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The World VS Terror
The world might have fought and won many wars both great and small, both in solo and in unity, but there is one war that seems to me that the world has lost, and i can't see any way that we can defeat this little but relentless enemy called TERROR. I believe that Terror, no matter how much we kill the terrorist will ever remain as long as mentality differs and there are people who want to fight and kill for God.What do you people think: Could Terror ever be defeated?
Would Terror ever be defeated?
| Option | Results | Votes | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Depends on your definition for "Terror" |  |
25% | 2 |
| Terror has defeated the world | |
0% | 0 |
| With time, it would be defeated | |
38% | 3 |
| No | |
50% | 4 |
| Yes | |
13% | 1 |
| Total number of votes: | 8 | ||
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by troels:
hmm be careful where you wish for... At least not in north eastern Nigeria state of bornu where a certain terror group known as boko haram, now finds it a habit of attacking pubs and beer palour.I want my beer and I want it now!
Originally posted by laujustice:
well we all know the terror king pin just got whacked. That should be a minus for terror shouldn't itThe world might have fought and won many wars both great and small, both in solo and in unity, but there is one war that seems to me that the world has lost, and i can't see any way that we can defeat this little but relentless enemy called TERROR. I believe that Terror, no matter how much we kill the terrorist will ever remain as long as mentality differs and there are people who want to fight and kill for God.
What do you people think: Could Terror ever be defeated?
? Human have hound in their house to protect their family against the wolf. As the hound getting more power, they don't want to be guard any more. They want to be master. So the hound trained some wolf they captured. Let these agent wolf to attack and kill human. Human is frightened. They give hound whatever they wanted, equipment, power ..... Now hound become master. When they need something, they let the agent wolf have an attack on human, then said, this is a long war, to protect your lives, I need warrantless surveillance, more budget fund, torture prison.... . The hound repeated its demand, "This enemy has struck us, and they will strike again, and we'll give our folks the tools necessary to protect the country," if you don't then the hound "can not protect ourselves".
That's why we saw after 10 years, occasionally a wolf or two were captured. But hundreds of thousands of innocent people died. There is an endless war to control people. A constant blackmail for more power. If Chavez says it's devil, he may say truth.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
i bet wise old uncle sam w'd knowAnd which big country I wonder has caused more mayhem in the world since World War 2?
Originally posted by rjhowie:
and recieved with relishHa, ha. A crate of Irn Bru is deserved!
Originally posted by rjhowie:
You name itAnd which big country I wonder has caused more mayhem in the world since World War 2?
Originally posted by laujustice:
its already been named....in encryptionOriginally posted by rjhowie:
You name itAnd which big country I wonder has caused more mayhem in the world since World War 2?
Recently, the FBI set up a sting and caught a guy who was planning on blowing up Congress and the Pentagon using radio-controlled aircraft. The plan never had any chance of success for a number of reasons, one of which is that the FBI found out about it and set up the sting to nail him.
Other reasons it would fail: 1. Model fighter craft of the type our friendly local neighborhood terrorist was planning on using are generally near their maximum flyable wingload to begin with. That means it is impossible to put much C4 on the bird and still expect it to get off the ground. At a certain point your runway has to turn into a highway because this bird just ain't gonna fly.
2. R/C control is line-of-sight. The range of the radio set might be as much as three miles, but the fact is that if you can't see it you can't control it, and that limits you to maybe a third of a mile--- and then you have to have a clear view of the target too. Now, somebody might suggest TV guidance, but remember point #1. That TV transmitter adds weight, which subtracts from your bomb-load and also makes it less likely to fly.
3. Combine points 1 and 2, and now you're close enough for security to notice you're up to something. A craft big enough to carry a meaningful load of C4 is too big to bring to the take-off point already set up, so that means you have to do the final set-up at the flying field-- likely the parking lot at Pentagon HQ, for example. Set up a large model aircraft in the parking lot and I guarantee that security will be on you like white on rice before you get fuel in the plane's tank.
4. OK, Deadeye Dingle, let's assume you've overcome the first three things--- with the odds enormously against you, I might add-- now you've got the problem of getting your flying bomb into the building. It's not as easy as you thought when you were in your mother's basement, feverishly coming up with this crackpot idea. The plane doesn't have anywhere near the weight to break through the wall the way full-size airliners did, it might not even break an office window--- and even if it does, a model fighter that can carry a meaningful amount of explosive is too big to get in that way. So, you're hoping somebody opens a door and that you've been practicing your trick flying. It's the only way in. Any explosion outside the building will destroy nothing except maybe some nearby eardrums, and since you're only a third of a mile away, having to be visible in order to see and control the aircraft with a transmitter in your hands it's all but certain you're caught. So,you have to get it into the building to make it worth it.
