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U.S allegations against Iran: real or just fairy tales?
Did an elite branch of Iran's military handpicka divorced, 56-year-old Iranian-American
used-car salesman from Texas to hire a
hitman from a Mexican drug cartel to
assassinate the ambassador to Saudi Arabia
by blowing up a bomb in a crowded
restaurant in Washington?
U.S. officials say they are certain the bizarre
plot against Ambassador Adel Jubeir was
real.
But some analysts say they are not. They find
it unlikely that the Iranian government, or
legitimate factions within, would be involved
in such a tangled plot.
Iran slams plot allegations
They cite five reasons why:
1. The alleged plot doesn't fit Iran's style
In the 32-year history of the Islamic Republic
of Iran, its Quds Force -- the branch
implicated in the alleged plot -- has never
been publicly linked to an assassination plot
or an attack on U.S. soil. In cases where Quds
Force members have been accused of
plotting attacks, they had gone to great
lengths to cover their tracks and hire proxy
groups of the highest caliber, like the
Lebanese Hezbollah.
Hiring an Iranian-American used-car
salesman who, according to investigators,
openly talked about his connections to the
Iranian military and brazenly made a
$100,000 wire transfer doesn't fit the Quds
Force's modus operandi, analysts say.
"It would be completely uncharacteristic for
Iran to be caught red-handed," former CIA
operative Bob Baer told CNN.
"There are very few groups operationally
better than Iran's Quds Force. They know
what they are doing, The only proxies they
use are ones they've vetted. They don't let
their own citizens get involved."-CNN
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Originally posted by DANBUZU:
you are writting a research paper? M.Sc in what?Originally posted by johnogaziechi:
No!by the way since we got FBI, CIA, mossad, and maybe Quds agents here -as alledged by kat- i'd like to ask: did any of you by chance kidnapp my fellow country man Dambuzu? He's been missing for quit sometime now
DANBUZU is busy with his M.Sc research work, which is to be submitted this coming November. Just wish him GOODLUCK!
Assassination Plot Was Pushed By DEA Informant
Arbabsiar thought he was involved in a drug deal
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, October 14, 2011
Details emerging from the dubious Iranian terror plot strongly suggest that the plan to assassinate a Saudi ambassador was concocted not by Mansour J. Arbabsiar, who thought he was overseeing a drug deal, but by the DEA informant working on behalf of the federal government.
“The legal document describing evidence in the case provides multiple indications that it was mainly the result of a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) sting operation,” reports Asia Times’ Gareth Porter.
The document confirms that the assassination plan was “originated with and was strongly pushed by an undercover DEA [Department of Drug Enforcement] informant, at the direction of the FBI”.
Geopolitical experts have almost universally questioned why the highly professional Iranian Quds Force would hire a washed up used care salesman who had a drinking problem and a propensity for hookers to be the “mastermind” behind such a sophisticated operation, and why that operation would take place in the United States when it would be far easier to carry out the assassination in the middle east.
It now appears that Iranian-American patsy Mansour Arbabsiar thought he was merely involved in a drug deal to sell large amounts of opium from Afghanistan, and that the terrorist angle was introduced by “CS-1″ – the DEA informant working on behalf of the FBI.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/assassination-plot-was-pushed-by-dea-informant.html
At the purpose to activate war on Iran.
US House Committee Okays Sweeping Sanctions on Iran
by Jim Lobe, November 03, 2011
Amid growing tensions in the Middle East, including speculation about a possible Israeli attack on Iran, a key U.S. congressional committee Wednesday approved two bills that would impose sweeping new economic and diplomatic sanctions against Tehran.
http://original.antiwar.com/lobe/2011/11/02/us-house-committee-okays-sweeping-sanctions-on-iran/
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Britain Prepares to Attack Iran
Defense Ministry Expects US to 'Fast-Forward' Plans for Attack
by Jason Ditz, November 02, 2011
With Defense Ministry officials saying that they believe the US may soon “fast-forward” plans to attack Iran, Britain’s military is stepping up its own preparations for such an attack under the assumption that they will join in on the war.
The planning is based on expectations that next week’s report from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) will be a “game changer” and will convince President Obama to launch another massive war.
It also comes just a day after reports in the Israeli press that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is hoping to convince the rest of his cabinet to launch a unilateral attack on Iran before winter on the argument that an autumn war would be much more convenient.
