internal IE-Tab

Is it possible to implement "open in IE-Tab" next to the other tabs in Opera in a blue color with IE symbol or is Trident not open for other software?

What's the use? All modern websites support browsers other than IE. For some websites who block all browsers except IE, we have Spoofing/masking features. For websites that are tremendously wrong with Opera, the new shining HTML5 parser is on the way to Opera 12. And having two rendering engines for one browser will only destroy your browsing experience.

Let me answer this question for you.
There are sites which do not work properly in Opera. They do not work because the Opera rendering engine can not fully handle all site functions.
To be frank, most of those sites are commercial projects or internal enterprise web sites.

I personally use Fatwire and Salesforce sites which work under Opera in general but some functions (like uploading file, inspecting content being edited, etc.) simply do not work, even under Opera Next.
Companies, like two above mentioned, of course support multiple browsers but - for some reason - hardly support Opera (but IE9, Firefox, Chrome, Safari are supported).
For me, as an Opera user, it is neither funny nor convenient to use two browsers (Opera for "normal" web surfing and IE for my work).
There are sites like the above mentioned and always will be - especially because online web tools market is still emerging and those kinds of sites will become more and more complicated. And that means - it will be harder and harder to ensure that every browser is compatible. Of course site designers are responsible for verifying its compatibility but what happens if they do not consider Opera as a valuable browser? Well, the only one to suffer is an Opera user...

So, it would be a good solution to have all Opera functionality in a tab (like Password Manager, gestures, shortcuts, etc.) but to have different rendering engine (like newest IE).
It would be also essential to have an additional option in Site preferences, to not only "Identify as IE" or "Mask as IE", but also to "Render using IE".
That would solve the above problem ultimately - for sites that are simply not fully compatible, and probably never will be.

Right-click, Open With IE is much easier, takes not special coding by Opera devs, needs no plugins, and doesn't bog down Opera.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Right-click, Open With IE is much easier, takes not special coding by Opera devs, needs no plugins, and doesn't bog down Opera.

Well the point is that we want to browse even these incompatible pages using Opera features. To make this possible, either Opera has to improve its rendering engine or we need another engine implemented to use when needed.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Right-click, Open With IE is much easier, takes not special coding by Opera devs, needs no plugins, and doesn't bog down Opera.

Is it? You're talking about ordinary, anonymous sites.
How about sites that you need to login to? Opera Password Manager is great but it does not work under IE. If one would want to login, he must install another password manager for that IE browser and that means that there are less things that one expects from Opera.
At the end, the easiest way for the one is to completely switch to another browser, not "right click".
Please note that I'm not talking about some randomly accessed sites which do not show themselves correctly from time to time. I'm talking about some sites that many of us must use every day and must use them with all their features.

kiziuk is right. I have to use Outlook Web Access all the time at work, and my only two options right now are: (a) open it in IE (oh the heresy); (b) open it in an IETab in Firefox. Yes, that's what Unrealmirakulix is asking for: some functionality that already exists in a Firefox addon.

There was once a Neptune plugin that let you do just this in Opera, but it was never integrated and it didn't work that well. OWA, for example, loaded with seemingly all features intact, but when you tried to navigate your email list you noticed that capabilities were lost --you were seeing the Outlook interface, but couldn't go from one mail to another with the keyboard, or open them. All this can be done in Firefox's IETab.

And the story continues. Today I've switched to 64-bit Windows 7.
Now, Java menu that I use in the Fatwire system does not load any more under Opera (Java crashes for some reason).
But, of course all the stuff works great under IE.
Looks like another vote for IEtab

Originally posted by kiziuk:

They do not work because the Opera rendering engine can not fully handle all site functions.

Mind what you say. Opera's rendering engine Presto is 5 times more capable than Internet Explorer's Trident. It's the websites which send incomplete bits of HTML, CSS and JavaScript to Opera.

Originally posted by kiziuk:

different rendering engine (like newest IE)

Trident is horrible.

Originally posted by slalaurette:

All this can be done in Firefox's IETab.

I have used Firefox before and also used it with IETab add-on. And switching to IE mode ruined my browsing so much.

Originally posted by kiziuk:

That would solve the above problem ultimately - for sites that are simply not fully compatible, and probably never will be.

