Son Of Hamas leader speaks out and endangers his life

A very remarkable interview and what he says is direct in it's simplicity of message and understanding. He is spot on.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-mosab-yousef-saga-did-hamas-‘defector’-dupe-all-of-us/?singlepage=true

There might be another side to this story. Give it a skim.

"Mosab did not convert to what the West would recognize as Christianity, but to a fiery, Palestinian brand of the faith that is vehemently anti-Israel. According to Mosab, his main goal in coming to the U.S. is to infiltrate the main source of international support for Israel: the American church. From an interview with Al-Arabiya:

During my tours in universities and even churches, [I found] the real support for Israel stems from the church in the West. … We need to understand the difference between “revenge” and “resistance” and once the Palestinians do, we will have our victory against Israel."

That is, unless Walid Shoebat himself is the fraud.

Infiltrate the land which has it's string spulled by Israel, funds it and Congress with a massive Jewish lobby hand up it? Heavens!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Infiltrate the land which has it's string spulled by Israel, funds it and Congress with a massive Jewish lobby hand up it? Heavens!

I think you'll find it's a little more complex than that.

In his new book, Prophets of War (Nation), Hartung exposes the myriad of connections – mostly fiscal, often human – between the U.S. government and its most favored firm, the Lockheed Martin Corporation, which he claims consistently pushes for overpriced and unnecessary defense programs. Lockheed Martin, the country’s top contractor, spent 15 million dollars in campaign contributions and lobbying last year and its top staff have filled key positions in both the George W. Bush and Barack Obama administrations.

The second largest recipient is....drumrollllllll...Egypt!

Locally, politicians pull strings for "defense" contractors for reasons easily understood. We got into this game by playing nanny to Europe in WWII and thereafter. Would that we'd been wiser, damned idiots that we are. Europe could have taken care of Herr Hitler without us. The U.K. Was well on the way to doing just that.

Oh it always more complex than that when you remind who runs most of the media and effects policy so much in America. Just think of the influence they have in the finacial world as well and the very neat trick they use of using the Biblical right fanatics regarding Israel.

how many nations, if in Isreals shoes would do otherwise? Lets face facts isreal has more enemies than anyother nation except uncle sam who seems bent on inheriting most of isreal enemies. The difference is the isrealies are surounded by enemies at everywhere. They have to defend themselves for heavens sakes. If they have to do it by holding a strong influence on american policies so be it. If there enemies can't so be it. If the arabs dont want to play it fair do you expect the isrealis to? jews have been important in the development of uncle sam's house. While some enemies of isreal have been responsible for the reverse. Its like a game of chess, the isrealis are better in it

Touch naiviety there jonogaziechi.

The Jews uniltarally took land and declared themslves a Stae willy-nilly - and that after operating vicious terror gangs as bad as Hammas, etc. Amazing how memories overlook such? The hundreds of thousands of Arabs were disposessed of land they had lived on for generations. After the 6 days war and folloiwng they stole even more land and built on it and are still doing it. Even today on the West Bank and in East Jerusalem people are evicted. Kind of reminds me of a European nation that wanted to expand and took over land around it to do so? But one supposes that the jackboots of an Israeli combatant is a more principled footprint? So having created ths situation themselves they have been surround by enemies. They have their State so what damn right have they and their American lackeys to deny the Palestinians theirs??

Israel time after time has ignored the Un and can always depend on their US paymasters to have the veto. Remember this that Israel cannot exist either militarily or even as a sovereign State without the handout from Washington DC. I might have been near considering a State if it had been fair and the Palestinians at the same time back in 1948 but that hasn't happened. The Jews think they can get away with anything using history for their inglorious ends. Their own version of the Gestapo know as Mossad abuses the hospitality of even countries friendly towards it to seek revenge on their enemies. Stealing identities and passports etc in their vile ends. Israel has encouraged more immigrants over the years so they can extend their version of the Reich in the ME. Wise up.

did isreal start the 6 days war? No, but they sure won it. As for the extra land... There's something called 'the spoils of war' just a reminder that they aren't the lots to mess with. As for mossad we all know the CIA and MI6 have done far worse. using a few british passports to eliminate an dangerous enemy isn't that awful compaired to CIA rendition camps aided by their british lap dogs sorry i meant counterpart MI5 or is it MI6...an issue of the kettle and the pot..

Originally posted by rjhowie:

They have their State so what damn right have they and their American lackeys to deny the Palestinians theirs??

The right of superior firepower or distilled even further "Might makes right".
Sad... but true.

I have found that in discussion of the middle east the words of my father come back to me:
There are 3 states of affairs, there is right, there is wrong, there is real. Hope for what is right, condemn what is wrong, but you better damn well deal with what is real.

this is what I think is real:
Israel..aggressive..a pariah country in the region.. stole land, continue to do so..right of conquest..has right to defend itself..yep all true.
US empowers and enables ...neuters the UN..politicians in the pocked of Israeli lobby ..yep all true
Arab activities exasperate the situation and do nothing to resolve it .. commit aggressive and terrorist acts..have moral high ground in some scenarios (sans the terrorism of course)..state sponsored terrorism..religiously motivated..yep true that

The problems of the middle east will only be addressed when the moral grandstanding is done and the real is addressed.
These issues are not going to go away until at least some of the truths above are addressed.

If it seems like I am on both sides of the fence here, it's cause I am.. I really see both sides of this.

Originally posted by laujustice:

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Nothing new here.. Robert Spenser has been preaching this message at http://www.jihadwatch.org/ for a long time.
Wonder how long before a fatwa is declared on this guy.

Islam religion of peace? Only those that know nothing about Islam or who take their opinions from television think that.