Though Netanyahu seems to be gaining some ground, there are a number of Israeli cabinet members who say it is their preference to convince the US to start the war instead. Though threats of an impending war against Iran have been coming off and on for over a decade, it seems the Obama Administration’s preference not to see Israel launch a disastrous unilateral war could convince them that the US should start its own disastrous unilateral war instead.
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/11/02/britain-prepares-to-attack-iran/
Iran is NOT Iraq. The country has a history of involvement in it from the past and has long memories. Iran also has a very, very, deep seated patriotic fervour about it's sovereignty that would give a different situation totally from the Iraq mess. Any suggestion (and not discounted by the theorists) of Israel being involved would cause an even wider conflict across the Middle East. When will it ever be learned to stop interfering in other countries their way of life, etc? After all we ally to nations that have virtually no freedoms but when it suits us. Recently I was reminded of the Truman Doctrines but they also included allying, funding and supporting fascist dictatorships just because they were anti-Red. So much for principles.
To justify a war on Iran, the accusation is that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. To push the Americans to support the war, the Feds did a lot of provocateur work.
1. Psychological work: Intimidate public with nuclear crisis. We saw on 3/11/2011, an earthquake in Japan which damaged the nuclear plant in Fukushima. Media blew the trumpet to make it another Chernobyl case. Then in June, (timing is important here. Remember the Operation Geronimo was on May 1st. ) They prepared two nuclear disasters in US. One was in Calhoun Nuclear Plant in Nebraska, the other one was in Los Alamos nuclear Lab in New Mexico.
Insiders knew the disaster to come in advance, gave a warning.
6/10/11 NASA Emails ALL Employees to PREPARE!
June 10, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZUPGw7p9I0&feature=player_embedded
“ Nebraska Nuclear Plant: Emergency Level 4 & Getting Worse -
June 14, 2011 (1of3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvvmrB7qEg&feature=youtu.be “
“10 Mile Mandatory Evacuation Area at the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant
Posted on July 2, 2011 by admin
http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/10-mile-mandatory-evacuation-area-at-the-fort-calhoun-nuclear-plant
“Mandatory evacuation ordered as blaze threatens Los Alamos
Posted On Tuesday, June 28, 2011 By . Under WORLD
http://mysouth.su/2011/06/mandatory-evacuation-ordered-as-blaze-threatens-los-alamos/ “
You also can see how US media is under the control of the Feds. They didn’t report the disaster, although it was at #4 emergency level, same level Fukushima had had. They were waiting for a false flag nuclear attack from “Al Qaida”. They wanted to make a shock and awe. When people were frozen in nuclear panic, Pentagon could activate a war.
The nuclear disaster hadn’t developed further because their main case failed to go through.
2. A false flag nuclear attack to justify war on Iran.
(1) On April 25, Five days before “Operation Geronimo”, so said “Al Qaida” knew Bin Laden would be “killed” and threatened a nuclear attack.
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Al-Qaeda Threatens to Unleash ‘Nuclear Hellstorm’ if bin Laden Caught
Posted by Ingrid Turner on Apr 25, 2011
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba (NEWSTABULOUS) – According to news reported by WikiLeaks, threats have been received from al-Qaeda terrorists, stating that they will “unleash a nuclear hellstorm” upon Western countries if Osama bin Laden is ever caught or killed.
http://newstabulous.com/al-qaeda-threatens-to-unleash-nuclear-hellstorm-if-bin-laden-caught/9761/
(2) May 1st, Operation Geronimo. Bin Laden was “killed” in a corpse less show.
(3) June 8, an announcement from Al Qaida justified the planned June nuke attack.
Bin Laden's No. 2: Muslims will destroy America
By BEN HUBBARD, Associated Press Ben Hubbard, Associated Press – Wed Jun 8, 4:24 pm ET
CAIRO – Osama bin Laden's deputy warned Wednesday that America faces not individual terrorists or groups but an international community of Muslims that seek to destroy it and its allies. He was delivering a 28-minute videotaped eulogy to slain al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110608/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_al_qaida_message
Though the June plot failed, the Feds still plans one before the end of the year – before Pentagon has to withdraw the troops from Iraq in 2011. So we saw Holder and Mueller have pushed out an “Iran is to assassinate Saudi Ambassador in US soil” case and now this news:
Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died
11/7/2011
http://news.yahoo.com/correcting-fairy-tale-seal-account-osama-bin-laden-054233289.html
Government changed the “kill Bin Laden” story again and again. It made their credit notorious low. They don’t care. Yesterday they let out a new one. What’s the purpose? My point of view: It’s a trick to remind public of Operation Geronimo. It’s a psychological tactic to let people believe it is a “revenge from Al Qaida” when a nuclear attack happens,.
