without space) to begin frm next line, hav u tried these ?

Claudette claudette.bb Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:37:46 PM

thx, yes I feel a lot better, and breathe better too. Since I am not craving sugar all the time now either smile

Claudette claudette.bb Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:40:54 PM

thx 4 the tip, no I havent tried this,but then again it has been a long time since I posted anything to read anyway, instead of nonsense lol

Flamingo Rinseflamingo-rinse Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:04:04 PM

I'm not Vegan, but have previously been vegetarian (but included milk & cheese, just not meat\fish), the best I've ever felt has been a) when I was vegetarian and b) when I tried out the Atkins Diet of only eating meat\fish - no carbs etc. at all. The Atkins diet, funnily enough, made me feel absolutely the best I've ever felt (but for the wrong reasons ha ha). So - now I\we eat very little red meat (once, twice a week & usually Sheep, not Beef) and as parents, keep this in mind. Statistics can of course prove anything you want them to prove, but as a guideline (and starting point for further research) it makes very good sense.

We have to have very careful diets anyway, Mrs Rinse cannot eat Dairy products (milk, cheese, yogurt etc) OR Gluten OR Wheat products (even the faintest trace will make her very sick for a couple weeks), so as a family we tend not to eat those items either, which IMHO is no bad thing - although I and Rinse the younger to have to make sure we get a sufficient input of milk (especially young Rinse, as a girl the calcium & etc. is very very important for her physical development). An interesting juggling act smile

Claudette claudette.bb Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:39:00 PM

Wow It is hard to come up with a meal that can be customized for so many different likes and dislikes and special diets, and small children are the pickiest eaters of all.

Flamingo Rinseflamingo-rinse Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:55:12 PM

Not really that hard, but 'plain' food (i.e. meat\fish, potatoes, veg, fruit) is pretty much what it's all about. So, the more of our own we grow (spuds, tomatoes, leeks, rhubarb, citrus etc.) the better it is (low cost, no sprays smile ) Pasta-stuff is available, made from rice, so it's not that hard if you look around for the right things, but processed foods are a no-no generally, 'cause they nearly all contain one or more of the 3 forbidden ingredients (or substances made from one of the 3). Young Rinse's tastes have been moulded by this requirement & impressively she doesn't consider burgers, fries (& takeaways generally) real food at all. Which of course it isn't. I'm very happy about the fact that she views MacDonalds et al with distaste (especially KFC, which she's tried a couple of times & the huge fat content has upset her stomach badly & thus pretty much put her off for ever). Cool.

Claudette claudette.bb Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:18:52 PM

that's great, growing up with good nutrition sense will move forward into adulthood. Now I didn't exactly change my diet around for my own health reasons, it was for the cause of the animals and the disgust at the abuse they endure at farms and factorys, but as a result, I really have been a lot healthier and more energy and even lost some weight-needed to shed a few pounds,eh from 112lbs down to 105lbs- getting there. I havd cut way down on my sodas, eat healthy, get enoough excercise, stay away from all the chemicals and crap in plastics and everything -but ummmmmm I can't quit smoking insane I know. And I am so jealous you get to grow your own garden, it has been years since I did that>quick change of subject lol

scott cummingIArtMan Friday, April 25, 2008 6:13:32 AM

if we all really care about the earth and the future good. where am i to place the current, and i mean the last 30 years fad for diabolical images. why are the rebels to the status quo and religions concretism choosing the guise of vampires, warlocks etc. i protest on the basis that it just shows a lack of imagination.

it just doesn't make sense. you disagree with the morals evolved over thousands of years, and willy nilly just go to the opposite? when did a vampire ever care about a tree?

Claudette claudette.bb Friday, April 25, 2008 11:13:12 AM

It is the underlying truth that is discovered, not centuries old, it is not new found morals,but the hidden atrocities that wake you up and slap you in the face.

scott cummingIArtMan Friday, April 25, 2008 9:51:23 PM

i do get your point. what a strange world.

Claudette claudette.bb Saturday, April 26, 2008 2:19:05 AM

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