Occupy Wall Street protests not valid?

Occupy Wall Street protests not valid?

Is it ok for police to pepper spray peaceful protesters and then walk away?



Oh, and the media hardly covers the protests themselves, much less this so there's only youtube.

Look xyzoneon, democracy and rights along with freedom of expresion have never really existed. They were brained into people to keep them from questioning the right of the financial barons to run the place. Practicing such is a nuisance for them. Kind of bemusing that over 2 centuries ago the elite and money men in the 13 Colonies broke from one aristocracy only to be replaced by a local one! Seems to have taken a long time to have been realised?

It seems fitting in this thread.

Ode To The Welfare State
1949 NY Daily News

Father, must we work to eat?
Oh no my lucky son,
We’re living on easy street with dough from Washington.
We’ve left it up to Uncle Sam; now don’t get exercised.
Nobody has to give a wham, we’ve all been subsidized!

But if Sam treats us all so well, and feeds us milk and honey,
Please tell me, Daddy, where oh where he’s going to get the money?

Don’t worry, son, there ain’t no hitch in this here noble plan;
He simply soaks the filthy rich and helps the common man!

But Daddy, won’t there come a time if we take all their cash,
When they’ll be left without a dime and things will go to smash?

My faith in you is shrinking, son you nosey little brat;
You do too much thinking, boy, to be a Democrat!

Since Obama & the democrat party has embraced the OCCUPY Mobment, rather than calling one location Occupy LA, and another Occupy Portland, and another Occupy San Francisco, and another Occupy Denver, or another--the smallest of the lot--Occupy Las Vegas we should only be calling all these places by a generic name:

OBAMATOWN

After all, Hoover had his Hoovertowns, so being that Obama is climbing steadily up to Herbert Hoover stature, he will always be known as the father of his Class Warfare spawned OCCUPY MOBment, it would only be fitting that he have something named after him to celebrate his prowess.

Noting their amazing architectural genius, to be known from this day forward, forever as OBAMATOWNS.

Originally posted by xyzoneon:

And apparently mayors are conspiring to shut down these protests all around the country, most of them democrats. lol good luck with that voting thing.

Of course, I saw a news story on news.google.com where they deny collusion. I'm not arsed to dig it up now, but I'm sure those stories are easy enough to find.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Of course, I saw a news story on news.google.com where they deny collusion. I'm not arsed to dig it up now, but I'm sure those stories are easy enough to find.

The next Ten years will be bloody

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Look xyzoneon, democracy and rights along with freedom of expresion have never really existed.

If you're correct, than it's high time somebody had the balls to take the rights enshrined in the First Amendment

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

OBAMATOWN

I see what happened. Now nobody gives your establishment sponsored "anti-establishment" rallies any press. You mad, bro?

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

You do too much thinking, boy, to be a Democrat!

Yup, think and you'll never vote GOP, at least this bunch of them anyway. Glad you noticed that, too

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Noting their amazing architectural genius, to be known from this day forward, forever as OBAMATOWNS.

Cute, but what is embracing policies that guarantee the continued flow of capital from the middle-class to the richest 1% but class warfare? Financial equality in society is impossible and not even desirable, but no society has survived this much inequality without a revolution. Not that I'll start it, or even want it; but we're at powder keg moment in our history. Will our "leaders" begin listening to the people before something worse than a bunch of folks camping in the park happens?

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Financial equality in society is impossible and not even desirable,

WHAT??? Why not?

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

but no society has survived this much inequality without a revolution.

Oh, give me a break with the idiotic hyperbole.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

If you're correct, than it's high time somebody had the balls to take the rights enshrined in the First Amendment

If we ever did who ever fought for such.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

After all, Hoover had his Hoovertowns, so being that Obama is climbing steadily up to Herbert Hoover stature, he will always be known as the father of his Class Warfare spawned OCCUPY MOBment, it would only be fitting that he have something named after him to celebrate his prowess.

Noting their amazing architectural genius, to be known from this day forward, forever as OBAMATOWNS.

arrogance now equals ignorance?

Originally posted by fanfaron:

Oh, give me a break with the idiotic hyperbole.

you french?

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Originally posted by xyzoneon:

And apparently mayors are conspiring to shut down these protests all around the country, most of them democrats. lol good luck with that voting thing.

Of course, I saw a news story on news.google.com where they deny collusion. I'm not arsed to dig it up now, but I'm sure those stories are easy enough to find.

I'm sure 'relevant' 'news' are all over newsmax, free republic, wingnut daily and the like. I'm sure OWS is just another step in Obama's plan to outlaw christianity, install the new world order and become dictator of the UN

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Will our "leaders" begin listening to the people before something worse than a bunch of folks camping in the park happens?

Some day the teabaggers who aren't religious nutjobs or on the GOP payroll ( all three of them, just give them time ) will find out they have more in common with OWS than with the Koch brothers.

Originally posted by Virusboy:

you french?

I don't think he is. Most French and read and understand English better than he does Him even saying that indicates that he not only fails to understand English, but doesn't know history either.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

I don't think he is. Most French and read and understand English better than he does Him even saying that indicates that he not only fails to understand English, but doesn't know history either.