693. Eric Holder and Operation “Fast and Furious” (11/14/2011)
In last article, I said, “The nuclear disaster hadn’t developed further because their main case failed to go through.” The main plot is to kill Kat Hak Sung in a framed case. In recent years, the Feds prepared so many times to create war on Iran with false flag terror attacks. All failed to go through because the main plot went soured. So in June, when they were creating two nuclear disasters in US, they also authorized themselves with extended illegal power.
FBI expands agents' reach
By Charlie Savage New York Times
WASHIGNGTO - The FBI is giving significant new powers to its roughly 14,000 agents - allowing them more leeway to search databases, go through household trash or use surveillance teams to scrutinize the lives of people who have attracted their attention.
(June 13, 2011 Mercury News)
The tactic is to authorize the Feds with power of unreasonable arrest and search. When they want to wrong someone they disliked, they only need to plant something illegal in his trash then they can make an arrest. It bypasses the Fourth Amendment. That rule is issued particularly on Kat Hak Sung. That’s obvious. Of course, the rule is against law. It doesn’t matter. They have convenient way. Let a political assigned official to take the responsibility. In August 2007 plot, (signaled by a B-52 loaded with nuclear missiles flying over US Continental on 8/30) President advisor Carl Rove and A.G. Gonzales both resigned on that day. Gonzales stayed a little longer later because the main plot (framed case) hadn’t been carried out. Now it’s A.G. Holder’s turn.
In recent weeks, there is a strong voice to demand the resignation of A.G. Eric Holder for his authorization of “Operation Fast and Furious”. He neglects the demand.
“ Rep. Joe Walsh to Eric Holder: You better resign immediately, buddy
October 26, 2011 by Tina Korbe
http://peakoilpetroleumandpreciousmetals.yuku.com/topic/14816/Congressional-Hearings-Operation-Gunrunner--Operation-Fast?page=6 “
“As a victim’s family speaks, 38 congressmen demand Eric Holder’s resignation
Published: 12:43 AM 11/10/2011
http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/10/as-a-victims-family-speaks-38-congressmen-demand-eric-holders-resignation/#ixzz1dXEpxHA4 “
Why Eric Holder clings to his office not to resign? He is waiting for a big case. When the FBI, DEA in Department of Justice commit a crime – killing people in a framed case, he’ll step down to take the responsibility. That’s the way how the Feds play the politics.
http://katsung47.yuku.com/forums/66
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It is also a bit rich of Israel mumbling about a strike when it has the worse kept secret of it's own bomb. Maybe the Iranians should take them out for stealth bomb work? Eachy-peachy!
Originally posted by rjhowie:
I watched a programme highlighting a scientist waxing on Iran and the bomb. It urned out that he wasn't an atomic scientist but added a clever theory to justify his stance! Struck me he was put up to it? Allbright was another mentioned and he was a dupe or just daft. So far it is half truths being fed to us as some kind of ground work for doing what the USA thinks "neccessary". They won't get any attack thorugh the UN this time like the nonesne used to attack Libya, Please not false Iraq dossiers style excuses again!
David Albright?
The US? It strikes me that more were involved.
See here.French fighter jets and U.S. and British warships, firing more than 110 cruise missiles from the Mediterranean Sea, struck multiple military targets.
The USA is desperate for a chance to go for Iran and any story will suffice. The long tale of such since WW2 is littered with all sorts of stories to deal with anyone you don't like or won't succumb to your power or commercialism.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
The USA is desperate for a chance to go for Iran and any story will suffice. The long tale of such since WW2 is littered with all sorts of stories to deal with anyone you don't like or won't succumb to your power or commercialism.