This ain't a TV stunt, this is the real deal-- and when security and the police figure what's happening they're going to be open for business. I wonder if Allah pays off in virgins for dying while doing something really stupid?
But, as long as terrorists come up with ideas like this, and the shoe bomb, and the underwear bomb, I have hopes that we eventually will win against them.
when I'm alone, I will look at them
shocked and just whisper quietly
"You can see me?"
Thinks it is the greatest.
Spreads it's debatable culture all round the world.
If it cannot get a commercial hold over a country it will create trouble in it and end up attacking it.
Thinks it's the cruxible of democracy (giggle).
Been run by big business since it had a revolution not created from the masses but the money men.
Doesn't like the UN as it ses it as a rival on the world scene (except when it gets a UN Resolution to warp for it's own ends). Oddly it is one of the leaders in using the veto!
Is still to realise the Israel is controlling it rather than the other way round.
I know, I kniow...you guessed right after the first clue!
Originally posted by katsung47:
The war on terror was invented by the Feds. The purpose is to demand more money and power from the people. So when the intelligence and Pentagon are there, the terror will always there. If there is none, they create one.
Human have hound in their house to protect their family against the wolf. As the hound getting more power, they don't want to be guard any more. They want to be master. So the hound trained some wolf they captured. Let these agent wolf to attack and kill human. Human is frightened. They give hound whatever they wanted, equipment, power ..... Now hound become master. When they need something, they let the agent wolf have an attack on human, then said, this is a long war, to protect your lives, I need warrantless surveillance, more budget fund, torture prison.... . The hound repeated its demand, "This enemy has struck us, and they will strike again, and we'll give our folks the tools necessary to protect the country," if you don't then the hound "can not protect ourselves".
That's why we saw after 10 years, occasionally a wolf or two were captured. But hundreds of thousands of innocent people died. There is an endless war to control people. A constant blackmail for more power. If Chavez says it's devil, he may say truth.
Good observations.
Terrorist acts are pretty much individual crimes. No government can stop all crimes. No matter how much punishment and how much surveillance, there will always be some crime.
Governments can reduce the number of incidents, and can reduce the effect they have. I haven't seen any government try to reduce the effect, and that's a shame. Reducing the number of incidents is important, but it isn't everything.
The thing is, it is not a war. Some politicians call it a war... they are purposely misusing the word, trying to make the populace think in terms of real war. Sadly, much of the populace accepts it. The word "war" is often abused by politicians ("war" on drugs, "war" on whatever). These are crimes of individuals and small groups.
Quote, "FBI Organizes Almost All Terror Plots in the US
Russia Today
The FBI has used those informants to set-up and thus shut-down several of the more high profile would-be attacks in recent years. The report reveals that the Washington DC Metro bombing plot, the New York City subway plot, the attempt to blow up Chicago’s Sears Tower and dozens more were all orchestrated by FBI agents. In fact, reads the report, only three of the more well-known terror plots of the last decade weren’t orchestrated by FBI-involved agents.
http://lewrockwell.com/rep2/fbi-behind-most-us-terror-plots.html
Quote, "US: inspiring attacks from within
01 July, 2011,
Three men convicted of trying to blow up synagogues in New York have each been sentenced to 25 years in prison. But the case has raised allegations of entrapment, after they were actually incited by the FBI, and handed fake bombs.
¬Critics claim it was a set-up, but the judge said her hands were tied.
For nearly a decade, the US has waged a widespread global war on terror. It has required a multi-tasking military effort overseas.
On the domestic front, US officials have decided to redouble their efforts, recently announcing counter-terrorism plans that refocus resources on combating home-grown plots.
“This is the first counter-terrorism strategy that focuses on the ability of Al-Qaeda and its network to inspire people in the United States to attack us from within, ” John Brennan, U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor declared recently.
Yet in countless so-called FBI sting operations, media reports suggest the FBI operative provided the fake C4, and actually showed them the fake stinger missile.
The inspiration to attack America has sometimes come from a government-paid informant working to orchestrate the plot.
Critics of this tactic say it was exercised in a New York case dubbed the “Newburgh Four”.
The suspects – poor, illiterate, African-American Muslims – were presented as the faces of homegrown terrorism, and subsequently found guilty of conspiring and attempting US terrorist attacks.
“There was no direction by a foreign entity or terrorist group,” said Joseph Demarest, the head of the FBI’s New York office in May 2009.
Instead direction came from Shahid Hussain. a Pakistani immigrant on the FBI payroll. He was reportedly paid $100,000 for his services.
According to court testimony, Hussain recruited the cash-strapped former convicts by offering cars and cash to carry out the operation he reportedly orchestrated.