But to deny it is needed and happens sounds very french-like. Its that mentality that i had to ask.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Some day the teabaggers who aren't religious nutjobs or on the GOP payroll ( all three of them, just give them time ) will find out they have more in common with OWS than with the Koch brothers.

Strip anyway the nonsense parts of of TP and OWS and it's very apparent there's discontent across the political spectrum, often about the same issues. Of course, people like Fanfaron manage to miss both the forest and trees for the moss. To be fair, he might be sleep posting; here's help for his sleep disorder. I'm so helpful

Originally posted by Macallan:

I'm sure OWS is just another step in Obama's plan to outlaw christianity, install the new world order and become dictator of the UN

You forgot establishing a Communist state along the Stalinist model. Or maybe, in his confusion, establish a Fascist state along the Mussolini model; since Fanfaron managed to equate Democrats with Fascists.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Originally posted by Macallan:

I'm sure OWS is just another step in Obama's plan to outlaw christianity, install the new world order and become dictator of the UN

You forgot establishing a Communist state along the Stalinist model. Or maybe, in his confusion, establish a Fascist state along the Mussolini model; since Fanfaron managed to equate Democrats with Fascists.

Too late, we're already there:

Originally posted by Benito Mussolini:

Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.

Oh goodness, Fanfaron isn't alone is the Democrats=Fascist idiocy. here's another one.

This is why he had to learn his lesson the hard way. Herman Goering was in charge of the Reichswirtschaftministerium (Reich Economics Ministry). The Soviets had 5-year plans. The Nazis went one better and came up with 4-year plans. (Günter Reimann, The Vampire Economy: Doing Business Under Fascism, New York: Vanguard Press, 1939, pp. 125-127).

Oh my, having kind of plan makes one a Fascist or a Communist

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

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I agree errors have been made in the past, but this Administration is the only Administration currently occupying the White House, & the only one that has the ability to affect the polices necessary to change this recessions course.

So yes, I agree with your statement, but today's problems, & why there hasn't been a recovery actively under way, is primarily because of the failed economic policies of today's Administration. The past can't correct squat.

I certainly hope you agree that the bailouts, the stimulus, & the TARP monies were a horrible mistake.

Well this Administration is asking for more of the same.

This Administration's jobs bill was never really taken seriously---by either side---it can't pass because the Senate Majority can't muster up enough votes.

The policy is wrong--throwing good money after bad only succeeds in proving again that the original policy was wrong originally--besides putting each American deeper in debt.

Do you honestly think doing more of the same will resolve the problems, & create jobs?

It's already a proven failure.

Protesting the banks will change nothing, except further entrench the status quo.

The banks will never change their policies voluntarily, you must surely know this.

In order to effectively force the banks to change, you must get the Administration, along with the Congress, to correct the mistakes of the past, & design legitimate policy that will.

That is the only viable option.

Focus all your movement's strengths on the capitol down in Washington D.C., because it is only there that policy to change the status quo exists, & because it is there where present day policy is horribly wrong.

As a citizen of the UK I know much of what you say of events in the US is also true of my country, and I agree with much of your opinion. But I disagree that influencing law makers is a viable way of ending the tyranny of the banks, as politicians, in the UK, US and elsewhere have been bought by big business. Here in Britain they all get given 'jobs' with business that require no work or time and pay rather large sums, making sure politicians run the country for the benefit of the vested interest of those at the top of big business. All politicians are either on the corporate gravy train or hoping to board it, so it's pointless to expect them to ever represent the people.
However, there is another way, look at what happened in Holland,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/mar/27/dutch-bankers-bonuses-axed-by-people-power

“ING customers mobilised on Twitter and other social networks to protest at bonuses paid to bosses at the bank, one of the biggest in the country. The threat of direct action raised the spectre of a partial run on ING, terrifying the Dutch establishment”

And because of that, Boardroom bonuses were stopped, the people who threatened to withdraw their money having got a result,

I'm one of those trying to organise the same thing in the UK, to make the banks afraid of so many withdrawing our money the banks will be made insolvent by a run on their funds, and that would make them negotiate with us, the public. About bankers pay, loans to small businesses, and anything else that concerns us. If you want to choose a name for this, how about capitalism?

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by Benito Mussolini:
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.

Yup, and Fanfaron was silly enough to call regulations to get business out of government Fascism and he he's not alone with that politically and economically retarded notion.

Originally posted by jo15d:

I'm one of those trying to organise the same thing in the UK, to make the banks afraid of so many withdrawing our money the banks will be made insolvent by a run on their funds, and that would make them negotiate with us, the public.

I'm sure that you know we a withdraw your money day here. It didn't make the banks insolvent, but scared the shit out of them to the point where some banks were locking their doors. It did get them to reverse some of their latest round of abuses upon the consumers.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Oh goodness, Fanfaron isn't alone is the Democrats=Fascist idiocy. here's another one.