I'd sure like to know where you get this stuff. Nothing I've seen so far supports this notion except you and Katsung-- and I personally take anything Katsung says with a very large grain of salt, any man who believes the Feds are capable of making earthquakes and causing tornadoes isn't exactly hitting on all cylinders if you get my meaning.
when I'm alone, I will look at them
shocked and just whisper quietly
"You can see me?"
You lot have been involved in conflict after conflict since WW2 but you think folk like me are conjuring up some make-believe? It is a funny picture but it does in fact however resonance with folk outside the US Empire. It is just that those inside the country are myopic and think the world owes America it's existence and get miffed and scratch heads that it isn't appreciated. The history is long and condemning about the hypocrisy of the world's greatest democracy (laughing now). You have a sense of humour but inadvertently the world at large can have empathy with the fun picture as it is in reality near the truth!
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
Originally posted by rjhowie:
The USA is desperate for a chance to go for Iran and any story will suffice. The long tale of such since WW2 is littered with all sorts of stories to deal with anyone you don't like or won't succumb to your power or commercialism.
RJ, I still want to know: Where's the beef? You and Katsung have been shouting that the United States is aching for a chance to go to war with Iran and that any excuse will do. OK, we've had reports for years that Iran either has or is planning to have nukes in the near future. That's reason enough and to spare. Why is our military not rolling? Could it be that we're not as anxious to make trouble in Iran as you two are saying?
Israel has more reason, as it happens, to move against Iran-- especially if Iran develops nuclear weapons-- and so far I hear nothing of them moving either. If something happens I expect them to move first, and it may be that the US might have to join in, but so far nothing moves.
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shocked and just whisper quietly
"You can see me?"
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
I'm throwing this in just for giggles. Problem: I suspect RJHowie and Katsung really believe this.
sad as this is true on many levels
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In the fullness of time, perhaps days:
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Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:
Here's a hypothetical Dat One of the a war with Iran. The sound of buzzing like enraged bees would be heard across the Islamic world.
In the fullness of time, perhaps days:
Hes not that stupid, or that big of a coward.
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The thing that you have to remember dear Chicagoan, is that the US is "ruling nothing out". However the thing that puts military intervention on hold at present is the disasterous PR over Iraq and now the fiasco in Afghanistan. Oh and the there was the misuse of the UN Resolution to be able to do what was wanted in Libya. That won't happen again. I fear that US troops will be there for a long time in the Afghan increasing mess. You can only stretch a military so far but if your puppets in Tel Aviv were to stand in then vwolla, problem partially solved!
Originally posted by rjhowie:
You have more faith than me, my friend.
Originally posted by rjhowie:
Just think of all the wars and invasions the US has decided to be involved in since WW2!
This is not faith. This is knowing Iran thinks the American Govt will be thrown off the horse by the people it swore to serve. The leader understands this, so he can move to more pressing matter. While the thought of a nuclear power plant in Iran, scary yes, is scary because of our one sided religious zealots who believe its Christianity or die. While yes the tali-ban is the extreme form, the zealots of the smoke called GOD, are in the same fucking boat.
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Originally posted by rjhowie:
Just think of all the wars and invasions the US has decided to be involved in since WW2! I don't need to conjure up anything but the factual.
The thing that you have to remember dear Chicagoan, is that the US is "ruling nothing out". However the thing that puts military intervention on hold at present is the disasterous PR over Iraq and now the fiasco in Afghanistan. Oh and the there was the misuse of the UN Resolution to be able to do what was wanted in Libya. That won't happen again. I fear that US troops will be there for a long time in the Afghan increasing mess. You can only stretch a military so far but if your puppets in Tel Aviv were to stand in then vwolla, problem partially solved!
It seems that my conjecture for the moment is right, at least according to Reuters. At this moment, the USA and Israel are not as ready to go to war against Iran as RJH and Katsung are ready for this to happen. See link below.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/22/us-iran-nuclear-options-idUSTRE7AL1AB20111122
Now, I'd be more than a little interested in where you get the notion that the US is all that anxious to go to war there.
when I'm alone, I will look at them
shocked and just whisper quietly
"You can see me?"
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/22/us-iran-nuclear-options-idUSTRE7AL1AB20111122
From the article:
That and I'm not sure the war would remain regional, hence my photo above.But for now at least, experts say there was nothing in the IAEA report that makes military action more likely. If anything, it points to the limits of the effectiveness of a military campaign, which would have to be weighed against the risk of starting a potentially catastrophic regional war.
