Occupy Wall Street protests not valid?

Is it ok for police to pepper spray peaceful protesters and then walk away?



Oh, and the media hardly covers the protests themselves, much less this so there's only youtube.

Nope, converging on the Iowa Caucus even now.

In other news, Verizon had to rescind it's two dollar fee for paying online after instituting it. The people are taking being nickled and dimed and bullied by these giant corporations anymore. It's not the amount of money, it's the very idea that they would have bass balls to do this.

Maybe the Congress could move from where it sits to Wall Street? That seems a more suitable place as that is who governs the country and the politicians are it's shock troops. The Capitol could then become a museum showing where democracy once may have been?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Maybe the Congress could move from where it sits to Wall Street? That seems a more suitable place as that is who governs the country and the politicians are it's shock troops. The Capitol could then become a museum showing where democracy once may have been?

Same in Europe. Greece, Ireland and Portugal all couldn't pay their bills, so the EU lent them the cash to do so. But at punishing interest rates, and with orders to impose austerity on their people. European banks have been treated more kindly, with the European Central Bank lending £400 billion to banks in trouble, at just 1% interest. That'll be easy for the banks to make a profit on, heck I could make a profit if I was given 400 billion at 1%, so big bonuses for bankers next year, while ordinary people see their living standards fall.
As some say, it's socialism for bankers, market forces for the rest of us.

So media blackout of the movement still going strong? What do you guys think? Will mass arrest and indefinite detention of rowdy citizens after the new law seal all mass protests, or will it just mean a bigger shitstorm?

bigger shitstorm, start of revolution .

Kind of easy to say it is the same but it is not jo15d. You have to consider America's place in the world and equally the dollar currency which is global. Add the mass numbers of people in the great Republic that are reaching nearly Third World situations and the picture is different. There is a two-party carve up and the banking lot run the country and hardly more than an odd one or two end up in jail. Unlike the millions who are homeless, struggling with no job or money - and no Welfare State. That just wouldn't do.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

........ Add the mass numbers of people in the great Republic that are reaching nearly Third World situations and the picture is different. There is a two-party carve up and the banking lot run the country and hardly more than an odd one or two end up in jail. Unlike the millions who are homeless, struggling with no job or money - and no Welfare State. That just wouldn't do.

Yadda....Yadda....Yadda......

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Kind of easy to say it is the same but it is not jo15d. You have to consider America's place in the world and equally the dollar currency which is global. Add the mass numbers of people in the great Republic that are reaching nearly Third World situations and the picture is different. There is a two-party carve up and the banking lot run the country and hardly more than an odd one or two end up in jail. Unlike the millions who are homeless, struggling with no job or money - and no Welfare State. That just wouldn't do.

Nothing the new law of indefinite detention of protesters without due process won't solve. This was signed into law on new year's eve.

Also, which one or two banksters have ended up in jail? That's a good one.

Singapore would be another potential place for a meet, mulling over taking a short trip there right now. Smileyfaze should know though that there is death penalty for using a firearm in Singapore, or bringing in more than two to the city state.

It's Alive........It's Alive.......OWS is alive!

Just when you thought they all found some slimy scum to huddle with, under some rock or pile of dung somewhere, they shallowly gasp for breath & put the death rattles off for yet another day!

....NYC Occucommies laid siege to a Starbucks over the weekend, assaulting police officers in the process. Here are three of the bold warriors who struggle against the oppression of economic freedom on behalf of the put-upon 99%:

Starbucks-Occucommies



Not that different from Tea Partiers, as Obama would say.

Don’t get the impression that all of these moonbats are lowlife losers. The one on the left is Alexander Penley, a lawyer who lives on the snooty and ultra-liberal Upper West Side. The other two will probably end up earning degrees in education.

Source Moonbattery

Ahhhh, Spring is in the air!

Catch a whiff before the OWS Stench takes over a park or playground near you!

Aren't you simply ecstatic that the Occupy Wall Street Mob is making a stellar reemergence!!??

Well, aren't you!!??

And when do the bankers the top money men defrauding money including tax money get their pictures up here in balance Smileyfaze. They get off with fradud on masive scales whilst tens of millions of decent Americans get rubbished. What kind of society allows that to happen. Your onslaught is rather one-sided to the extreme point of being ridiculous. They move money about, lie, cheat and get away with it and don't care a damn about the trillions of debt as long as thet off with money fixing. Not so much a fault line but a disaster one.

All men are created equal.

From that moment on they are only what they make of themselves. Opportunity is there for all, all that wish to hunt it out, work hard to take advantage of them, & become what they aspire to be.

There will always be those better off than others......there will always be those worse off than most.

Criminals, regardless of their crimes, will always be criminals, & only their peers can see them brought to justice regardless of their rank or position in life.