This is why he had to learn his lesson the hard way. Herman Goering was in charge of the Reichswirtschaftministerium (Reich Economics Ministry). The Soviets had 5-year plans. The Nazis went one better and came up with 4-year plans. (Günter Reimann, The Vampire Economy: Doing Business Under Fascism, New York: Vanguard Press, 1939, pp. 125-127).

Oh my, having kind of plan makes one a Fascist or a Communist

Obviously odd years are communist, even years are nazi

Originally posted by Macallan:

Obviously anyone who has a plan is a dirty commie

were in the 60's again. time for nuke drills and 15 minutes gov't fed fear

Originally posted by Virusboy:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Obviously anyone who has a plan is a dirty commie

were in the 60's again. time for nuke drills and 15 minutes gov't fed fear

In case of a nuclear attack hide under the table.

Originally posted by Macallan:

In case of a nuclear attack hide under the table.

Sir that table doesn't exist.

Originally posted by jo15d:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

[

I agree errors have been made in the past, but this Administration is the only Administration currently occupying the White House, & the only one that has the ability to affect the polices necessary to change this recessions course.

So yes, I agree with your statement, but today's problems, & why there hasn't been a recovery actively under way, is primarily because of the failed economic policies of today's Administration. The past can't correct squat.

I certainly hope you agree that the bailouts, the stimulus, & the TARP monies were a horrible mistake.

Well this Administration is asking for more of the same.

This Administration's jobs bill was never really taken seriously---by either side---it can't pass because the Senate Majority can't muster up enough votes.

The policy is wrong--throwing good money after bad only succeeds in proving again that the original policy was wrong originally--besides putting each American deeper in debt.

Do you honestly think doing more of the same will resolve the problems, & create jobs?

It's already a proven failure.

Protesting the banks will change nothing, except further entrench the status quo.

The banks will never change their policies voluntarily, you must surely know this.

In order to effectively force the banks to change, you must get the Administration, along with the Congress, to correct the mistakes of the past, & design legitimate policy that will.

That is the only viable option.

Focus all your movement's strengths on the capitol down in Washington D.C., because it is only there that policy to change the status quo exists, & because it is there where present day policy is horribly wrong.

As a citizen of the UK I know much of what you say of events in the US is also true of my country, and I agree with much of your opinion. But I disagree that influencing law makers is a viable way of ending the tyranny of the banks, as politicians, in the UK, US and elsewhere have been bought by big business. Here in Britain they all get given 'jobs' with business that require no work or time and pay rather large sums, making sure politicians run the country for the benefit of the vested interest of those at the top of big business. All politicians are either on the corporate gravy train or hoping to board it, so it's pointless to expect them to ever represent the people.
However, there is another way, look at what happened in Holland,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/mar/27/dutch-bankers-bonuses-axed-by-people-power

“ING customers mobilised on Twitter and other social networks to protest at bonuses paid to bosses at the bank, one of the biggest in the country. The threat of direct action raised the spectre of a partial run on ING, terrifying the Dutch establishment”

And because of that, Boardroom bonuses were stopped, the people who threatened to withdraw their money having got a result,

I'm one of those trying to organise the same thing in the UK, to make the banks afraid of so many withdrawing our money the banks will be made insolvent by a run on their funds, and that would make them negotiate with us, the public. About bankers pay, loans to small businesses, and anything else that concerns us. If you want to choose a name for this, how about capitalism?

I don't know about UK, but Americans aren't Dutch. American culture is ravaged by decades of non-education and complacency (and not necessarily by accident). This is why many here believe the only way forward for this country is to get money out of politics. I can tell you that at least half the population is going to believe OWS went away after TV stops mentioning it. Many of these people also thought Dumbya was a good vote. This is the U.S.

Originally posted by By BRETT ZONGKER and JESSICA GRESKO | AP – 1 hr 21 mins ago:

