New branch

Dear Developers,

The Opera browser looks like a monster. A lot of years ago, it was the fastest browser, which first made multitabs and the other features. Nowadays, the browser has a lot of things that isn't needed by the browser - mail, extensions, widgets (what is the difference?) and the other stuff. Now Opera shares the first place with Chrome browser.

I think we should distinguish the purposes of the browser. Right now, the Opera browser doesn't correspond to the browser's requirements - Opera interprets even javascripts in a psychodelic way. Opera doesn't answer the purpose of rss reader - there are the troubles with import/export of the messages after the upgrading (the #opera channel's operators told me to install ####fox).

I suggest dividing into two branches: the Opera browser and the Opera Desktop Internet Suite. The latter should have all things that Opera has right now. The former should have only multitabs and mouse gestures (and it must show the internet pages correctly without rain dances!).

With all respect

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Please read the Opera Lite thread, especially Haavard's post a few down.

The fact is, Opera continues to get faster with each new version, and the download is smaller than some earlier versions, in spite of the added features. What we need is more features, but they should be carefully integrated into the browser, reusing existing code in a way that does not make it bloated, or impact on performance.

I am still waiting for FTP upload and a few other useful features in Opera Heavy.

The difference between widgets and extensions is that the former will remain running even when Opera is not running. Extensions are easy to install, can check for updates automatically, and add more functionality for those who want it. Both are entirely optional.

100% agreed with what Pesala says.

Originally posted by Divayth:

Right now, the Opera browser doesn't correspond to the browser's requirements

You cannot define a browser's requirements and if you can then they still keep on changing very frequently. There is no perfect browser in the world. Every browser has bugs. See Mozilla Bugzilla and there are tonnes of bugs that have not been fixed yet. Google also has dozens of security flaws and bugs that are fixed with every release. I do not use commonly read about IE and Safari but I know they have their own set of lacked features. And Opera can't be an exception too and I agree that even Opera has bugs, lacked features and much more like every other browser.

Originally posted by Divayth:

looks like a monster

Opera default chrome default ... I don't see much difference there.

Originally posted by Divayth:

The Opera browser looks like a monster.

This is useless trolling.

Nowadays, the browser has a lot of things that isn't needed by the browser - mail, extensions, widgets (what is the difference?) and the other stuff.

Opera always had that, so you are contradicting yourself.

Right now, the Opera browser doesn't correspond to the browser's requirements

I don't think you are the universal authority who gets to define browser requirements.

Opera interprets even javascripts in a psychodelic way.

Useless trolling again. You clearly know nothing about JavaScript.

Opera doesn't answer the purpose of rss reader - there are the troubles with import/export of the messages after the upgrading (the #opera channel's operators told me to install ####fox).

The purpose of an RSS reader is to read RSS, right? So why are you talking about import and export? Trolling again.

And stop lying about the Opera channel. Just more trolling.

I suggest dividing into two branches:

How would that solve any of your non-problems? In fact, even if your trolling was based on real problems, how would this change anything?

Originally posted by eil:

i mean- does anyone really believes that if he didn't upload any extensions/widgets, that part of Opera core that is done for them won't use resources?!

Srsly, do you have any clue about programming?
1) Lazy loading
2) extensions and widgets use html and javascript, so the stuff they need is already there because you need it to display websites anyhow
3) access rights are different, but that should be handled through a derived subclass (_should_ as in: best practice) which grants different rights than normal js -> also no inpact on normal code execution and won't be loaded until eg. widgets are initialized.

PS:

Originally posted by eil:

i remember a good approach to this "problem" somewhere at about version 11 - Unite was to be downloaded after first use

as far as i remember this was about the default apps being downloaded, not unite itself.

Browser :
Installer / Installed

Chrome (Web browser) :
31.2 Mo / 73.2 Mo

Firefox (Web browser + RSS client) :
15.2 Mo / 34.6 Mo

Opera (Web browser + RSS/IMAP/POP/SMTP/Newsgroup client + Bittorent client + IRC client + Opera features = Full Internet Suite) :
9.9 Mo / 33.0 Mo

Even with a lot more features, Opera is not heavier than Chrome or Firefox.
When you do not use those features, no resource are taken by them.

So there is no need to have two different branches.

I’ve got the PM, that I was trolling here. The chat looks like kind of that. But I wrote what I thought.

Guys! I’m right. Opera isn’t a browser, it’s an Internet Suite. My question is “what is the reason?”. Why do the developers stuff into that Internet Suite more and more unnecessary things? How many people use Opera Unite? How many people use the extensions? And for what – to see the clocks in the Speed Dial page?

earth01, the installer and the installed size don’t mean anything. The main thing is the size of the process in the RAM. Opera caught FF up and it seems that the developers try to overtake it.

Slamdex, if I was a troll, you have swallowed a gudgeon. It’s not necessary to be a talent programmer to see the increasing amount of weird features of the program.

According to the second post, the users bring up the question a lot of times. Is it the time to consider the request?

Useless trolling again. You clearly know nothing about JavaScript.

Slamdex, Opera doesn't show mail.google.com and google docs doesn't work.

Opera 10.50. (I don't update Opera to the next version, if I'm not shure that it's safe. Opera 9.x destroeyd the russian localization, 10.x destroyed all my mail.).

Blame Google, not Opera.

Originally posted by Divayth:

Guys! I’m right. Opera isn’t a browser, it’s an Internet Suite.

Exactly. And changing that wouldn't make Opera faster or use less resources or anything like that.

And by default, Opera is just a simple browser. You have to activate things like the email client before it shows up.

Why do the developers stuff into that Internet Suite more and more unnecessary things?

Who are you to decide what's necessary and what isn't? You don't represent other people.

The main thing is the size of the process in the RAM.

You still don't get it even after multiple people have explained it to you? The email client isn't taking up any RAM if you aren't actually using it. If the browser is using a lot of RAM because of some site, removing email wouldn't magically make the browser part use less.

According to the second post, the users bring up the question a lot of times. Is it the time to consider the request?

It has been considered by Opera, and rejected. Did you even bother to read a single reply anyone wrote? Pesala linked to all the information you need in the first reply you got!

Opera doesn't show mail.google.com and google docs doesn't work.

Both Google Mail and Google Docs work here, but that's not really relevant now is it? Broken sites aren't going to magically start working if Opera is split up.