BUT:
No. They know the risks as well."And once they do that they would start a very big war which would drag in almost every Middle East country and the United States," he said, adding that for now, Washington has been holding its Israeli allies back.
"Up until now, President Bush and President Obama have said don't do it. That's been documented," he said. "This is the multi-billion dollar question: are the Israelis misguided and impulsive enough not to ask the Americans for permission?"
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Considering the fiasco the IFD got into the last time it tried to invade south Lebanon and left with it'sd tail between it's legs it would not be up to an Iranian push-over like Iraq. Nothing more would push the two internal sides together in Iran than a US or equally an individual affression by Israel. When you sonsider that the lot under President Bush would have been itching to go for Iran it is not a complete mythology of tackling Iran. I am far from liking the Iranian President but he would become a hero overnight in te ME regarding any physical attack. Anyway there is no way the US-Israel love affair would get any motion through the UN and even more so after the Libyan one was hijacked.
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
and I personally take anything Katsung says with a very large grain of salt, any man who believes the Feds are capable of making earthquakes and causing tornadoes isn't exactly hitting on all cylinders if you get my meaning.
I would still like to refer the words from former Secretary of Defense and hope people wouldn't be fooled by cyberspace swift boat team's cover up.
DoD News Briefing: Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen
April 28, 1997
Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.
http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674
The sooner that rat bas**rd dies the better off Iran's young, Iran as a whole and the world will be.
*flips bird to Khomeni*
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"Americans should not go abroad to slay dragons they do not understand in the name of spreading democracy." -President John Quincy Adams
Originally posted by thedawgfan:
Iran's Supreme Leader Khomeni can take a look at that mistletoe hanging from the seat of my pants.
The only things he takes a look at is a bunch of daisies, from below You probably mean this guy, and now we know what he's been looking at
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
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Originally posted by Macallan:
Originally posted by thedawgfan:
Iran's Supreme Leader Khomeni can take a look at that mistletoe hanging from the seat of my pants.
You probably mean this guy, and now we know what he's been looking at
Yeah, that's him. My brain's wires are still crossed from doing a study of the Asian nations this semester.
Thanks for the correction Mac!
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"Americans should not go abroad to slay dragons they do not understand in the name of spreading democracy." -President John Quincy Adams
Originally posted by thedawgfan:
My brain's wires are still crossed from doing a study of the Asian nations this semester.
Thanks for the correction Mac!
Their names are kinda similar, I'm sure they did that intentionally, just to screw with people
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by katsung47:
I would still like to refer the words from former Secretary of Defense and hope people wouldn't be fooled by cyberspace swift boat team's cover up. DoD News Briefing: Secretary of Defense William S. CohenApril 28, 1997 Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important. http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674
This is beyond awful. Cohen was talking about what others had said, viz. Toeffler. Still, it was silly of him to do so.
Originally posted by katsung47:
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
and I personally take anything Katsung says with a very large grain of salt, any man who believes the Feds are capable of making earthquakes and causing tornadoes isn't exactly hitting on all cylinders if you get my meaning.
I would still like to refer the words from former Secretary of Defense and hope people wouldn't be fooled by cyberspace swift boat team's cover up.DoD News Briefing: Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen
April 28, 1997
Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.
http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674
"Swift-boat teams", eh??? Man, you have been drinking deep of the Kool-Aid.
Also, selective quoting. Hmmmm..... Seems when you actually read the link it doesn't necessarily show that the United States is up to "eco-terrorism", but might be trying to find out how to defeat terrorist organisations that might try something like that. Not that it's even remotely possible-- outside of a sci-fi novel-- to do it. The Death Star makes a great prop on a "Star Wars" movie set but there's no reality to it. Here's the full quote below.:
""Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.
A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.""
http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674
So--- the full passage turns out to be about trying to defend against "phantom menaces" and not real threats-- but stuff that still creates problems inside an agency that is supposed to defend us. For the rest-- read the full link. It's not a long piece, if printed out I doubt that it would cover a legal-size sheet of paper (US Legal size is 8.5"x 14") so it's not long-winded. It looks to me to be a statement about how the US would respond to terrorist threats in 1997. Note: One thing nearly threw me until I recalled an earlier incident, and that is the following statement;
""We've seen by way of example of the World Trade Center the international aspects of international terrorism coming to our home territory. We've also seen domestic terrorism with the Oklahoma bombing. So it's a real threat that's here today. It's likely to intensify in the years to come as more and more groups have access to this kind of information and the ability to produce them.""