Wave your magic wand rj.....wave it till your arm falls off if you insist. In the end inequity will still exist, no mater the efforts of all the righteous.

If you don't like inequity rj.....I suggest you subscribe to the remedies of Jack Kevorkian. You'll sleep better.

Of course there will always be rich and poor. However can I remind you that your country is always beating it's chest about the land of opportunity of fairness and other such labels. How come then the gap between the rich and poor has sunk to it's greatest gap ever - that famous 1% who own and run the country?? At ine time it was in double figures and steadily changed. To balance that we have 40 million poor. A rather odd way to balance equality, freedoms and oportunities one would think? The present situation does not hold water against your views. Jack Keveorkian - who he?!

If you are cumfy of over the pond then you are a naturally genuine American if you have olst your job thorugh no fault of your own, been fleeced by corrupt morgage and loan practices, done in by the money men then that is somehow a right? Just swep all that to one side and eat, drink and stuff the rest.

The one thing I've always noticed is the envy between rich & poor, fueled by Socialist political propaganda that sells the Government as the sole perpetual caretakers of the inauspicious poor, the end of the rainbow for the unfortunate masses, & the never drying motherly tit of eternal salvation.

The rich are always vilified by the Socialists that seem to feel that all should share the same fortunes, everything must be equal & fair, even if you're wrong, you are right, & if some can't find a way to earn their way into this sharing, the Socialists & their governments will take wealth from those that have earned it in order to redistribute it to those that have not earned it, creating a permanent dependent underclass. This dependent underclass comes in quite handy around election time, when the clever Socialists will promise the government dependents even more unearned fortunes & services, further enslaving them. What motivations do this permanent underclass of dependents have to break free of their chains, & aspire to better their lot in life? I submit none. There will come a time that either they will forget how to motivate themselves, believe that they can't better themselves, or finally settle in the comfort of their position knowing full well that the government will take care of their needs with very little, if anything contributed to earning their livelihood. As the rich get richer, the government taxes/takes a higher percentage of the fruits of their labors to redistribute to the permanent underclass of slaves, artificially keeping them in step with the economy. All the while, there is another class almost completely forgotten. Its the class that won't take from the government, & would rather work for what they get. They are proud & independent. They are the class right between the permanent underclass of slaves, & the rich. They are called the middle class. They are looked down at by the Socialist Politicians, because being that they won't take what the government has to offer, politically they are uncontrollable. In essence they are free people. The Socialist Politicians would do anything they can, & put any obstacle in the way of the middle class in order to cause them to fail & hopefully cause them to finally become part of a permanent underclass perpetually feeding off the labors of the rich, & giving nothing of worth in return. The middle class is ever shrinking because of the enormous pressures always being placed on them by the Socialist Politicians via taxes, inflation, regulation, & finally a failing economy. You can only rob Peter to pay Paul for so long, right up until Peter runs out of available cash. When that happens the Socialist Government collapses in upon itself. Everyone loses, except the Socialist Politician, who always finds a way to squirrel enough away to ride out the storms they cause.

How do we disrupt this cycle? We temporarily give incentives to the middle class & the rich. The middle class so they will work harder & spend more, & the rich so they will create more jobs for the middle class & reinvest in the economy. The hardest nut to crack will be somehow getting the permanent underclass to understand that the free ride is over, that they have been lied to by the politicians, they must join in with the middle class, & see the opportunities that were always there, but out of sight because they were hidden by the Socialist Politicians/government. Eventually, as the prosperity engine starts to run more efficiently, everyone will come to the understanding that even though the rich will get richer---that's a fact of life---they too can share in the wealth of society if they work hard, endure & overcome setbacks, & cast aside the obstacles placed in their way by a lying Socialistic Political machine that is hellbent on enslaving them. If they stick to the basic principals of hard work, & steady ethics, become self-reliant, while at the same time rejecting the Socialistic temptations & lies, they may reap the opportunities & bring success into their lives. Self-reliance can feel very empowering, opening up doors that were always closed to them before. Will they ever be rich? Most probably not, but you never know. If one doesn't try one will never find out. Quitters can be guaranteed only one thing, they will never win. In America anything is possible regardless of the lies the jealous nay-sayers might try to feed them. Misery loves company, & they are quite lonely wallowing in their own self inflicted woes.

I am NOT a Socialist by the way. However it is plain daft to lay the blame at th door of lefties annyway. It is the corrputions of the right over the pond that has created financial mayhem may I remind you. It has been the sheer gall of the ultra rich to live off everyone else, not just make money but do it wrongly. Misues of investments, morgages, loans, shifting money about, hedge funds, crashing banks. None of this is by "Socialists" in America s they don't have a party or powe over there so you are rather off beam. In addition the declkine in America started under a rightist, Republican agenda of the last White House incumbent didn't it? Having no Socilat power in any legislature in America it has been non-Socicalists who did all the money fiddling, misuuse off the financial system, ensure lack of controls, put millions out of their homes, made tens of millions near desitute (and indeed destitute), live on soup kitchens, handouts. Most of them had worked hard been in uniform and sent out to fight, paid their taxes did the right things and have been conned.