And give a less than 0.5% market share to Opera encouraging developers more and more to not support Opera - terrible idea.

My policy goes the opposite of you: If a website does not support Opera, then you have many many alternatives. Switch to the alternative services not a crap alternative browser.

-1, if I really need IE (yuck), which in my case is maybe once a month - if even that often, I am perfectly content with right-click -> open with.

Originally posted by Swapnil99pro:

Mind what you say. Opera's rendering engine Presto is 5 times more capable than Internet Explorer's Trident. It's the websites which send incomplete bits of HTML, CSS and JavaScript to Opera.

What difference does it make to the user who must use that "websites which send incomplete bits of HTML, CSS and JavaScript"?

Originally posted by Swapnil99pro:

Trident is horrible.

From the point of web developer - maybe.
From the point of end-user - completely irrelevant.

Originally posted by slalaurette:

I have used Firefox before and also used it with IETab add-on. And switching to IE mode ruined my browsing so much.

But you had the option to use it.
In Opera, you simply don't so there's no way to compare it.

Originally posted by slalaurette:

And give a less than 0.5% market share to Opera encouraging developers more and more to not support Opera - terrible idea.

How big market share does Opera have now, if compared to IE, Firefox and Chrome?
It is so low that most of web designers of commercial systems (like those mentioned earlier) do not consider it as a target for their products.

Originally posted by slalaurette:

My policy goes the opposite of you: If a website does not support Opera, then you have many many alternatives. Switch to the alternative services not a crap alternative browser.

Yes, tell your company that you will not use their systems because those systems do not support your browser and you refuse to work until they fix it.
Funny, isn't it?

Originally posted by kiziuk:

But you had the option to use it.In Opera, you simply don't

And you never will.

Originally posted by kiziuk:

How big market share does Opera have now, if compared to IE, Firefox and Chrome?

Enough to be included in the market share statistics atleast. If it drops below 1% it would be classified in the 'Others' category and would loose it's recognition. Then the world will only only consider 4 major browsers, and you would hardly get ANY website to work in Opera.
It would probably drop below 1% if something like IETab is implemented as many people just use Opera for it's excellent and they won't mind if IE's rendering engine inside Opera makes a website compatible.

Originally posted by kiziuk:

Yes, tell your company that you will not use their systems because those systems do not support your browser and you refuse to work until they fix it.Funny, isn't it?

Then I would use Firefox with IETab add-on at the least as I don't mind if I have to use it. But I always keep using it at home atleast.
What I said above did not mean with your company based work.

Originally posted by Swapnil99pro:

And you never will.

Sad to hear that. But it is Opera Devs choice. Hopefully the right one.

Originally posted by Swapnil99pro:

Enough to be included in the market share statistics at least.

Yes, at least...

Originally posted by Swapnil99pro:

If it drops below 1% it would be classified in the 'Others' category and would loose it's recognition. Then the world will only only consider 4 major browsers, and you would hardly get ANY website to work in Opera.

Well, people vote with their legs... or browsers.

Originally posted by Swapnil99pro:

It would probably drop below 1% if something like IETab is implemented as many people just use Opera for it's excellent and they won't mind if IE's rendering engine inside Opera makes a website compatible.

By "many" you're reffering to those 2.5% ?
Unfortunately the one option to actually verify it - is to test it. Possibly "probably" is not good enough. But it is my personal opinion of course

Originally posted by Swapnil99pro:

Then I would use Firefox with IETab add-on at the least as I don't mind if I have to use it. But I always keep using it at home atleast. What I said above did not mean with your company based work.

The point is - I would love to use a single browser. I work in an office but I also work in home. And I also have some habits.
I've been using Opera since its version 5 but, because of that 64-bit OS problems, I'm considering to switch totally to Chrome - as it rapidly gains market and is better and better supported by web-devs; or Firefox - as it is much better supported by 3rd party devs.

At least I could make my viewpoint

Originally posted by Swapnil99pro:

Enough to be included in the market share statistics atleast. If it drops below 1% it would be classified in the 'Others' category and would loose it's recognition. Then the world will only only consider 4 major browsers, and you would hardly get ANY website to work in Opera.

