Opera 11.50,- missing adress bar url history arrow.

Opera 11.50,- missing adress bar url history arrow.

Installed 11.50, and the alt+down button is not there in the adress bar. Any way of enabling it again?

It is disabled by default, you can enable it here,opera:config#UserPrefs|ShowDropdownButtonInAddressfield

Thanks,-

noticed changelog for 11.50 beta
"Added the preferences option: opera:config#UserPrefs|ShowDropdownButtonInAddressfield" but not that its disabled by default now.

Should be enabled by default since its enabled in 11.11, dont take away functions.

@bobman

I agree it should have been there by default, but it's nice that we have the option to bring it back. Having the option to use a feature or not is what Opera is all about. It's a bit annoying it was off, but when it comes to old features on new releases, I think we've got to pick our battles.

Originally posted by bobman:

Should be enabled by default since its enabled in 11.11, dont take away functions.

Why should it be enabled by default? Because you say so? No, it should not be adapted to you personally by default

And nothing was taken away, since you can still enable it again.

Originally posted by Slamdex:

Originally posted by bobman:

Should be enabled by default since its enabled in 11.11, dont take away functions.

Why should it be enabled by default? Because you say so? No, it should not be adapted to you personally by default

And nothing was taken away, since you can still enable it again.

What? Its on by default in 11.11 and off by default in 11.50. Had a rough day?

Originally posted by Slamdex:

Why should it be enabled by default?

Because it was there before, and upgraders should haven't to go searching to find out how to return what was taken away. This is just basic interface design. Don't change stuff just for the sake of it. Remove stuff that is obsolete by all means, but not stuff that many users use constantly.

Other than appearance, would could be the benefit of disabling this button? If Opera is assuming that most people would want to, I'm clearly missing something.

Thank God this can be re-enabled, I guess they tried to copy Google Chrome which doesn't have this arrow... one the few things that I hate about that browser. Opera, please don't take away functions, the arrow is very useful.

thanks a lot bobman ^_^

i was just gonna write a thread about this missing arrow

thank you Luxor for the tip

** i think it should be enabled by default

I'm a me too on this feature being enabled by default. Thanks for providing the info to fix it!

It would have saved a lot of hassle if they listened to similar comments before it was released. It was so obvious that this would cause problems for upgraders, and enabling it by default is surely no harder than disabling it by default?

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Seriously, I have never clicked that down arrow that I recall. I can't even think why you would when you can just start typing and Opera suggests stuff from your bookmarks/history automatically, were they drunk when they thought that arrow made sense, glad they've sobered up.

See what I did there? I'm mostly serious too, the stuff that comes up while typing is far, far more relevant to me than the last bunch of exact things I typed.

Maybe they did studies and found the majority don't use it, maybe they didn't and just guessed. But that arrow is not used by everyone and removing it may not turn out to be the dumbest thing ever.

Oh my, I think removing that is a big mistake.

1. Upgrading users will miss it, think something is wrong and must go looking for a solution (like all of us that ended up here did).
2. It's bad UI design. Browsing can be done for a significant part with only the mouse. Having the arrow supports this. Without it, you have to switch input methods to the keyboard to start typing part of the URL. Forcing users to switch input methods is not good.

Please Opera, don't try to copy Chrome, be yourself, have some sense and re-enable it!

btw: Thanks Luxor for that tip!

It is indeed a big mistake in this update; the first thing that I've done after updating is asking myself where was that arrow, and I couldn't find it anywhere, so the only option left was looking in this forum. If you remove the arrow, at least put an option to enable it at the preferences menu, don't leave it to some obscure command line that only english speaking users would be able to use.

!o! - i had not noticed that arrow until now. (i always hide the address bar, until i need it) So... ? They still might be drunk, but as i came around to see if i was going to upgrade, i am made aware of yet another feature.

This is such a basic feature. The real question is, despite which default they chose, why isn't there an option to toggle it in the regular preferences or appearance menu without having to track it down in config?

i know a lot of casual internet users who pretty much use only the arrow (no bookmarks, no speeddials) to go to their sites.
since enabling it back requires advanced opera knowledge, that would beimpossible for them

Thank you Luxor, you saved my day. Stupid of them to disable the button by default.