WASHINGTON (AP) — A man with an apparent obsession with President Barack Obama has been arrested in Pennsylvania after the U.S. Secret Service, the presidential bodyguards, discovered two bullets had struck the White House while the president was away, authorities said Wednesday. One bullet smashed into a window of the living quarters of the executive mansion but was stopped by ballistic glass. The arrest of Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez, 21, came days after reports of shots fired on Friday night near the White House while Obama and his wife Michelle were on a trip to California and Hawaii. The president has since traveled on to Australia, second stop on a nine-day Asia-Pacific tour, and the White House had no comment on the unfolding events. The Secret Service said it discovered Tuesday that two bullets had hit the White House. U.S. Park Police had earlier linked Ortega, a 21-year-old man from Idaho Falls, Idaho, to the reports of gunfire. A U.S. Park Police crime bulletin issued before Ortega's arrest said he is known to have mental health issues, adding "Ortega should be considered unstable with violent tendencies." Authorities are investigating his mental health and say there are indications he believed his attack on the White House was part of a personal mission from God, according to a law enforcement official. There also are indications the man had become obsessed with Obama and the White House, according to two officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing. Authorities said the bullets discovered Tuesday by the Secret Service have not been conclusively connected with the reports of gunfire near the White House on Friday night. On Friday, authorities found an abandoned vehicle with an assault rifle inside. Ortega, 21, was arrested Wednesday afternoon at a hotel near Indiana, Pennsylvania, northwest of Washington and some 55 miles (88 kilometers) east of Pittsburgh, the Secret Service said. He was in Pennsylvania State Police custody. A tip from someone who saw and identified Ortega led to his arrest, Secret Service spokesman George Ogilvie said. Ortega did not resist arrest, said Pennsylvania State Trooper Lt. Brad Shields. State troopers said Ortega had visited the hotel in recent days, and investigators believed he was back in the area Wednesday. The Secret Service passed out photographs, and a desk clerk recognized his picture and stalled him while notifying police. Ortega's first court appearance is scheduled Thursday afternoon in Pittsburgh, according to the staff of U.S. Magistrate Judge Cynthia Reed Eddy. Ortega was reported missing Oct. 31 by his family. On Friday morning, he was stopped by police in the Washington suburb of Arlington, Virginia, during an investigation of a report of a suspicious person. Police took photos of him but had no reason to arrest him, Arlington police Lt. Joe Kantor said. A message left for Ortega's mother Wednesday at an Idaho Falls restaurant where she works was not returned. Phone listings for family members in Idaho were disconnected. Ortega has an arrest record in three states but has not been linked to any radical organizations, U.S. Park Police have said. Witnesses on Friday reported hearing shots and seeing two speeding vehicles on Constitution Avenue near the White House. Authorities said they found an abandoned car, with the assault rifle inside, near the Theodore Roosevelt Bridge, which crosses the Potomac River to Virginia. The bullet that hit the White House window was stopped by ballistic glass. The Secret Service didn't disclose the location of the second bullet, saying only that it "was found on the exterior of the White House." Obama and the first lady had traveled without daughters Malia and Sasha on Friday to San Diego, California, en route to Hawaii for a summit, prior to flying to Australia. The White House had no immediate comment on the shooting or who may have been home at the time. On Wednesday, officials took photographs of a window on the executive mansion's south face. The window is in front of the so-called Yellow Oval Room, according to the White House website. That room is in the middle of the family's living quarters on the floor that includes the president's bedroom and the Lincoln Bedroom. In 2010, there were a series of pre-dawn shootings at military buildings in the Washington area, including the Pentagon and the National Museum of the Marine Corps. Police charged a Marine Corps reservist with those shootings early this year. The suspect, Yonathan Melaku of Alexandria, Virginia, remains in custody. In the last shooting at the White House in October 1994, a Colorado man sprayed the mansion with at least 27 semiautomatic rifle bullets from Pennsylvania Avenue in an attempt to assassinate then-President Bill Clinton, who was home at the time. Bystanders subdued the suspect, and no one was injured. Francisco Martin Duran was convicted and sentenced to 40 years in prison for that shooting. The next year, Pennsylvania Avenue was closed to traffic to bolster security. ___ Associated Press writers Jessie Bonner in Boise, Idaho, Joe Mandak in Pittsburgh, Kevin Begos in Indiana, Pa., Matt Apuzzo in Washington and AP photographer Haraz Ghanbari in Washington contributed to this report.

Damn I love our country, when innocent people are accused of not fearing the politicians enough.

Meanwhile, here in Vegas, we continue to show the way In economically ravaged Vegas, Occupy movement remains peaceful as violence spreads elsewhere

The good behavior in Las Vegas and other Occupy efforts across Nevada is even more noteworthy because Nevadans may have the most cause to rage against the machine. The state tops the nation in foreclosures and unemployment and entire neighborhoods have been overtaken by vacant homes and storefronts.

But while protesters in other cities riot and rage, the Vegas group is hosting a series of free foreclosure mediation workshops for homeowners who are underwater on their mortgages.

Organizers insist their anti-greed message has a better chance of spreading if they aren’t labeled violent anarchists.

“It’s a combination of respect for the police and the general public, and it’s a safety issue as well,” said Jim Walsh, an unemployed truck driver volunteering as Occupy Las Vegas’ self-appointed chief of security. “As a group we had voted that we were going to do this with non-violence and so far, not one person in our group has been arrested or sent to the hospital.”

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To avoid similar showdowns or violent outbreaks in Las Vegas, protesters have met weekly with police. They forwarded their plans to police for review, and then tweaked their efforts when police suggested changes. One weekend, police asked if the occupiers could cancel a proposed protest on the Las Vegas Strip because city officials were expecting a large number of visitors. In a rare act of defiance, protesters went forward with the protest anyway — sort of. They moved it to Fremont Street, a smaller tourist haven in downtown Las Vegas.

“It’s the mentality of that group that, ‘we can make a point without being arrested,’” said Lt. Jason Letkiewicz, the staff liaison between the protesters and the Las Vegas police department. “They don’t want to be known as thugs.”

What the article doesn't mean is that MetroPD are notoriously gun-happy, shooting first and asking questions later

Fear that an ugly protest could further hurt Nevada’s wounded economy has also restrained protesters.

“We don’t want to chase tourists away from our city because that’s where a lot of people’s jobs come from,” said David Peter, a union worker active in the Las Vegas movement.

