Youtube suggestions after Opera promotion video.

Hi guys,
Didn't know where else to put this so here goes.


I just went to Opera.com and then took a look at the Opera browser promotion video (really well done btw). That video is hosted on Youtube and like always, when the video is over you see various suggestions for other videos by Youtube.
And for this Opera video the suggestions are straight out disgusting and sickening. If this is what a potencial Opera user sees when they check out this video, then this is quite serious buisness.
Can't Opera do anything about this? Do you know if you can some how affect Youtube's suggestions or should they just host the video elsewhere.

Hi there! I discovered the exact same thing! It's freaking disgusting!

Here's what the related videos look like yesterday and today:



It was actually my step-dad who discovered it. Good thing he didn't turn away from Opera. How the hell did this happen? A /b/ raid or something?

That big picture... I don't even dare say what it looks like.

Some tags:
youtube welcome to opera related videos video disturbing video suggestions horse mate mating sick disgusting youtube welcome vagina vocal chords start opera nakedness nude nudity starting opera promotional video

Licenced B.U.M.P.

For the record, that's the video here (it's not on the front page when I visit). And yes, thread moved - it is a question about the website, not the browser itself.

We are aware of this. The problem is that it's YouTube that selects the "similar" videos. We have reached out to them to see if we can get these videos changed. In some cases they should be removed from YouTube.

When I visit the page, I see a blurb about their Android browser first - probably because I'm using 12.00 Alpha.

As with any community, YouTube has a problem with automated spam submissions/posts and some bots use as many tags and keywords as they are programmed to use to try and get their vids onto as many legit videos as possible so that their spam is seen by the masses. YouTube staff can't catch everything, so anyone that has the guts (that can view disturbing things safely in private) should visit the videos directly and flag them as inappropriate so that YouTube will immediately start dealing with them and ban the spammers.

You'd think in this day and age, YouTube would have better anti-spam guards. Though I do realize sometimes some bad vids are posted by live people. They either don't care about the rules or they do not know of YouTube's rules.

Great that you are aware of it!

gdveggie: I checked the tags of some other videos, and none of them had any obscure tags that I could see. The horse breeding video for instance has just "horse breeding" as visible tags, but yet the video has 88 million views. So could they have hidden data somewhere?

Those videos should be taken down unless they deliberately try to get as many views as possible by metadata spamming.

Hi All,

I think, some one put wrong information in this browser code. Can any one remove such type of porn videos. The opera browser should use for all ( means, family, friends , children's, old people ...etc)

I am requesting, please some help this browser from such type of bad videos from main menu ( means first time opener's)..

Advance thanks Those who will help in this..

cheers,

Originally posted by Aleksander:

The problem is that it's YouTube that selects the "similar" videos.

Uncheck "Show suggested videos when the video finishes" when you're getting the code for embedding the video. Done.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

When I visit the page, I see a blurb about their Android browser first - probably because I'm using 12.00 Alpha.

Sounds a bit like Gatesmanship.

I was wondering how long it would be before the evil lord was replaced and the next best thing moved over to the dark side.

Yes, this is pretty strange! The suggested videos at the end of the embedded Opera video (see Jetro's image above) also appear in the "Related" videos list (displayed as thumbnails with several other similar ones) on the right side of the video's YouTube page at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuadsZwWBIg.

And after visiting the YouTube page (whether or not one plays the video), the same thumbnails will also appear in one's Recommended videos list at YouTube's homepage (http://www.youtube.com) and probably anywhere else the Recommended list appears. (The Recommended list is based on viewing history, and the viewing history can be cleared to remove these thumbnails from the Recommended list. But YouTube doesn't provide a mechanism for users to control what appears in the Related list on the right side of any video page.)

YouTube indicates that Related/Recommended videos are determined by similarities in the video titles, descriptions, and tags, but nothing I noticed in the Opera video title, description or tags strikes me as likely to match up with the allegedly "related" videos. I didn't check the descriptions and tags any of the "related" videos, because I didn't want the hassle of selectively clearing them all out of my viewing history. (There is an option to clear all items from the viewing history, but I have a few dozen other videos in my list right now that I want to retain.) ...Still, I can't imagine how the Opera video title, description, and tags are likely to be similar to any of those in the thumbnails (many of which might seem thematically related to each other, but not to Opera).