“Four individuals sought to bomb Jewish facilities here in the Bronx and also take down a military aircraft in Newburgh,” Demarest subsequently acknowledged.
None of the defendants had passports or licenses. What the government had was an agent provocateur who testified in court as a key witness.
The same day, a new counter-terrorism strategy was touted, the Newburgh Four were sentenced to 25 years in prison each.
A tearful and angered crowd of supporters gathered outside Manhattan’s federal courthouse.
“Who holds the government accountable? Turning on your own American citizens. People that’s [sic] born right here on American soil. This is a damn shame. Miscarriage of justice and we will keep fighting back,” says Alicia McWilliams McCollum, an aunt of David Williams, a Newburgh Four defendant.
“The government should not be allowed to entrap folks, make plans, and set the whole course of a complete plan, and then take the victims and sentence them to 25 years in prison,” says David Williams Sr., Williams’ father.
FBI-informants have reportedly been used in dozens of so called foiled plots since 9/11.
Critics say hundreds of Americans are languishing behind bars for fake terror attacks planted and grown by the US government.
http://rt.com/news/us-entrap-terror-convict/
Originally posted by rjhowie:
and the fact that they feel they are always right- that superority complex- pisses me offId there is anything in this ind of thing it is food for the controllers in the Ex-Colonies who constantly like to keep the population on a fear syndrome so they can march around the world with their baton policing everyone to remain the world's superpower. It has sadly long lost it's morality in that diection?
Government-Assisted Terrorists
By Salim Muwakkil
The FBI informant allegedly gave the four men cash, food, rent money and drugs. And he agreed to pay for a sick brother¡¯s liver transplant.
09/06/16 Arrests in New York 'attack plot'
Four men have been arrested over alleged plots to attack targets in New York, US prosecutors say.
They planned to blow up a synagogue and use Stinger missiles to bring down military planes at an airport north of the city, a statement said.
The men were arrested after agreeing to buy missiles and explosives in an undercover operation.
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/8060684.stm>
694. The term of FBI Chief (11/21/2011)
Two years ago, I talked about the other story of the resignation of the chief of the FBI and DEA.
Re: “610. The road of persecution (9/23/09)
……
7. In early April, 2001, Feds (DOD and DOJ) created EP-3 spy plane incident. In negotiation to release the spy plane crew, FBI and DEA signed a secret deal with Chinese government. In the secret deal, China would frame a drug case. The payment was huge. China was granted to host 2008 Olympic Game and to be a member of WTO. China was greatly benefitted by this deal. As a result, China now becomes the second economic power in the world. Because of that deal, both the director of FBI and DEA resigned in April 2001 and left their posts three months later.
to see the secret deal about spy-plane at:
http://www.skolnicksreport.com/rcshdeals.html “
The term for FBI chief is ten years. Louis Freeh headed the office from 1993 to 2001, two years short for a full term. He and the Chief of DEA both resigned in April (when their representatives signed the secret deal with China to frame a drug case) and left their post in later June. June 11, 2001 was the action date of the framed drug case. They left their post after their plot ended (though it failed to go through).
I learned the action date from an intimidation from FBI.
Author:FBI <> (66.44.60.9)
Subject:Your Time Is UP, Kat Hak Sung !Sat, Jun 9 2001 at 8:25 am[
Email Msg </cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi?c=emailmsgform&fid=1937-truth&mid=27> | Invite </cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi?c=inviteform&fid=1937-truth>
Message:Kat Hak Sung! Your time is up! We are giving you 3x24 hours to surrender. Turn yourself in to the local authority where you are residing now. You have been sentenced to DEATH in absentia. ..... Within 3x24 hours you should surrender and turn yourself in, to serve your death sentence under the gallows. The state of California has restored this kind of death sentence just for you. ....
3x24 hours after posting time was 6/12/2001, the date of the execution of McVeigh was 6/11. Since then I learned that when the Feds planned an illegal case, they used to arrange big event(s) to distract public attention from the plot. The criminal style was proved many times later in my experience.
I also realized so said “democracy” is a cheating mask. It is a covert totalitarian. They manipulate the judicial system. The Feds executed McVeigh just because they needed a cover up. They had secret court to sentence victim’s death. Now when they failed to frame innocent people in case, they bypassed the Constitution to issue rule for themselves. See “FBI expands agents' reach” in last article. (#693)
September should be the last month for Robert Mueller in his FBI office. (Sep. 2001 – Sep. 2011) His term has been extended for two more years. He has to finish Kat Sung before he leaves the office. The next FBI Chief doesn’t want to take any responsibility to a criminal action. Louis Freeh left office in later June 2001 after his plot finished. (signaled with the execution of McVeigh). Robert Mueller took over the office in early September. There was a three months open period there. Why? Because they knew there would be a big plot to come – 911 attack. The new selected Robert Mueller then didn’t want to take any responsibility of the 911. They didn’t want a new Chief stepping down just after him taking the office. So be it this time.