Yup, mindful of not hurting the city's economy further.

But it’s unclear whether the peace pushers will be able to tame the more aggressive voices within the movement forever. A local militant group tried last week to convince the protesters in Las Vegas to arm themselves. Others have simply urged organizers to take a more forceful stand and stop being so darn nice.

Yup, black bloc types rebuffed

Now that our style is finally getting publicity, it can be exported as successful model of protest that keeps public goodwill

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Originally posted by jo15d:

I'm one of those trying to organise the same thing in the UK, to make the banks afraid of so many withdrawing our money the banks will be made insolvent by a run on their funds, and that would make them negotiate with us, the public.

I'm sure that you know we a withdraw your money day here. It didn't make the banks insolvent, but scared the shit out of them to the point where some banks were locking their doors. It did get them to reverse some of their latest round of abuses upon the consumers.

I saw the video here of two women who tried to close their accounts at Bank of America and got thrown out, and the cops were called. But have there been any attempts to organize a full blown run on a bank in the US? I'm in need of of advice on how to get something like that going in the UK, as a run is the only thing that frightens banks.

Originally posted by Virusboy:

arrogance now equals ignorance?

Only from your lips, 'boy, only from your lips!

Originally posted by jo15d:

I saw the video here of two women who tried to close their accounts at Bank of America and got thrown out, and the cops were called. But have there been any attempts to organize a full blown run on a bank in the US? I'm in need of of advice on how to get something like that going in the UK, as a run is the only thing that frightens banks.

Don' t know how it went on 5th of November, but prior to that almost a million people moved their accounts out of the big banks to alternative banks & credit unions.

See my post here.

To be effective, it would have had to be over 25% of all accounts---between 50 to 90 million transfers.

Personally, I don't have more than a few dollars in any bank.

Hard currency (precious metals) is the way to go.

I do cash only (well mostly 98%+) on face to face transactions.

Always have, always will.

Don't want high gas prices, get 25+% of your neighbors, fellow citizens, acquaintances, friends not to buy any except on one day a week.

Don't like the price of anything, just withhold purchases in large numbers, things will change....guaranteed.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

To be effective, it would have had to be over 25% of all accounts---between 50 to 90 million transfers.

Another arbitrary number pulled out the GOP's ass? Guess what, it WAS effective and caused banks to reverse their policies.

Now to be fair, those weren't the only customer Bank of America lose, as reported here .

"What is not being reported," the insider says, "is that this consideration is not due to the Occupy movements throughout the US, but rather a mass exodus of existing customers coupled with a significant drop in new account openings. A good amount of execs were sequestered into a conference room for a couple of days last week, and it resembled a war room preparing for a mini Armageddon."

All told, BofA is on track to lose 10.3% of its customers in the next 12 months.

Originally posted by jo15d:

But have there been any attempts to organize a full blown run on a bank in the US?

There haven't been any full-on 1930's style run-ons that I know about, instead it was individuals and small groups going in at once. It was organized through the social networks and in the communities.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

.....caused banks to reverse their policies.

Before you accuse anyone of pulling anything out their ass, bend-over sonny & start grabbin'.....


Ok, now what caused what banks to reverse what policies?

Were these rumored or so called 'policy reversals' you speak of policies that were to be implemented, & now won't be implemented, or ones that were already in existence, & because of OWS's extreme pressures were fearfully withdrawn?

Let's take Bank of America for example (your example).

Which, if any, of these numerous Bank of America account fees were reversed----again, if any?

'Coon.......Where's the Beef?

The only fee I can find that was somewhat alluded to was a proposed debit card fee?

Again 'Coon, which, if any, of these numerous account fees were reversed----again, if any?


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So, 'Coon......WHERE's the BEEF?

You seem to want to claim that some extraordinary OWS effort---which if it is that what your are claiming, it would be a blatant lie & total distortion of facts--- or some OWS incited actions to bring the big banks to their trembling little knees that was EFFECTIVE?.

Without straying from the facts as you have so often, how can you legitimately rate OWS's effectiveness in reversing any bank policies whatsoever?????

CUNA had said that more than 650,000 consumers opened new accounts at credit unions in the weeks leading up to Bank Transfer Day and that 40,000 more did Saturday, accounting for $80 million in new savings deposits that day alone.

Not exactly a groundswell, but a fair start.

Oh, & none of it was due to any OWS action at all.

Now, as I stated earlier, if 70,000,000 consumers would do the same as the 700,000 did earlier (about 25%) then that would really have an affect on bank policy.

Somehow I doubt shitting on the side of a police car will have that motivating affect on 70,000,000 people---but hey, continue by all means---ya might be on to something earth-shattering!


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The violent face of Occupy Seattle!

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

There haven't been any full-on 1930's style run-ons that I know about, instead it was individuals and small groups going in at once. It was organized through the social networks and in the communities.

Due to the "credit crisis" there won't be one.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Ok, now what caused what banks to reverse what policies?