I ran across a similar but much less extreme example just a few days ago with this DrScheme v4.0 Tour video [a programming environment for the PLT Scheme programming language (renamed Racket and DrRacket since the video was made)]. On that page YouTube oddly includes Breastfeeding...at 8 and Do you remember when you were sexually awakened... in the video's otherwise obviously related list of similar programming language videos. Again, I don't see anything in the DrScheme video title, description or tags that would seem likely to match up with those 2 videos, but I didn't load the "related" video webpages to check their descriptions and tags.

According to epontius in this thread in the YouTube Help forum, the suggestions that appear at the end an embedded YouTube video (e.g., on the Opera.com homepage or in the OP's post above) can be suppressed by adding &rel=0 to the end of the video URLs in the embed code, but that only suppresses them on the embedded video and not on the YouTube page for the same video. I tried this by modifying the source on the Opera.com homepage and it worked very well, so if anyone knows how to contact an Opera webmaster, you might suggest they at least add &rel=0 to the Opera.com homepage video embed code (although it won't affect the list presented on the video's YouTube page).

The only other thing I can think of to explain this oddity is if the "related" video YouTube pages contain deliberately misleading descriptions and/or tags to intentionally associate those videos with Opera (...conspiracy theories, anyone?). Seems unlikely to say the least , and I wouldn't even mention it if the association didn't already seem so implausible. ...But if anyone checks and finds the video descriptions/tags are clearly misleading they can be flagged for Metadata Spamming and to be reviewed by YouTube and possibly removed.

Finally, along with the OP, eidur, I don't know where this thread belongs either, but I'm wondering if it might fit better in My Opera: Feedback, questions and discussions ???

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

For the record, that's the video here (it's not on the front page when I visit).

It's also on the homepage (i.e., http://www.opera.com/), at least when I visit using Opera 11.01.

See the Watch Video button between the Smarter Browsing caption/hyperlink (same as your link) and the Download button in the first view (of 4) that is displayed after loading the page (i.e., the one when Opera for PC, Mac & Linux is highlighted, before the page cycles to Opera for phones, Join the community, and Participation changes everything.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

it is a question about the website, not the browser itself

Yeah, I wasn't sure if My Opera: Feedback, questions and discussions was limited to my.opera.com, or would also include opera.com.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

For the record, that's the video here (it's not on the front page when I visit).

It's also on the homepage (i.e., http://www.opera.com/), at least when I visit using Opera 11.01.

See the Watch Video button between the Smarter Browsing caption/hyperlink (same as your link) and the Download button in the first view (of 4) that is displayed after loading the page (i.e., the one when Opera for PC, Mac & Linux is highlighted, before the page cycles to Opera for phones, Join the community, and Participation changes everything.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

And yes, thread moved - it is a question about the website, not the browser itself

Thanks, I wasn't sure if My Opera: Feedback, questions and discussions was limited to my.opera.com, or would also include opera.com.

Originally posted by Aleksander:

We are aware of this. The problem is that it's YouTube that selects the "similar" videos.

Glad you were already aware of it!

Did you catch the info above that you could at least suppress them on the embedded video on Opera webpages by adding &rel=0 to the end of the video URL in the embed code? (Won't do anything about the same Related videos on the video's YouTube page, but at least viewers of the embedded video on Opera's website won't see them.)

Originally posted by Aleksander:

We have reached out to them to see if we can get these videos changed.

Good! Hopefully you'll have a little more pull and success than individual users in the YouTube forums who seem to have no recourse whatsoever.

Originally posted by Aleksander:

In some cases they should be removed from YouTube.

I heard that!!!

When I was researching this today, I saw thumbnails for any number of videos that would appear to clearly violate YouTube's policies.

Originally posted by Jetro:

So could they have hidden data somewhere?

I was wondering the same thing, because otherwise, I just don't get it.

But I would assume YouTube had the site programmed to keep user metadata readily accessible if not visible, and to prevent user access to anyplace they could really hide metadata.

Still haven't had time to check it out a little myself, but it sure is puzzling, so I hope to as soon as I get a chance.

Thanks for posting back with your findings!

Originally posted by rafaelluik:

Uncheck "Show suggested videos when the video finishes" when you're getting the code for embedding the video. Done.

Yes, that does what I already suggested above: it adds "?&rel=0" to the end of the video URL in the embed code.

That's an extremely simple solution for the embedded video on the Opera site (which I hope they'll implement), but on the YouTube page for the Opera video those same related videos (and more) will still be displayed.

...so unfortunately, not really Done.