For a moment, the mention of the WTC threw me because I knew the big one that took place on 9.11.2001, like we all saw. I had forgotten about the earlier truck-bombing that happened there some years earlier. For a moment, this passage almost made me think this link was a put-up job by certain people (we won't name names here), but once I recalled the truck-bomb incident at WTC that helped in following the rest of the story.
Note about swift-boats and "yours truly": I never did favor powered boats, I've always been something of a wind-jammer man in full-size boats. I had a couple of halfway decent RC models that had power, but that had to be given up a couple of years back. "Swift-boats" indeed!!!
when I'm alone, I will look at them
shocked and just whisper quietly
"You can see me?"
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
Originally posted by katsung47:
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
and I personally take anything Katsung says with a very large grain of salt, any man who believes the Feds are capable of making earthquakes and causing tornadoes isn't exactly hitting on all cylinders if you get my meaning.
I would still like to refer the words from former Secretary of Defense and hope people wouldn't be fooled by cyberspace swift boat team's cover up.DoD News Briefing: Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen
April 28, 1997
Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.
http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674
"Swift-boat teams", eh??? Man, you have been drinking deep of the Kool-Aid.
Also, selective quoting. Hmmmm..... Seems when you actually read the link it doesn't necessarily show that the United States is up to "eco-terrorism", but might be trying to find out how to defeat terrorist organisations that might try something like that. Not that it's even remotely possible-- outside of a sci-fi novel-- to do it. The Death Star makes a great prop on a "Star Wars" movie set but there's no reality to it. Here's the full quote below.:
""Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.
A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.""
http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674
So--- the full passage turns out to be about trying to defend against "phantom menaces" and not real threats-- but stuff that still creates problems inside an agency that is supposed to defend us.
That's easily the most blatant quotemine this side of a Bantay rant. Next thing you know Isaac Newton and Nostradamus will support his delusions
FNORD14. Wipe thine ass with what is written and grin like a ninny at what is Spoken. Take thine refuge with thine wine in the Nothing behind Everything, as you hurry along the Path.
THE PURPLE SAGE, HBT; The Book of Predictions, Chap. 19
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
Originally posted by katsung47:
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
and I personally take anything Katsung says with a very large grain of salt, any man who believes the Feds are capable of making earthquakes and causing tornadoes isn't exactly hitting on all cylinders if you get my meaning.
I would still like to refer the words from former Secretary of Defense and hope people wouldn't be fooled by cyberspace swift boat team's cover up.DoD News Briefing: Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen
April 28, 1997
Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.
http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674
"Swift-boat teams", eh??? Man, you have been drinking deep of the Kool-Aid.
Also, selective quoting. Hmmmm..... Seems when you actually read the link it doesn't necessarily show that the United States is up to "eco-terrorism", but might be trying to find out how to defeat terrorist organisations that might try something like that. Not that it's even remotely possible-- outside of a sci-fi novel-- to do it. The Death Star makes a great prop on a "Star Wars" movie set but there's no reality to it. Here's the full quote below.:
""Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.
A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.""
http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674
So--- the full passage turns out to be about trying to defend against "phantom menaces" and not real threats-- but stuff that still creates problems inside an agency that is supposed to defend us. For the rest-- read the full link. It's not a long piece, if printed out I doubt that it would cover a legal-size sheet of paper (US Legal size is 8.5"x 14") so it's not long-winded. It looks to me to be a statement about how the US would respond to terrorist threats in 1997. Note: One thing nearly threw me until I recalled an earlier incident, and that is the following statement;
""We've seen by way of example of the World Trade Center the international aspects of international terrorism coming to our home territory. We've also seen domestic terrorism with the Oklahoma bombing. So it's a real threat that's here today. It's likely to intensify in the years to come as more and more groups have access to this kind of information and the ability to produce them.""
For a moment, the mention of the WTC threw me because I knew the big one that took place on 9.11.2001, like we all saw. I had forgotten about the earlier truck-bombing that happened there some years earlier. For a moment, this passage almost made me think this link was a put-up job by certain people (we won't name names here), but once I recalled the truck-bomb incident at WTC that helped in following the rest of the story.