Were these rumored or so called 'policy reversals' you speak of policies that were to be implemented, & now won't be implemented, or ones that were already in existence, & because of OWS's extreme pressures were fearfully withdrawn?

Let's take Bank of America for example (your example).

Which, if any, of these numerous Bank of America account fees were reversed----again, if any?

'Coon.......Where's the Beef?

The only fee I can find that was somewhat alluded to was a proposed debit card fee?

Again 'Coon, which, if any, of these numerous account fees were reversed----again, if any?

now your talking out the ass. no one mention any fee not being removed. (Fail 1)

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

You seem to want to claim that some extraordinary OWS effort---which if it is that what your are claiming, it would be a blatant lie & total distortion of facts--- or some OWS incited actions to bring the big banks to their trembling little knees that was EFFECTIVE?.

Without straying from the facts as you have so often, how can you legitimately rate OWS's effectiveness in reversing any bank policies whatsoever?????

CUNA had said that more than 650,000 consumers opened new accounts at credit unions in the weeks leading up to Bank Transfer Day and that 40,000 more did Saturday, accounting for $80 million in new savings deposits that day alone.

It has been stated by both sides that the real reason for OWS is unclear, so being smart, one would understand that the group responsible would tell everyone they know, then those people would pass it on. (Fail 2)

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Not exactly a groundswell, but a fair start.

Oh, & none of it was due to any OWS action at all.

Now, as I stated earlier, if 70,000,000 consumers would do the same as the 700,000 did earlier (about 25%) then that would really have an affect on bank policy.

Somehow I doubt shitting on the side of a police car will have that motivating affect on 70,000,000 people---but hey, continue by all means---ya might be on to something earth-shattering!

OWS never was given true credit, so misplacing such would be rude. (Fail 3)
What and where are you getting the figures from. How does 700,000 of 70,000,000 = 25%? (Doing the math 25% of 70,000,000 = 17,500,000, Fail 4)
Some how I doubt making figures up makes, so by all means, be an accountant.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by jo15d:

I saw the video here of two women who tried to close their accounts at Bank of America and got thrown out, and the cops were called. But have there been any attempts to organize a full blown run on a bank in the US? I'm in need of of advice on how to get something like that going in the UK, as a run is the only thing that frightens banks.

Don' t know how it went on 5th of November, but prior to that almost a million people moved their accounts out of the big banks to alternative banks & credit unions.

See my post here.

To be effective, it would have had to be over 25% of all accounts---between 50 to 90 million transfers.

Personally, I don't have more than a few dollars in any bank.

Hard currency (precious metals) is the way to go.

I do cash only (well mostly 98%+) on face to face transactions.

Always have, always will.

Don't want high gas prices, get 25+% of your neighbors, fellow citizens, acquaintances, friends not to buy any except on one day a week.

Don't like the price of anything, just withhold purchases in large numbers, things will change....guaranteed.

It's a start, I hope withdrawals increase. I've seen instances where such action by ordinary people has worked in the UK. Like the Poll Tax at the beginning of the nineties, a tax deliberately designed to tax average earners to an extroadinary degree. It had to be repealed as so many refused to pay it there wasn't enough prisons to put them all in, so end of tax. And here in Yorkshire, when the water company announced it would cut the water supply, area by area, on a rota, to save it money, so many of us said we wouldn't pay our water tax, they gave in.
So community action can get results, if enough people do it.

You seem to have overlooked that there was a run on Northern Rock jo15d.

In Glasgow we had about 2 dozen campoing out (well in daylight hours!) in George Square outside the City Chambers building but didn't stir up much. Although a woman got sadly raped. The City Council negoiated with the wee handful of protestors who agreed to get up sticks and move somewhere else. They agreed on Kevingrove Park. In due course they were allowed to march the mile or so and pitch there. Then the nice City Council put a fence up round the place, provided portable lavatories and arc lights (costing £160 a week to run). However now local residents are complaining about the eye-sore in their area and formed an ant-camp lot and objected to taxes being used!

Originally posted by jo15d:

It's a start, I hope withdrawals increase..........So community action can get results, if enough people do it.

I completely agree, providing the action is properly organized, & the follow up results are displayed with vivid credibility so those that need to take notice completely understand the power behind the action(s), & the ramifications of any future ill conceived policies.

Good Luck!

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

I completely agree, providing the action is properly organized, & the follow up results are displayed with vivid credibility so those that need to take notice completely understand the power behind the action(s), & the ramifications of any future ill conceived policies.

Good Luck!

Yeah. The bank said basically "Well that's what happens with government interference "and tried blame it on it on Congress. That ship don't sail if you get enough informed customers to say "No..." People (except Fanfaron) now understand that when the banks behave badly, it's the banks responsibility and you can't just be blame everything on the "gubberment."

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Somehow I doubt shitting on the side of a police car will have that motivating affect on 70,000,000 people---but hey, continue by all means---ya might be on to something earth-shattering!