So not having any extreme left wing party how do you explain the mess? It is a strongly capitalist and big busines run nation so it is your consitunecy that has laid the basis for the situation you are in. Instead you conjure up mythology about Socialists. If a lot of Americans belive this stuff they must be more juvenile than I thought. So kindly interpret how a party or movement doesn't exist is to blame for you mess??

my my my, the OWS reasons are as valid as me needing my anus.

Interesting you should mention that orifice VirusBoy as that is Smileyface's usual delivery point.

the zionists are doing it on purpose to silence the protesters. that is how it is in america, as well as i am sure everywhere else. the zionists control everyone else, and some people who go against them are silenced, sometimes by death.

Originally posted by fifileigh:

the zionists control everyone else, and some people who go against them are silenced […]

Because they're so much smarter than everyone else? Has it occurred to you that the deficit in intelligence exists because of your lack?
No, of course not. Your IQ is not even a double-digit multiple of your shoe size! (Even if you wear clown shoes, that isn't good… )

Nobody in sympathy with the "People''s Rights Amendment"?
As Jeff Jakoby says,

Like many on the left, [Jim} McGovern has gone batty on the subject of “corporate personhood.” This is a perfectly commonplace, centuries-old legal construct that makes it possible for individuals organized as a group to carry out their affairs effectively. Because corporations are legal “persons,” for example, they can rent property without requiring the signature of every shareholder on every lease. They can be sued in court as single entities, without obliging plaintiffs to go after tens of thousands of individual defendants. They can be taxed. They can enter into contracts. They can register patents.

What infuriates many liberals is that corporations can also express political views, spending money to take sides in contested elections. “Corporations are not people,” scowled McGovern at a Democratic forum last week. “They do not breathe. They do not have children. They do not die in war. They are artificial entities which we the people create and, as such, we govern them, not the other way around.”

So the congressman proposes to strip corporations of all constitutional liberties and guarantees.

McGovern has introduced a “People’s Rights Amendment,” which would explicitly limit all rights protected by the Constitution to “natural persons.” All “corporate entities,” on the other hand, would be subject to any laws and regulations that lawmakers “deem reasonable.” At last week’s forum House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi endorsed the crusade to exclude corporations from the Constitution’s safeguards.
(source)

Perhaps the lack of support is just another symptom of a short attention span… (But where is OWS's patron saint, Elizabeth Warren, on this? She is –after all– a Harvard Law professor! Hm.)

Doubt if it right hoping it is a short attention span when you consider who runs the Hill behind the scenes - the money men.

One wonders why so many "little" men groan and gripe that the world doesn't change to accommodate them… Have they no self-respect?

We've seen this on both sides of the pond: The demand for respect, without any evidence of respectiable behavior. (Not you, RJ. No doubt, you've exhibited mostly respectable behavior your entire life — just not much here in these threads…) Baboons do as much.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Doubt if it right hoping it is a short attention span when you consider who runs the Hill behind the scenes - the money men.

Are you sure???

I'm thinking of something from Star Wars, of all things. It turns out that Luke and Princess Lea can never wed because Darth Vader is their father. Considering-- Darth should have been ashamed of himself for having brought two dim bulbs into the galaxy.

Now, you say the money men are running the Hill. All that money, and they can't produce anything better than this??? For shame.

Well unfortunately mjsmsprt40, hard workers and dutiful folk like you are being taken to the proverbial cleaners by the money mob.They don't really need to worry as they continue to hold the bucks and control strings even when a mess-up is made. Meanwhile the usual vaguness and wordiness of woolly OakdaleFTL does everything but face the situation. Instead he wanders about impressing himself but adding nothing of substance. The charge stands it is just he wants to avoid what the rest of the world sees. Maybe he needs to get out more. Hey, you could give him a hurl in your truck mjsmsprt40 but somehow I think you would be glad when the day is over. Mind you might be too much effort when a chair in a hermit's house is so cumfy?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

....he wants to avoid what the rest of the world sees....

And, who gives a jolly rats sphincter what "the rest of the world sees"???

Through your cataract riddled, yellow hepatitis tinged eyes, even the world couldn't care less.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

...he wanders about impressing himself but adding nothing of substance....

You takin' to yerself again rj????

Sounds so self-descriptive, thought I'd ask.

Personally, I don't mind inequality-----if the fat cat rich get richer, & the disconnected poor get poorer. I only care what's happening in my little corner of the world that I happen to be living in month to month-------economically somewhere between both polls.