695. The collusion of D.O.D. and D.O.J. (11/28/2011)
In July 2000, I returned to the States from the drift in South-east Asia. With bitter experience there, I started to write in the Internet to reveal the dark side of the Feds (FBI and DEA). The mole scare of light, the Feds were in panic. On November 12, 2000, there was a big article in San Jose Mercury News – “Killing Pablo”. It said "Pentagon officials were concerned that US forces were possibly violating a presidential directive that prohibited American involvement in assassinations of foreign citizens. " To kill Columbia drug lord Pablo Escoba, US government spent millions in a covert operation in which a secret group assassinated about 300 people. No one was ever prosecuted. US ambassador, DEA, special force of pentagon were involved. The full extent of the US role has never been made public.
Then why did they make it public this time? The article was more of extortion then news. D.O.J. to other department of the government: “You did something illegal abroad, so when I do same thing domestically, keep your mouth shut up. “
But Pablo Escoba was a drug lord, Kat Sung and his family is innocent. That’s totally different. The Feds had to frame a case against him. They found a collaborator- Chinese secret police. China is a big country. The price they asked for was big too: To host the 2008 Olympic and to be the member of WTO. (Chinese merchandise now can bypass the tax barrier to all members of the World Trade Organization.)Both were important to boost Chinese economy. For the Feds, nothing was more important than to cover up their crime. The interest of the USA was thrown behind. China got what they wanted.
How could they let US government make such a big concession to a potential rival country? Then we saw the April 2000 EP-3 spy plane incident. US paid a huge ransom to release the crew of the spy plane in a secret deal. However, it was a big strategy loss for the US. Both heads of the FBI and the DEA had to leave their office for that secret deal.
The D.O.D. and the D.O.J. had a collusion in April 2000. In that month, D.O.D. had its spy plane collided with a Chinese fighter and landed in Hainan Island of Chna. With the help of the Pentagon, the D.O.J. got a secret deal from China to frame a drug case they wanted. (however, the framed drug case went soured and failed again and again under my revelation until now)
In same month, under the influence of the D.O.J. (I say so because it’s FBI who controls domestic society) Silverstein got the lease of the Twin Towers. WTC were under control, prepared for the collapse in coming September. Pentagon got what they wanted: the war in Middle East.
Ownership, Control, and Insurance of The World Trade Center
On April 26 of 2001 the Board of Commissioners for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey awarded Silverstein Properties and mall-owner Westfield America a 99-year-lease on the following assets: The Twin Towers, World Trade Center Buildings 4 and 5, two 9-story office buildings, and 400,000 square feet of retail space.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/background/owners.html
The 2000 April ended with these two events – spy plane incident and new lease of WTC, a cross deal between the D.O.D. and the D.O.J..A false flag terror attack was ready. On first day next month, ABC news let out the news of “Operation Northwoods”.
U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba
By David Ruppe N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001
In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
If you think you have this news because of the Information freedom Act, then you are wrong. It was a pre-psychological propaganda – part of the 911 plot. It was used to justify the coming 911 attack. It told other government officials: “See, we didn’t start it. It was created by former military leaders. We just copy it.”
In 1990s twice I left US because I couldn’t endure the persecution from the Feds. At that time, the US was still a free country. I bought an air ticket. No one asked a word. There was no security search. It was like a domestic bus trip. That now becomes Alice in Wonderland. It was not the Feds wanted. They needed a power to search and detain without any reason. To achieve that goal, they activated two “terror attacks”.
The first attempt was OKC bombing. I allege so based on timing. I left US in July 1994 and returned in May 1995. The Feds must have felt the needs of a law to confine their dislikes to travel freely. To get me back to the US, they had dealt with the Chinese secret police. In April, my application to extend my stay in Shanghai was rejected. In same month, OKC bombing took place.
The evidence now proved the FBI conducted this bombing.
TERRY NICHOLS IMPLICATES FBI INFORMANT IN BOMBING
Amazing New Evidence Emerges in Oklahoma Bombing
By Pat Shannan
…..