I cannot imagine anyone not wanting this feature. It seems insane to remove it. Anyway, thanks for the instructions for re-enabling the drop down list.

Thanks...
I just got the same probs. now its fixed....:-)

Lars

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I registered here specifically to object, as strenuously as possible, to the default disappearance of the drop down arrow in the address bar. I use it constantly.

I've been using Opera since v. 2.12, but if the developers aren't going to respect my preferences, I'll have to look to other browsers.

Deep thanks to Luxor for the fix!

Originally posted by BtEO:

Seriously, I have never clicked that down arrow that I recall. I can't even think why you would when you can just start typing and Opera suggests stuff from your bookmarks/history automatically, were they drunk when they thought that arrow made sense, glad they've sobered up.

See what I did there? I'm mostly serious too, the stuff that comes up while typing is far, far more relevant to me than the last bunch of exact things I typed.

Maybe they did studies and found the majority don't use it, maybe they didn't and just guessed. But that arrow is not used by everyone and removing it may not turn out to be the dumbest thing ever.

True thing. Besides: I was surprised that there are really people who, if they use that history list, click the arrow instead of using the arrow buttons on the keyboard (which still works even if the button is disabled). Since using the keyboard is much faster.

Originally posted by zilti:

Since using the keyboard is much faster.

Its not if you're drinking your coffee.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by zilti:

Since using the keyboard is much faster.

Its not if you're drinking your coffee.

I usually only use one hand to type shortcuts and use the arrow keys, especially when drinking... Tea

I'm sorry if it appeared to be like it, but I don't support that UI-simplification many software-developers (not only browser developers!) are doing. E.g. on the next OS X they want to remove the scroll bars. That's simply stupid.
OK, back to the drop-down You know, pressing the arrow down isn't really a shortcut but is used on every drop-down menu - be it in the Google search suggestions or in Opera. And the feature isn't deactivated, only the button Besides you also have the browser history in your panels (which is what I use if I want to find a website I liked but didn't add to the favourites).

i was shocked when I didn't see the arrow. It reminded me of people saying Opera is like Chorme.
It should be enabled by default

messes up the appearance of any skin that assumes it will be there (and why wouldn't it be) like http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/info/?id=1717

The arrow is drawn as part of the dropdown form, going to be a PITA to figure out how to represent it now that it's an optional UI element.

Shouldn't this be something that can be right clicked and removed, just like everything else on the toolbars?

Originally posted by Luxor:

It is disabled by default, you can enable it here,opera:config#UserPrefs|ShowDropdownButtonInAddressfield

Thank you. I agree with other people It should be there .

but one thing where in opera is that option to enable and disable

its difficult to remember opera:config#UserPrefs|ShowDropdownButtonInAddressfield

I want to enable and disable this feature frequently as i need to.

Save it as note.

I just had to log in and voice my opinion (don't see how it's not an indisputable fact) that removing that dropdown by default is an abysmally poor bit of reasoning on someone's part.

As a system builder, I happily have installed and set Opera as the default browser on my machines for years. I am *not* going to go through the trouble to change that preference on every machine I build, though, to enable an option that absolutely boggles the mind that anyone would even think it's optional.

I'll be installing Firefox as default until such time as that "option" is changed to default to having the dropdown there. Not even kidding.

Originally posted by zilti:

Using the keyboard is much faster.

I don't know about you, but when I'm using my computer I keep my hand on my mouse. Using the keyboard arrows requires me to let go of it and move my hand over the arrows.
As for the typing thing, that only works if you remember your URLs (or at least their beginnings).

Originally posted by GuitarMantra:

Originally posted by Luxor:

It is disabled by default, you can enable it here,opera:config#UserPrefs|ShowDropdownButtonInAddressfield

Thank you. I agree with other people It should be there .

but one thing where in opera is that option to enable and disable

its difficult to remember opera:config#UserPrefs|ShowDropdownButtonInAddressfield

I want to enable and disable this feature frequently as i need to.