Note about swift-boats and "yours truly": I never did favor powered boats, I've always been something of a wind-jammer man in full-size boats. I had a couple of halfway decent RC models that had power, but that had to be given up a couple of years back. "Swift-boats" indeed!!!
Though Cohen blame it on "others", who is the "others"? Who has ability to research, develope such kind of weapons? Who has the resource to build it? Who has the largest military budget?
HAARP & Weather Control
Date: 04-04-11
Host: George Noory
Guests: Brooks Agnew, Oliver Williams
Electrical engineer and researcher Brooks Agnew talked about Project HAARP-styled technology, used by the U.S., China and Russia to artificially manipulate the ionosphere & weather, and potentially control populations and armies. By using different frequencies, HAARP technology can cause structures in the ground to vibrate, bringing on geologic effects such as earthquakes, he explained. The recent quake in Japan might have been induced this way, he speculated, adding that of the countries that have this technology, China would have the most to gain by Japan's loss. There were also signs (a lavender colored sky) just before the quakes in Chile and Haiti that indicate possible involvement of the technology, he added.
Using HAARP technology to manipulate the weather is the "perfect weapon" that leaves no fingerprints-- "It's [viewed as] an act of God that comes in and directs a hurricane into your path, or starves you out of rain for a couple years, or causes a summer of heat so bad that your wheat cooks into dust," Agnew commented (he demonstrated some of this technology on an episode of Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura). HAARP techniques have also been applied as a non-lethal weapon/psychological operation during wartime, as well as possible experiments on civilians, he detailed.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2011/04/04
http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/images/hpimage.jpg
16. December 2011, 23:38:27 (edited)
Next question: If, indeed, the US military had the power to generate earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes and big snowstorms, why do they unleash these things on their own homeland and against nations we are friends with? Wouldn't it make more sense to use such weapons against the enemies of the US? Let Iran or North Korea know that we can direct a tornado to hit them any time we want to, and I'd bet they come to the bargaining table in a hurry.
Once again, how about a credible link??? "Coast to coast" is anything but credible. I've had occasion to listen to it, and it caters to the crowd that doesn't sleep well at night because they've already got too much to worry about-- so here's some more to worry about! Your neighbor could be a secret space alien! Here's what to watch for so you can know! Stuff in your drinking water may cause hangnails, here's what to do about that! Government drones may be spying into your bedroom window! Get better shades to prevent it from our sponsors! And, it goes on and on like this all night long.
when I'm alone, I will look at them
shocked and just whisper quietly
"You can see me?"
About man-made earthquakes: It appears that Tesla may have been able to produce earthquake-like effects during an experiment in the 1890s. He used a small steam engine mounted to the frame of his building, and apparently the earthquake effect was an unintended side-effect of the machine. It was extremely local in nature, affecting his building and some nearby buildings. It was also an entirely mechanical effect. It required a seriously out-of-balance steam engine to produce the effect, which is one reason most pictures of steam engines you see have huge counter-balance weights opposite the crank-pins.
Thought: HAARP might produce an earthquake, but only if it can produce steam to drive a seriously out-of-balance steam engine, and then only in the building which houses the steam engine itself. This would likely happen on-site, so would be a novelty to be studied-- otherwise, Nada.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla%27s_oscillator
The above information was pulled from a Wikipedea page about HAARP, concerning the conspiracy theories, link here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program
The HAARP official website has a FAQ sheet-- surprise, surprise. They tell you something of what they do there, and what they may be capable-or not capable-- of doing there.
http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/faq.html
Google starts to go astray real quick, there's one conspiracy site after another, each one posing that HAARP can cause effects ranging from the stuff Kat has been posting on to whether or not your kids will eat their spinach-- and how HAARP affects whether kids will eat spinach. If ignorance were dollars----.
when I'm alone, I will look at them
shocked and just whisper quietly
"You can see me?"
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
About man-made earthquakes: It appears that Tesla may have been able to produce earthquake-like effects during an experiment in the 1890s. He used a small steam engine mounted to the frame of his building, and apparently the earthquake effect was an unintended side-effect of the machine. It was extremely local in nature, affecting his building and some nearby buildings. It was also an entirely mechanical effect. It required a seriously out-of-balance steam engine to produce the effect, which is one reason most pictures of steam engines you see have huge counter-balance weights opposite the crank-pins.