There are now serious allegations that the FBI, using an informer as a conduit, supplied McVeigh and Nichols with the blasting components the two used to construct explosive devices, one of which may have been employed in the tragic Oklahoma City bombing.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/NICHOLS_IMPLICATES.htm
Thursday, August 18, 2011
Oklahoma City Bombing: FBI Informants Reported on ABC News, McVeigh Defense Team
FBI informants reporting on the Oklahoma City bombing provided the bureau with leads taken from ABC News and Timothy McVeigh's defense team, according to documents filed in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.
http://news.intelwire.com/2011/08/oklahoma-city-bombing-fbi-informants.html
In early 2000s, I have learned from a news that said former FBI Chief Louis Freeh had proposed a bill similar to the Patriot Act after OKC bombing but failed to get it go through. I tried to have a google search for that article but failed. The Feds must have sheltered most information that related to their crime. They control information with their cyber team and NSA. Anyhow, I found another information little noticed by the public.
Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996
…..
The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, Pub. L. No. 104-132, 110 Stat. 1214, (also known as AEDPA) is an act of Congress signed into law on April 24, 1996. ……following the Oklahoma City bombing, and signed into law by President Bill Clinton.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiterrorism_and_Effective_Death_Penalty_Act_of_1996
Although the Feds failed to get The Patriot Act in 1996, that AEDPA revealed their intention. Be noticed that the title shows they used terrorism to expand their power five years earlier of 911.
Next time I left US in March 1999 and returned to the States in July 2000. One year later they bombed WTC. This time they got what they wanted – the Patriot Act.
The Patriot Act gives the Feds expanded (unreasonable) power of search and arrest. It seems they do not satisfy with this. Now they want to have the power to detain the citizens without trial for life.
Petition to IMPEACH ALL Senators who Voted for "U.S. is a Battlefield" and to detain U.S. Citizens without trial
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/892/petition-to-impeach-all-senators-who-voted-for-us-is-a-battlefield-and-to-detain-us-citizens-without/
The New National Defense Authorization Act Is Ridiculously Scary
David Seaman, Credit Card Outlaw | Nov. 30, 2011,
Fellow entrepreneurs, Americans, anyone who still cares about this country at all -- this is a must read: By the end of this week, the US government very likely will have the power to lock up US citizens for life at Guantanamo Bay or other military prisons -- without charge and without trial. This means that, in the near future, a controversial Twitter post, attending a peaceful protest, or publishing an anti-Congress critique or anti-TSA rant on Google+ could land you "indefinite detention" for life, in the wording of the bill. No access to a lawyer, no access to trial.
With this Act, what’s the good for the Constitution?
697. TSA search, Canada and Mexico (12/11/2011)
In September 2009, I renewed my passport. In later September I ordered an air ticket to Hong Kong. That night, as usual, I watched the news of the Chinese tv channel KTSF26. I was astonished by a report – it showed how the Feds planting fake notes into innocent passenger’s pocket in airport security check. To propaganda an illegal action of the Feds in positive way was unusual. Obviously it was an intimidation on me – “we wouldn’t let you leave US”. After two bombings(OKC and 911), the Feds got that search power. I canceled the air ticket right away.
Several days later, on 10/4, my father passed away. I thought it was another intimidation - done by the Feds. However, my father’s death only prompted my decision of leaving. I took a Grey Hound bus to Vancouver on 10/7. I was denied to enter the Canada. No reason was given. I complained to law makers and A.G.. Most had no reply, one suggested to ask help from D.O.J. . Here is the article I wrote about this event two years ago.
Re: “611. Restricted in US (10/17/09)
Ten days ago, I was denied to enter the Canada in board check point. Since I have all the document and sufficient fund a tourist should have. I think the board officer was instructed by the misleading information from the US Federal agent. Here is my complain to Attorney General……”
It was sarcasm for a victim who suffered in a theft case to ask for help from the thief.
There are three ways for me to leave USA: 1. by air flights. It is now blocked with TSA searches and arrest. (which means a framed case by planting is possible.) 2. through Canada. It was proved being blocked by the collaboration of the Canada government. 3. Through Mexico. The tactic the Feds used is to make it a killing field so when a particularly planned murder happened, it would have been buried in mass slaughtering cases. Those drug killings, was actually a distract tactic.
After I return home from the Canada board, I started to understand the purpose of OKC bombing and 911 attack. It was for the “search and arrest” power. (for the Feds)
Then more and more killing cases in Mexico caught my eye. I thought the Feds were behind those killings. They were afraid I would leave US via Mexico. My thought was proved one year later when “Operation Fast and Furious” was revealed. It is conducted by the Feds. The purpose was not to track illegal drug trading but to cover up a possible murder by mass killings. The “Operation Fast and Furious” was created when the Feds found I intended to leave USA. Check the timing.
Heritage: The Fast and Furious Scandal Continues
• Posted by Arizona Tea Party on August 31, 2011 at 8:30am
This is the story of Fast and Furious, and yesterday the latest chapter unfolded when two top officials associated with the operation were removed from their positions, while a third individual resigned.