You say this and mock even as BofA shit its pants, dude. The "war room preparing for a mini Armageddon" was to prevent those types of numbers from happening. You don't have to generate those kinds of numbers, you just need the threat and potential for it. That's what your right-wing talk radio doesn't tell you and you don't have the brains to figure out. on your own. I guess radio or some other other right-wing media is where you came up with those numbers from, since you don't have any way to back it up. Anyway, all the trolling in the world can't change what's happened and what will continue to happen.

I know what happened, I don't even have to ask it anymore. You're mad, bro. The TP devolved into something for obsequious GOP politicians to grub to and was never able to pull anything like a bank transfer day or anything else useful.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

In due course they were allowed to march the mile or so and pitch there. Then the nice City Council put a fence up round the place, provided portable lavatories and arc lights (costing £160 a week to run). However now local residents are complaining about the eye-sore in their area and formed an ant-camp lot and objected to taxes being used!

Just have the Occupiers pay for their own lights and what not like we do in Vegas. They can come up 160 a week, no worries. Like the article said, we pay rent on our vacant lot near the airport and have no problems with the locals, tourists, nor even MetroPD. About the eye-sore bit, there was somebody trolling you some months back that claimed you were some kind of alderman or something (as he viciously personally attacked you, even if most of the time you have a pretty thick skin about that sort of thing.) If that's true, maybe there's a vacant lot that can be suggested for them. They don't need to be a residential neighborhood.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

You say this and mock even as BofA shit its pants, dude. The "war room preparing for a mini Armageddon" was to prevent those types of numbers from happening. You don't have to generate those kinds of numbers, you just need the threat and potential for it. That's what your right-wing talk radio doesn't tell you and you don't have the brains to figure out. on your own. I guess radio or some other other right-wing media is where you came up with those numbers from, since you don't have any way to back it up. Anyway, all the trolling in the world can't change what's happened and what will continue to happen.I know what happened, I don't even have to ask it anymore. You're mad, bro. The TP devolved into something for obsequious GOP politicians to grub to and was never able to pull anything like a bank transfer day or anything else useful.

Nothing, no nothing that the OWS band of scruffy lil unwashed malcontents did or didn't do had any effect on the banking decisions made or actions taken, & no matter how hard you wish it, it can never be so.

But your so entranced with your own hyperbole, entrails, & crayon signs to see that!

Now, off to your lil room to sulk sonny,

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http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-16-2011/occupy-wall-street-divided?xrs=share_copy

Good thing the didn't originate bank transfer day, oh, wait, they did .

Listen to the Wall Street Journal Cry, Credit Unions Poach Clients Oddly, the little video by Fox has it right at about 1:30, consumers have been paying the exchange fee this whole time with a little extra added to the cost of each purchase. The banks were overcharging the merchants (studies have found that it certainly does not cost the banks 44 cents per debit card transaction, hence why there can be a cap. The money the banks would be "losing" was just extraneous profit), therefore the merchants had to pass on the costs to consumers. Whose side are you on anyway, Smiley? The banks or the consumers or are merely a reactionary against anything the OWS gets involved in? If it's the later, I can pull your strings just like a puppeteer just like I can Fanfaron.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-16-2011/occupy-wall-street-divided?xrs=share_copy

You do understand The Daily Show is a political satire show, right? Didn't think you did. The GOP does have issues like that Like you, yourself said, if you think to much you won't vote GOP. Thanks for the comedy break, though Samantha, of course, was playing the part of the clueless MSM that didn't understand the Deutsche Bank was being occupied. :pets SF on the head:

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Whose side are you on anyway, Smiley? The banks or the consumers or are merely a reactionary against anything the OWS gets involved in?

I'm neither for the banks or the consumers.

I don't believe in the trash being spewed by the OWS who want to do anything, except work hard, for what they want handed to them as if they might have a right to what somebody else earned. Income redistribution is the equivalent of thievery.

I believe in a free market.

Those too stupid to invest properly, follow up on their investments, & protect themselves, deserve what they end up with. That's part of adulthood, & personal responsibility.

I find it better to lock my front door, rather than leaving it wide open to thieves.

A thief is a thief is a thief, & will always be a thief.

If the government allows the banks to be thieves, then they will be thievish.

It's a part of human nature that can't be overlooked. It must be kept in check. You hire a Government to do that for you.

If the government has given the keys to your front door to the banks, then it's up to you to make sure you either change the locks, or force the government to get your keys back.

After all they work for you. You make the government change it's policy on how it hands out keys & to whom.

That's called personal responsibility.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Whose side are you on anyway, Smiley? The banks or the consumers or are merely a reactionary against anything the OWS gets involved in?

I'm neither for the banks or the consumers.

Bingo.

By the way, a PR guy weighs in:

The movement’s PR efforts drew derision from Fraser P. Seitel, managing partner of Emerald Partners and author of The Practice of Public Relations. OWS, he says, has “botched an opportunity to capture public opinion and achieve something. Americans, by every measure, distrust the politicians who run Washington and lead major institutions. So public opinion was ripe for the plucking.”

However, the movement blew it by having no overriding purpose, stated goals, or visible leadership, he says, and it is increasingly perceived as a bunch of publicity-hungry complainers intent on disrupting others who are making a living.