You are obviously an Islrael apologist johnogaziechi. Tell me where I am wrong in my historical appraisal of Israel? You neatly blame the Arabs for the 6 Day War which was something coming for a long time. That you choose to ignore the history which led up to that is obvious. My only disappointment is that the Arabs weren't more organised to do them in back then. And even if that scenario looked likely their paymasters over the pond would have stepped in. If you are so proud of Israel and what it has done then let it stop being funded by the US and let's see how long it lasts?!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You are obviously an Islrael apologist johnogaziechi. Tell me where I am wrong in my historical appraisal of Israel? You neatly blame the Arabs for the 6 Day War which was something coming for a long time. That you choose to ignore the history which led up to that is obvious. My only disappointment is that the Arabs weren't more organised to do them in back then. And even if that scenario looked likely their paymasters over the pond would have stepped in. If you are so proud of Israel and what it has done then let it stop being funded by the US and let's see how long it lasts?!

as long as it takes sir. have you asked yourself what the US gains from isreal?

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

as long as it takes sir. have you asked yourself what the US gains from isreal?

Fine question Johnogaziechi!

I will venture a guess.. I do not believe that US government officials (at least at higher levels) can get elected without the support of the Jewish Lobby, perhaps that is why both McCain and Obama kissed the Wailing Wall.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You are obviously an Islrael apologist johnogaziechi. Tell me where I am wrong in my historical appraisal of Israel? You neatly blame the Arabs for the 6 Day War which was something coming for a long time. That you choose to ignore the history which led up to that is obvious. My only disappointment is that the Arabs weren't more organised to do them in back then. And even if that scenario looked likely their paymasters over the pond would have stepped in. If you are so proud of Israel and what it has done then let it stop being funded by the US and let's see how long it lasts?!

6 day war... the arabs attacked... BUT they were trying to take back their land..land they stole from someone eles..etc. A true student of history of the region will see that the crusades, albeit in a new form, are still being fought there. If you want to understand you have to get medieval. Started long before WWII.

Originally posted by jamestflowers:

Originally posted by johnogaziechi:

as long as it takes sir. have you asked yourself what the US gains from isreal?

Fine question Johnogaziechi!

I will venture a guess.. I do not believe that US government officials (at least at higher levels) can get elected without the support of the Jewish Lobby, perhaps that is why both McCain and Obama kissed the Wailing Wall.

people like rj fail to understand that US-Isreal relationship is symbiotic not parasitic..... The jews are quite a powerful lot in america well placed to in influencing us policies..

Israel did not steal nor is she still stealing land. Israel is just claiming the land God gave them. Nothing more!

Originally posted by greatgeoff:

Israel did not steal nor is she still stealing land. Israel is just claiming the land God gave them. Nothing more!

i'd secretly agree with you on that you didn't have to be so direct tho' this would'nt go down well with the atheist majority.

Originally posted by greatgeoff:

Israel did not steal nor is she still stealing land. Israel is just claiming the land God gave them. Nothing more!

Being a Buddhist myself, that logic is a bit underwhelming; however, the sentiment behind is is another of the "real" issues that I spoke about in my earlier post. Certainly has to be considered if any real solution is going to come.

What utter baloney there from greatgeoff. God said they would lose out their Promised Land but didn't say they would get it back. Israel is belligerent, a thief, a deeply divided country and a danger.

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Honestly I think it is a bit of both symbiotic in some areas and parasitic in others. I personally do not care for the amount of influence Israel has on American foreign policy or for that matter the amount of influence America has on Israel foreign policy.. rj might consider that it really does work both ways..I have seen America tie Israels hands as well as America perform acts that were more in Israels interest than our own. We, the US, have a tangled alliance with Israel something which our founding fathers specifically warned us not to do.

Its good and bad for all involved.

Keep in mind..it was Kissinger that stooped Golda from a preemptive strike, had she done it US support may have very well been unnecessary and a lot of Jewish lives would have been sparred to boot. "Not so much as a nail" I believe were Kissinger's words.

I don't fail to understand anything about Israel jamesflowers. You are new here so I will go further. Had you been here for ages you would have known that the Jews are a very powerful and financial llobby in the US and said so here on these very forums. You are therefor late in catching up! It is a combination of that Jewish Bund in America and the evangelical wing over there that is consumed by Biblical matters regarding old Israel that makes it the prima for America.

In more recent times the much vaunted IDF was brought to a standstill in it's incursion into Lebanon so times have changed. I suspect that if the Arab nations did gang up these days it would be a different scenario. Unfortunately Israel exists thanks to the American stooge taxpayers and without that it would disappear tomorrow. It is afact of life and it is damning that it gets away with blocking a Palestinian State. Tlk about gree,d selfishness and outright arrogance? How the USA can think it can be an honest broker when it funds one side is utterly bonkers.

pardon me if I am rude; rjhowie is not all that objective. God said that He would gather them to their land again; and this He fulfiled in 1948. Besides, the relationship between US and Israel is normal friendship. In every true friendship, there is benefit of defence of each other interest. Why would you be my friend if you are not ready to defend my interest? US and Israel are the only true allies I have ever known in the world.

Originally posted by greatgeoff:

God said that He would gather them to their land again; and this He fulfiled in 1948.

a bottle of holy for you sir

Now there's a great example of religious simplicity if ever there was one. So a friendly God to the Jews encouraged them to create the Stern Gang (probably the worst) along with others who were in fact terror gangs equal to the modern Hamas & co. They murdered and blew up freely including our soldiers. They even hung them on lamp posts outside a hotel. Create Mossad a lot not far off some Gestapo activity and so on? Then follow that up with a continuation of extension and stuff everyone else? Well that simplicity will fit neatly into the religious right in Israel's paymaster the US? Talk about hijacking religion. It almost insults intelligence.

You are most certainly not being rude at all greatgeoff just naive and an overly simplistic.