The story begins in the fall of 2009,
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ1PyirMFXybt2fMH5NZnyv2lhE4n0LCSy5kvOvECbecXYaSToNFg
Since the “fall of 2009”, the media and discussion boards in Internet were full with topics of “TSA”, “pat down”, “see through screen” and bloody killings in Mexico. They had a purpose. If a passenger was arrested for carrying “fake money” or “drugs” or other illegal things, the public would believe “the TSA’s strict searches” and not doubt it’s a planting case. Or no one would have noticed a single murder in Mexico when there are so many beheading, mass slaughtering cases there.
Terror is terrifying.
The planet just sits there.
Terror dances about in a way that was meant to be powerful but ends up being lame because...
The planet just sits there.
Some lame group of people decide that making terror will get them what they want.
They do stuff.
The planet just sits there.
The world turns a baleful eye and then goes back to sulking, and terror dies of anemia.
(I've been watching Jan Svankmajer again ... ) [and am now irked that I can't put the proper accent marks on]
Originally posted by katsung47:
There are three ways for me to leave USA: 1. by air flights. It is now blocked with TSA searches and arrest. (which means a framed case by planting is possible.) 2. through Canada. It was proved being blocked by the collaboration of the Canada government. 3. Through Mexico. The tactic the Feds used is to make it a killing field so when a particularly planned murder happened, it would have been buried in mass slaughtering cases. Those drug killings, was actually a distract tactic.
You can always get a boat and sail... that's how we've discovered your land
If you don't sail, maybe having a few lessons in advance would be useful for crossing the Atlantic... just avoid Azores, we have there an American base that must be full of Feds. Go a bit South, the Gulf stream will take you directly here.
I'll certainly pay you a drink when you'll arrive...
1. FBI and DEA control the leaders of Mexican drug gang. Thus they actually control the drug activities of Mexico drug trading.
“Mexican Narco-Trafficker’s Revelation Exposes Drug War’s Duplicity
Posted by Bill Conroy - April 25, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Trail of Government Intrigue Leads Back to Cocaine Jet That Crashed in Mexico’s Yucatan
A high-level player with one of the most notorious narco-trafficking organizations in Mexico, the Sinaloa “cartel,” claims that he has been working with the U.S. government for years, according to pleadings filed recently in federal court in Chicago.
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/bill-conroy/2011/04/mexican-narco-trafficker-s-revelation-exposes-drug-war-s-duplicity “
“Gun-smuggling cartel figures possibly were paid FBI informants
Probe reveals that the U.S. agency running the 'Fast and Furious' anti-gun-trafficking operation didn't know about the alleged FBI informants. Congressional investigators are looking into the matter.
Suspected members of the Zeta drug cartel are… (STRINGER/MEXICO, REUTERS)
July 17, 2011|By Richard A. Serrano, Washington Bureau
Congressional investigators probing the controversial "Fast and Furious" anti-gun-trafficking operation on the border with Mexico believe at least six Mexican drug cartel figures involved in gun smuggling also were paid FBI informants, officials said Saturday.
The investigators have asked the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Administration for details about the alleged informants, as well as why agents at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which ran the Fast and Furious operation, were not told about them
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/17/nation/la-na-cartel-guns-20110717 “
“ Drug cartel leaders are FBI informants, official says
7 Jul 2011 San Jose Mercury News By Richard A. Serrano
Ill- fated ATF deal could have been avoided, panel hears
WASHINGTON — The embattled head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has told congressional investigators that some Mexican drug cartel figures targeted by his agency in a gun-trafficking investigation were paid informants for the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration. “
2. BATF only carries out the order from Washington.
How the "Fast and Furious" program put thousands of weapons directly into the hands of Mexican drug gangs
Here's how "Fast and Furious" worked: Under orders from Washington, ATF agents were specifically told to acquire these weapons using "straw" buyers in the USA, find new buyers in Mexican drug gangs, then sell the weapons and "lose track" of them. Although some agents raised concerns about the insanity, they were overruled by the higher-ups in Washington who wanted to pursue this policy for their own reasons. "It made no sense to us either, it was just what we were ordered to do, and every time we questioned that order there was punitive action," said Phoenix Special Agent John Dodson.
But what could be the reasons for Washington initiating such a program in the first place? Why would the Obama administration actively send 30,000 sniper rifles, assault weapons and firearms into Mexico even while claiming to follow an anti-gun stance back in the USA?
To answer that question, you need to understand P.R.S -- Problem, Reaction, Solution. It is the "playbook" that governments use to get what they want, which usually involves: 1) Disarming their populations, 2) Taking away all their rights and freedoms, and then 3) Ruling over their people as tyrants with complete power.