They tested this on Mythbusters a few episodes ago. While they managed to produce resonance with relatively little force, the myth was definitely busted insofar as any earthquake-like effects were concerned. (But of course that depends on what you mean by earthquake-like effects; there was some shaking.)
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
About man-made earthquakes: It appears that Tesla may have been able to produce earthquake-like effects during an experiment in the 1890s. He used a small steam engine mounted to the frame of his building, and apparently the earthquake effect was an unintended side-effect of the machine. It was extremely local in nature, affecting his building and some nearby buildings. It was also an entirely mechanical effect. It required a seriously out-of-balance steam engine to produce the effect, which is one reason most pictures of steam engines you see have huge counter-balance weights opposite the crank-pins.
They tested this on Mythbusters a few episodes ago. While they managed to produce resonance with relatively little force, the myth was definitely busted insofar as any earthquake-like effects were concerned. (But of course that depends on what you mean by earthquake-like effects; there was some shaking.)
I found it, another Wiki article. Interesting point about this: Many of the articles that Kat and friends will bring up mention Tesla's experiments. They fail to mention exactly what Tesla was doing and how, and they fail utterly to explain how HAARP could, in any way, duplicate Tesla's experiment-- especially on such a grand scale as the earthquake that hit Japan earlier this year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(2006_season)#Episode_60_.E2.80.93_.22Earthquake_Machine.22
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Originally posted by rjhowie:
By all means bodyswerve the Iran situation and itchy fingers especially with Russia taking an active interest mjmsprt40. However that is more serious than this detour on earthquakes. Russia has already despatched troops to a base as near as it can be and speicalised troop training done. It has said it would offer "technical assistance" if any troops actually invade Iran which I think is more pressing than this waffle off. If the US thinks that Moscow is somehow huffing and puffing they would be making a monumental mistake and being very blinkered.
Sources, sources, sources. Where's the link so others can follow what you're talking about here???? First, at this point I haven't heard anything about US troops hitting the ground in Iran-- in fact, right now our people are rejoicing that our boys are coming home-- to stay-- from Iraq. Right now, we've got a president who doesn't seem to want to start trouble elsewhere, which is one of the very few good things you'll ever hear me say about the present occupant of the Oval Office.
Personal thought: Invading Iran may be a huge mistake for either Russia or the US to make. It's something of a touchstone for much bigger trouble than anybody really wants.
when I'm alone, I will look at them
shocked and just whisper quietly
"You can see me?"
Nice of you to try and balance it by it being a mistake for either Russia or America you can forget that one. Russia has been making no noises abit dealing with Iran but your lot has. Russia would only respond if you did as I say a land invasion. It may well be a move that will mever happpen but I recall how Iraq was invaded on lies.
when I'm alone, I will look at them
shocked and just whisper quietly
"You can see me?"
Anyway, how could Iran use nuclear without it effecting others in the ME with the fall-out? Personally I am not convinced Iran has the bomb and I think the mouthy President of Iran is being devilish funny by cleverly teasing America and Israel. N. Korea is a bigger prob than Iran. Because you can't attack Iran militarily because it would never get through the UN like previous con jobs subtle propaganda is the fall-back.
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
About man-made earthquakes: It appears that Tesla may have been able to produce earthquake-like effects during an experiment in the 1890s.
I can do the same by jumping up and down on the living room floor.
Originally posted by jbrothernew37:
Originally posted by mjmsprt40:
About man-made earthquakes: It appears that Tesla may have been able to produce earthquake-like effects during an experiment in the 1890s.
I can do the same by jumping up and down on the living room floor.
Oh, boy, the memories: I had a model train layout set up in a room in my parent's basement. It was on a plywood table, set up on saw-horses, in a small room that probably had been a bedroom before my parents bought the house.
One day, my younger brother was playing with the set-- or trying to, any way, and not having much luck at it. Unbeknown to him, my youngest brother had put a piece of tape across the tracks and the train would derail at that point. I spotted the tape, and that threw younger brother into a jumping fit. Train cars jumped several inches, some went to the floor, and ever after that day came to be known as the Great Train-Room Earthquake.
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