“Occupy Wall Street is right about one thing,” he says. “The whole world is watching. And it’s generally repulsed by what it’s seen.”

Yep. Bingo again. And I toooooold ya so.

But this guy is no doubt a tool of corporations and one of the 1% and should be ignored.

Well yes I do hold a public office Sanguinemoon and equally a thick skin (needed here!), but you are right about these people depositing themselvs in a nice west end park in a nice area. People don't go into a park to see a misfit dump paid for from their City council taxes. Even more so as these are graded. The same Council likes to moan about costs from groups they don't like. It is a ridculous situation. Bad enough in the city centre but also now in a distinctive park at Kelvingrove next the world famous Kelvingrove Art Galleries & Musem, etc.

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Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

It seems fitting in this thread.

Ode To The Welfare State
1949 NY Daily News

Father, must we work to eat?
Oh no my lucky son,
We’re living on easy street with dough from Washington.
We’ve left it up to Uncle Sam; now don’t get exercised.
Nobody has to give a wham, we’ve all been subsidized!
!

Forgive me Smileyfaze for abreviating your poem, but what I've quoted makes your point.
Firstly let me say I don't know enough about welfare in the US to make an informed comment on it, but what I do know, as I read the business press, is that the cost to your country of bailing out Wall Street dwarfs total welfare payments. Millionaires and billionaires in the finance industry are gorging themselves on taxpayer dollars, just as in the UK, and that is the overiding economic issue. If welfare in the US is to generous, then sure it needs to be corrected, but the priority is to end the grand scale robbery by bankers and the like. And you better act fast, as we are seeing the beginning of the end of the US as an economic super power, as its economic arteries are sucked dry by the financial vampires of Wall street.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You seem to have overlooked that there was a run on Northern Rock jo15d.

Which makes my point, Northern Rock having to be rescued by the government. It would have collapsed at some point anyway, as the cheap credit its business plan depended on had dried up, but the run on it's deposits confirmed that there isn't a bank in the world that can survive that.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by jo15d:

It's a start, I hope withdrawals increase..........So community action can get results, if enough people do it.

I completely agree, providing the action is properly organized, & the follow up results are displayed with vivid credibility so those that need to take notice completely understand the power behind the action(s), & the ramifications of any future ill conceived policies.

Good Luck!

They maybe doing just that in Ireland, have a look here,

Irish mortgage strike?

Irish banks, bailed out by the taxpayer, and of course allowed to keep their bonuses, are taking an unflinchingly hard line with people who are behind with mortgage payments. So, those people have organised and demanded the banks negotiate with them, or there'll be a mortgage strike. Way to go!

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Good thing the didn't originate bank transfer day, oh, wait, they did .

Listen to the Wall Street Journal Cry,

I liked this bit,

"Some bankers complain that credit unions have outgrown their status as a lender of last resort to poor and rural communities and should be forced to pay taxes just like for-profit banks.
"At a time when state and local governments are struggling with lower revenue, why should some of these credit unions be subsidized if they are not going to provide those services?" said David Locke, chief executive of McFarland State Bank in McFarland, Wis. The bank has about $500 million in assets but is having trouble competing with nearby credit unions, he added"

Apart from that it shows CU's are making an impact in your country, it is truly amazing that someone from the banking industry, which has just had the biggest subsidy in history, has the nerve to call CU's unfair competition!

Originally posted by jo15d:

Irish banks, bailed out by the taxpayer, and of course allowed to keep their bonuses, are taking an unflinchingly hard line with people who are behind with mortgage payments. So, those people have organised and demanded the banks negotiate with them, or there'll be a mortgage strike. Way to go!

I understand & agree with the principal, but wouldn't the strike---once ended---just have the arrears interest portion merely added to the tail end of the interest portion of the mortgage thus making say $3,000 of interest in arrears blow out to many thousands more than $3,000 over the remaining term of the mortgage due to compounding?

Unlike here in the USA, I believe there in the UK almost all mortgages are of the variable rate type, no?

Here in the USA 80% + of all mortgages are the fixed rate type, where a borrower of say $100,000 today who gets a rate of 7.00% over 30 years would pay $665.00 a month each & every month for 360 months....never increasing, nor decreasing for any reason whatsoever. Except for -- see below***

The banks can't raise his payments even one dollar over 30 years.

The borrower may be making 5x his salary in say 20 years, & inflation could be to the moon, but 20 years from now he'd still be paying that exact same $665.00 as from day one.

Now, this borrowers total payback figure would be 360months x $665.00 or $239,400 for that $100,000 fixed 7.00% rate loan at the end of 30 years.

Not a penny more, & he knew that from day one.

*** Now, if he missed payments along the way, the interest would be added later on, & if there are any penalties to be added too only then will the final figure of $239,400 increase to say arbitrarily to $247,000, which would all be due to how mortgage interest is compounded. The payoff time may have also increased a year or so too.

If things are the same there, & compounding interest usually is universal, I'd hope those taking on to this strike would be aware.

Be careful.

Originally posted by Muttsfan:

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Is it just me or does he look a bit like Augusto Pinochet?