Precisely such an effort is now underway in the United States, led by the Obama administration which has repeatedly demonstrated itself to be an enemy of the U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights.
http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_ATF_illegal_firearms.html
3. Fast and Furious was not used to track the route of illegal weapons but was to cause a bloody killing field (or in National Defense Authorization Act: battle field).
To track one weapon takes a team’s work. How many people does it need to track 3,000? So the Operation from the beginning was not to track the illegal route of the gun trading but to push up a killing wave in Mexico. BATF agent also was ordered “lose track” of these weapons. The purpose is to make Mexico a killing field to stop a witness of the Feds’ crime from leaving US.
699. B.A.T.F. is a scapegoat (12/26/2011)
B.A.T.F. was originally part of Treasure Department. For more than a decade FBI tried to take it over. B.A.T.F. resisted such effort. However, FBI has more influence over the law makers. B.A.T.F. finally is taken over by the D.O.J..
Merger fails to curb FBI, ATF antagonism
Sunday, May 11, 2008
WASHINGTON — In the five years since the FBI and ATF were merged under the Justice Department to coordinate the fight against terrorism, the rival law enforcement agencies have fought each other for control, wasting time and money and causing duplication of effort, according to law enforcement sources and internal documents.
Their new boss, the attorney general, ordered them to merge their national bomb databases, but the FBI has refused. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has long trained bomb-sniffing dogs; the FBI started a competing program.
At crime scenes, FBI and ATF agents have threatened to arrest one another and battled over jurisdiction and key evidence. The ATF inadvertently bought counterfeit cigarettes from the FBI — the government selling to the government — because the agencies are running parallel investigations of tobacco smuggling between Virginia and other states.
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http://www.tampabay.com/incoming/article499205.ece
In Oct 7, 2009, Kat Sung – a target of the FBI and DEA because he witnesses their crime – tried to leave US via Canada but was rejected. It rattled the Feds. To prevent Sung to leave via Mexico, they decided to turn Mexico into a killing field in the name of drug gang war. (because they control the Mexico drug gangs.) Killing needs weapon. Then we saw “Operation Fast and Furious”. B.A.T.F. is under control of the Department of Justice. It was ordered to play the role to supply the weapons to the drug gangs.
Here's how "Fast and Furious" worked: Under orders from Washington, ATF agents were specifically told to acquire these weapons using "straw" buyers in the USA, find new buyers in Mexican drug gangs, then sell the weapons and "lose track" of them. Although some agents raised concerns about the insanity, they were overruled by the higher-ups in Washington who wanted to pursue this policy for their own reasons. "It made no sense to us either, it was just what we were ordered to do, and every time we questioned that order there was punitive action," said Phoenix Special Agent John Dodson.
Though the B.A.T.F. agents question the operation, they were overruled by the higher-ups in Washington. As a result, since the fall of 2009, Mexico becomes a slaughtering field. More than 2,000 guns in operation were lost and many turned up in at least 170 violent crime scenes in Mexico. The Feds got what they wanted.
The “Operation of Fast and Furious” was revealed early this year. B.A.T.F. was questioned and some heads stepped down. The real masterminds remain untouched. B.A.T.F. becomes a scapegoat.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
Hey mjmsprt40...where are you?!
Where do you want me to be?
OK, if Kat wants to believe that I'm secretly operating as a provocateur, you might as well be secretly operating as "control".
In truth, though, Kat's stuff is getting a trifle old. Sooner or later it always gets back to "The government's after me to shut me up, and in order to do that they cause an earthquake in Chile to distract from my wife's trip to Wal-Mart". Note that Chile is on the Pacific "Ring of Fire", so earthquakes and volcanoes can be expected there, with or without the US doing anything at HAARP.
Ho-hum.
when I'm alone, I will look at them
shocked and just whisper quietly
"You can see me?"
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
A harp of another "color".in order to do that they cause an earthquake in Chile to distract from my wife's trip to Wal-Mart". Note that Chile is on the Pacific "Ring of Fire", so earthquakes and volcanoes can be expected there, with or without the US doing anything at HAARP.
Ho-hum.
We did it, 40, we did it!
Walmart, where the Earth meets Heaven!
Phony FBI Terror Plots Garner Increased International Scrutiny
December 03, 2011
By The Staff at AFP -
On Nov. 18 Jose Pimentel, an American citizen from the Dominican Republic, was arrested in New York and charged with constructing a pipe bomb. A federal informant who had been monitoring him sat by, giving him directions, having already instructed Pimentel to attack an American target in revenge for the assassination of American Islamic cleric Anwar al-Awlaki. Reuters and other news agencies immediately met reports of the plot with skepticism, especially after they said Pimentel bought his bomb-making materials while accompanied by the informant, who eventually caused his arrest.