I'm not consumed with jealousy like yourself, & I don't envy the rich like you & your OWS troop of slugs, nor do I shutter in deep sorrows for the plight of those who refuse to help themselves, & better their lot in life most all through their own choosing, like the Progressive Far-Left.

For those placed into destitution through no fault of their own, I will be donating my usual 10 to 15% per year to my favorite charities as do many other secure Americans-------that they should eventually find their way back to self-reliance with charitable assistance to temporarily help them along the way .

Well dear terror loving American it is obvious as your personify that those with money over there don't give a damn about those who haven't that emphaises the equality stuff across the pond! If you aren't in the money corner you are sniffed at about being less of an American. What an odd way to work out all those high sounding phrases of the Consitution and what it proclaims to the world at large. If you don't care a fig what the rest of the world thinks why are you lot so keen to have over 200 mitary outposts and bases just about everywhere you can get them? Yet another contradiction. The rest of us would have more of a regard for the place if it lived up to the great enshrined words but it doesn't money is the principle in America. Rights and freedoms are joke words I am afraid. If it isn't trying to control minds with what passes as a media or trying to hamstring the internet or restricting opinions it coule be better said to live up to the claims. You enjoy your comfort and stuff the tens of millins of poor. This includes a diminishing middle class who are normally the mainstay.

(One has to forgive Howie: He lives in a world based on Gilligan's Island… Lord knows what he'd be going on about if he'd not had his Telly!)

Originally posted by rjhowie:

.....yadda......yadda.....yadda..............................yadda.....yadda......yadda.......

Sounds like the same old worn out scratchy record --- --- on, & on, & on.....Déjà vu all over again, & again, & again --- ad nauseum...............

Wake me when he starts singin' a newer tune.....

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Sounds like the same old worn out scratchy record --

you mean like this thread? the only reason that movement died was because the gov't gave enough fear to the masses to do what our founding fathers told us not to do.

Originally posted by Virusboy:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Sounds like the same old worn out scratchy record --

....only reason that movement died was because the gov't gave enough fear to the masses to do what our founding fathers told us not to do.

What? Don't trust anybody over 30?




Riiiiiiihhhhhht....

Interesting reading how Smileyfaze uses the routine, tired childish political stances of what passes for the democratic right in America - whilst accusing others of the very same tstyle himself! The country is run by a small elite that thinks itself above the general population who don't know any better. Simply wave a flag at them and stand tall with a near tear in the eye about saving the world and they are happy! The Republican side in particular is full of money machine men and attracts people of a narrow vision of self-protecting their dolars. Patriotism and lyalty are used to keep the bairns happy. The good signs are that there are ex-Colonists over there who are alive to it but the trouble is not enough of them? I am not sure wheteh Smileyfaze/terorost is insulting our intelligence or is more simple than I thought in fairness.......

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Interesting reading how Smileyfaze uses the routine, tired childish political stances of what passes for the democratic right in America - whilst accusing others of the very same tstyle himself! The country is run by a small elite that thinks itself above the general population who don't know any better. Simply wave a flag at them and stand tall with a near tear in the eye about saving the world and they are happy! The Republican side in particular is full of money machine men and attracts people of a narrow vision of self-protecting their dolars. Patriotism and lyalty are used to keep the bairns happy. The good signs are that there are ex-Colonists over there who are alive to it but the trouble is not enough of them? I am not sure wheteh Smileyfaze/terorost. is insulting our intelligence or is more simple than I thought in fairness.......

Somebody say something important? Nope...

Gotta be careful now, RJ's got frenz in High Places!
Thank goodness he's got a sense of humor, but does she?
............

Back on topic...

I hear tell that Occupy London has promised to completely disrupt the upcoming 2012 Olympic Games through strikes & protests by it's Public Sector Unions.

Has this been verified?

Sounds like war drums to me.

The prime minister seized on Labour leader Ed Miliband's reaction to comments given by Len McCluskey in an interview with the Guardian, in which he said attacks on public sector workers were so deep and ideological that targeting the Games would be justified. McCluskey also urged the public to engage in "all forms of civil disobedience within the law"

The Guardian

What about Anti-Aircraft Missiles on rooftops?

Is this for real, or just another reaction to perceived 2012 London Olympics terrorist activity?

Surface-to-air missiles could be stationed on the rooftops of an apartment block in east London as part of Britain's air defenses for the Olympics...
Around 700 people living at the building in Bow — about 2 miles from London's Olympic Stadium — have been contacted and warned that the weapons and about 10 troops are likely to be based at the site for around two months.
In a leaflet sent to residents, the ministry said the venue offered an uncluttered "view of the surrounding areas and the entire sky above the Olympic park."

The Guardian