The statistics numbers doesn't matter, the number of users yes... But yes, that would make Presto less relevant because Website owners wouldn't see people using Opera to access them and cause even more problems if they decide to do not care about these users.

If the system of your company doesn't work with Opera you could aways ask for it. Say them what exactly doesn't work, check the possibility. If it isn't possible, use IE just for the system... Or do you need Opera features there?

The thing is actually you wouldn't be able to use some Opera features inside the IE-Tab. Just check the Firefox extension: the pages opened in IE rendering engine have IE's context menus, trying to download things will make it through IE's downloader, etc.

We don't know also how much Opera's interface is integrated with its engines. Maybe to support IE's engine would take a lot of effort...
Opera also has a strong fight against IE, it aways refuse to implement technologies Microsoft implements in their browser that aren't standards. IMO, making it possible to run any other engine in Opera is completely the opposite of Opera ideology since Microsoft, Mozilla and WebKit are constantly following some standards in the wrong way and putting new vendor prefixes that last ages.

Originally posted by kiziuk:

Java crashes for some reason (...) 64-bit OS problems

It doesn't seem to be related at all! Do you have the 32-bit version of Java installed?

Originally posted by kiziuk:

Sad to hear that. But it is Opera Devs choice. Hopefully the right one.

It's safe to say that there's only a .001% chance they'd do it.

Originally posted by burnout426:

Originally posted by kiziuk:

Sad to hear that. But it is Opera Devs choice. Hopefully the right one.

It's safe to say that there's only a .001% chance they'd do it.

I'd rather guess that chance to 0.000%. We're not in the 1990's, when this problem was prevailing. Nobody would want these times back, where no browser-vendor cared about standards.

Originally posted by rafaelluik:

It doesn't seem to be related at all! Do you have the 32-bit version of Java installed?

Well, it doesn't seem like it to me as well, but unfortunately this is the result. I have both Java enviroments installed.
It is also connected with the Java applet itself, maybe the Opera's enviroment is too strict for this particular applet - but the problem, I think, emerges from the fact that many devs don't test they products against Opera.

I can understand that it can be not an Opera's fault that it does not work.
But the most important thing for me (as a user) is that it does not work.

a big thank you to the OP and to everyone who is promoting this. i am in the exact shoes as kiziuk.

i work at HP and all of our internal web apps ONLY WORK WITH IE. everything fromt he intranet website to my time tracking application only works properly with IE. yes it is dumb, but thats the way it is.

so that is the sole reason i stopped using opera at home too. i am still waiting for someone to develop an addon or something for opera with the functionality of the ie tab multi for chrome.

i simply want to use one browser at home and the same browser at work. since opera does not enable me to do so, i started using chrome. i'd still use opera if there was something like IE tab for it.

Originally posted by kiziuk:

the most important thing for me (as a user) is that it does not work

I understand. :/

Originally posted by skuko:

i work at HP and all of our internal web apps ONLY WORK WITH IE

This gives you even more fuel to ask for supporting Opera... You could politely ask "it to work in other browsers such as Firefox, Chrome and Opera". In a good company I believe they would collect feedback from their employees in order to make productivity improvements on the system (or ask for the third-party who develops it).

Originally posted by skuko:

that is the sole reason i stopped using opera at home too

Not valid, you could use IE for working in the system and Opera for the other things. When you say this it doesn't seem you miss Opera features so much!

Originally posted by skuko:

i work at HP and all of our internal web apps ONLY WORK WITH IE. everything fromt he intranet website to my time tracking application only works properly with IE. yes it is dumb, but thats the way it is.

Well, just use IE for those and a standalone installation of Opera in your userprofile space for everything else.

And, if you have the neptune plug-in, you can goto <http://shadow2531.com/opera/testcases/plugins/temp/neptune.html> (just an example way of doing it) in Opera, type the site you want and it'll load in IE in Opera. You'll have to use the right-click menu on the page to get to IE's menu though. Or, you'll have to use shortcuts while the IE page is focused.

Originally posted by skuko:

i simply want to use one browser at home and the same browser at work.

I don't understand the strong need for this requirement. But, if Chrome satisfies that and you like Chrome, go for it.