This incident was the latest in a series of bogus terror arrests that has drawn the attention of international media sources, particularly Britain’s Guardian newspaper, which ran a Nov. 16 exposé on increasing governmental efforts to fabricate terror incidents in order to generate fear that can be used to control the American people.
The Guardian report followed a study by the University of California at Berkeley showing that only three of the hundreds of terror plots investigated by the United States may have had an existence independent of the FBI. Federal informants have been scouring the country trying to create terrorist incidents in order to help the careers of U.S. attorneys and justify excessive American expenditure on anti-terrorist campaigns.
The FBI has 10,000 field agents on its payroll, and each of those agents is required to have at least four informants working for him full time, manufacturing crimes, in exchange for a paltry $400 a week, plus up to a $2,000 bonus if their lies lead to a conviction. On average, each FBI agent maintains approximately 10 such informants, meaning that 100,000 Americans on the FBI’s payroll do nothing with their day but manufacture criminal conspiracies. The U.S. Marshals, DEA, Immigration and Customs Enforcement and BATFE maintain similar programs, meaning that as many as half a million Americans are earning a full-time living attempting to lure other Americans into criminal acts, only to be prosecuted by the government.
“Legally, you have to use the word ‘entrapment’ very carefully. It is a very strict legal term,” said Karen Greenberg, a professor at Fordham University.
http://americanfreepress.net/?p=1647
Originally posted by rjhowie:
And the US wonders why the world thinks it hypocritical?
Yes, because since the dawn of time no other country or government in the history of creation has ever practised any form of hypocrisy ever.
Originally posted by katsung47:
How a terrorist was created?
Now ... I know this one ... don't help me ... it's right on the tip of my tongue ... got it ... in an Al Qaeda terrorist training camp in Pakistan?
13. January 2012, 20:05:41 (edited)
Originally posted by rjhowie:
Too simple a put down OperaBloke.
It's not simple & it's not a 'put-down'. You can't criticise a country's foreign or domestic policy as being hypocritical without admitting that hypocrisy is not just the domain of any one specific country or government.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
For a country that constantly beats it's chest, claims it is bigger, better, freer than everywhere it does top the hypocrisy charts.
I have French relatives, they tell me that France has the best democracy in the world & that French people are the most free people in the world. Furthermore, they claim that their culture is the best in the world, their language the most beautiful etc. The English claim similar things.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
Now look at it after all the boasting?
And which boasting would that be exactly? Be specific. Exactly which American(s) are metaphorically (or otherwise) beating their chests? There is certainly a lot of chest beating going on in this forum. I'm not so sure it's all by Americans though. It is a big country geographically, although Russia is actually bigger. Its empire wasn't as big as the British Empire of course, neither has it lasted as long. There again, the US hasn't committed nearly half the atrocities that the British Empire did. Admittedly they regularly like to claim that they single handedly won WWII for the world. They seem to forget the fact that the RAF defeated the Luftwaffe & bombed Berlin before they came into the war. In fact, they often seem to forget that even after U-Boats sank US ships, they were still reluctant to join the war & only eventually chose a side when the Japanese attacked the Pacific Fleet. But I blame Hollywood for that, apparently the US also invented radar, sonar, the electronic computer, the jet engine & decrypted the Nazi Enigma codes without any help either. Perhaps someone should inform them about Bletchley Park & Colossus.
Oh dear, I may have been 'chest beating' about British ingenuity there a bit. Did I forget to mention that the RAF defeated the Luftwaffe (the first nation to do so ever) without any help from the US?
Edit: Yes, the first nation to beat the Luftwaffe! This means you Dutch bloke!
Originally posted by OperaBloke:
Oh dear, I may have been 'chest beating' about British ingenuity there a bit. Did I forget to mention that the RAF defeated the Luftwaffe (the first nation to do so ever) without any help from the US?
Was there a second nation that defeated the Luftwaffe?
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by OperaBloke:
Oh dear, I may have been 'chest beating' about British ingenuity there a bit. Did I forget to mention that the RAF defeated the Luftwaffe (the first nation to do so ever) without any help from the US?
Was there a second nation that defeated the Luftwaffe?
You know what I meant.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
For a country that constantly beats it's chest,
'beats its chest'
It's = It is.
Originally posted by OperaBloke:
It's = It is.
Well…
Originally posted by OED:
Etymology: Formed in end of 16th cent. < it pron. + 's of the possessive or genitive case, and at first commonly written it's , a spelling retained by some to the beginning of the 19th cent.
rjhowie is merely a little old-fashioned.
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