Originally posted by nabucco:

Save it as note.

SAving it into notepad or something is not a good idea always.
It would have been much better if this feature have some easy interface in the Opera itself..something like Enable n disable checkbox or Tabs somewhere in options or tools

Please in the next release Give some Enable and disable function in browser itself.

something like Zoomer said in his post.

Originally posted by Zoomer:

Shouldn't this be something that can be right clicked and removed, just like everything else on the toolbars?

*sigh*

At least a fix was linked "sticky"...

I am another "minimal bookmarks in the history" user. I keep the adress bar history cleaner than my kitchen!

Originally posted by bobman:

And nothing was taken away, since you can still enable it again.

What? Its on by default in 11.11 and off by default in 11.50.

That is irrelevant to my point, which is that nothing was taken away since you can still enable it again.

Originally posted by grey:

Other than appearance, would could be the benefit of disabling this button?

That user studies shows that hardly anyone is using it?

And don't forget that there's always the browser history, too!

Thank for the help
But i think it should be enabled by default for all users

The more arguments I read the more I think, even though I never personally use it, removing it by default was a mistake.

If for some reason you want to toggle it easily you can add the following command somewhere in a custom menu

Item, "Show Dropdown Arrow" = "Set preference, "User Prefs|Show Dropdown Button In Addressfield=1" | Set preference, "User Prefs|Show Dropdown Button In Addressfield=0"

I recommend in putting it in [Protocol Button Context Menu] and maybe Opera could follow suit with a real option there.

Reasons not to remove it by default:

1. It takes like what, 10x10 pixels? What else would you put in that place? It's usually empty for me and it doesn't hurt my eyes to see that little arrow.

2. Many people have been using this feature for years and now it's suddenly gone (yes I know you can enable it).

3. Let's say you are determined to go with revolutionary change. People update browser (since it's so simple now) and see dropdown menu gone. I was able to google it and find solution. Many however will not (especially non-english may have problems). Intuitively they look into appearance options hoping to see that option, but it's not there.

In it's current state opera UI is very good and doesn't need improvements. Developers seem to be a little bored and make stupid changes (also like random automatic tab stacking, which also couldn't be disabled, maybe not it can). They're going into absolute minimalism direction (like chrome) which is bad. If I wanted minimalism I'd chose chrome, but I didn't.

Thanks for the help guys. Came here 1 minute after the update. Why would they ever remove such a useful feature by default? Makes no sense. Although ever since version 10 I feel they are giving me reasons to jump to another browser. It's like they don't want me anymore. Every single change (to me) seems backwards since 10.

Originally posted by GuitarMantra:

I want to enable and disable this feature frequently as i need to.

You should also opt for redundancy. Make it a note and a bookmark. That makes it virtually impossible to loose it.

Or open a new tab and type opera:config. Then in the search field type the word dropdown. Then there are three choices of which one of which is Show Dropdown Button In Addressfield. I am using this method when changing a couple of background settings.

Glad this topic was here. All of sudden, the drop down arrow was gone. Relieved that it is back now because that's just the way it should be IMHO. Thanks GuitarMantra for the config link!

Originally posted by bobman:

Installed 11.50, and the alt+down button is not there in the adress bar. Any way of enabling it again?

Yes. I installed 10.62 again.

I'm a little bit angry that it's not enabled by default. well I know it's a freeware and I shouldn't complain. but I should complain because I love opera. yes opera, it's kinda silly to remove it. every browser has it

from me too: please do never remove this feature in Opera browser!
Have a nice time...

Thanks Luxor, I was ready to uninstall Opera, cleanup my system, cleanup registry, delete all opera settings and all opera files in user common folders etc...

It shouldn't be Disable for the all reasons write in this threat!
But if Opera developments thinks that it should be disable at least the should put an options in the Settings/Preferences and not in the opera:config

That is right Bi2L. Not everybody is a computer geek. Some (most of the) people are just users for who it is just a tool not a whole religion i.e. linux users.
The Opera developers seem to be like Bill Gates who knows best what we really need (like 640kB LOL).