One more time with speeddial reloading

Wow, can't tell you how many times I've had to reconfigure my speeddial with my images. Just happened again after installing 10.52.

Yeah, I've only got 20 speeddials and I'm going to have to rename them all once again, I'm just tired of it. To make it worse, I run multiple users off 1 copy of Opera with the /settings switch so instead of 40 files in my thumb dir (my 20 and the 20 new ones) I've got about 160 and there is no easy way to discern which file belongs to which Opera.

Wish I (Or others) would figure out what makes it reload when you tell it not to.

Rant mode off

+1 A crash when first starting after the update followed by the duplication of the thumbnails on the folder.
I can get you a long list of people experiencing this issue since about 11.11 -> 11.50 -> 1.51 -> 11.52 updates. Some even completely lost their Speed Dial items (!!!).

I know the 11.52 release wasn't supposed to fix this bug, but this is UNACCEPTABLE.

Originally posted by rif:

Wow, can't tell you how many times I've had to reconfigure my speeddial with my images. Just happened again after installing 10.52.

Yeah, I've only got 20 speeddials and I'm going to have to rename them all once again, I'm just tired of it. To make it worse, I run multiple users off 1 copy of Opera with the /settings switch so instead of 40 files in my thumb dir (my 20 and the 20 new ones) I've got about 160 and there is no easy way to discern which file belongs to which Opera.

Wish I (Or others) would figure out what makes it reload when you tell it not to.

Rant mode off

same thing happens to me, buddy

I have heard the Never Refresh (right click on the icon in the Speed Dial) has a bug or is broken or something. I am not sure. In any case this doesn't help us.

I've just renamed (once again) my custom icons. I made sure my Speed dial ini file has the following for each and every icon:

Reload Policy=1
Reload Only If Expired=0

Once all the icons are all set up the way I like them.....
I Set Speed Dial State to "2" to make the dial read-only.
opera:config#Speed%20Dial%20State

I don't know if that will help, but I'm experimenting.

anyway, I fortunately only have about 20 custom icons in my Speed Dial so this doesn't take TOO long to do. Every Single time Opera updates.
But someday, maybe we won't have to do this at all.....................frankly it's my Only complaint about Opera. I have to admit that's not to shabby.
Annoying, yes. But it's still a billion times better than IE. (Oh, the horror!)

Originally posted by rif:

Wow, can't tell you how many times I've had to reconfigure my speeddial with my images. Just happened again after installing 10.52.

Originally posted by cecilia:

same thing happens to me, buddy

Never happens to me.

Try following steps (on a fresh install):
Remove all default SD entries.
Set
opera:config#Thumbnail Logo Score Banner to 1000
opera:config#Thumbnail Icon Min Height to 1000

Set your number of columns in SD configuration.
Set a manual zoom level, preferable (to avoid processing of your images at each start) to fit the size of your custom images (e.g. 50% corresponding to 128 * 80, 100% corresponding to 256 * 160 ; default aspect ratio 16 * 10)

Add now your SD items by visiting the respective links.
Replace the originated images by yours renaming them accordingly.
Write protect your custom images and the thumbnails folder where they are located.

Originally posted by cecilia:

I've just renamed (once again) my custom icons. I made sure my Speed dial ini file has the following for each and every icon:

Reload Policy=1

You better should not mess up with the .ini file. You can set this up from the GUI.
The setting for never reload is: Reload Policy=0

thanks Krake.
I'll try those settings in the config
and I never change the speed dial ini file unless I have closed Opera. Plus, I always backup those type of profile files anyway. I've never had an issue.

I used to have Reload Policy=0
but I read there was a bug......I am just trying it with "1"

anyway, thanks again

Originally posted by Krake:

Try following steps (on a fresh install)

OMG can't you see we are talking about A BUG that happens on updating???
It doesn't matter what celilia or anyone configures, it'll happen again (the crash, etc) if it isn't fixed for the next [major] release.

Even if the steps actually make to not happen again, users shouldn't have to configure things to avoid bugs. This happened on every computer I updated Opera so far and I imagine people that know less about tech having this crash, reloaded Speed Dials (bandwidth! - I mean, it'll be very slow on a slow connection, imagine. Isn't Opera the slow connections friendly browser?). Some individuals even relate losing their Speed Dial entries...

Originally posted by rafaelluik:

It doesn't matter what celilia or anyone configures, it'll happen again (the crash, etc) if it isn't fixed for the next [major] release.

So far you are the only one in this thread speaking about a crash. Maybe you should open another thread.

Originally posted by rafaelluik:

Even if the steps actually make to not happen again, users shouldn't have to configure things to avoid bugs.

The steps are not meant to avoid bugs. You can't fix bugs via configuration but you can avoid some features you don't have any use for or standing in your way. The steps only make easier to keep your custom thumbnails. For some good reasons custom thumbnails have never been an objective target of SD.

Originally posted by rafaelluik:

reloaded Speed Dials (bandwidth! - I mean, it'll be very slow on a slow connection, imagine.

If bandwidth is so precious you should never install Opera (or any other software for this matter) while being connected.

I don't have crashes.......and my Linux is stable.
However, I am also lucky to have FIOS. Fiber Optics is fast and my "complaint" about the speed dial 'forgetting' my custom icons is more about redoing it.

I do find it odd that the speed dial is made to refresh with a large image - like 1024 x 593. I can see how people with slower connections would find this really annoying. What I find objectionable is that when left to it's own devices the speed dial makes a tiny image of a web page - not easy to figure out when one has older eyes. It makes the speed dial chaotic. sloppy and useless.

anyway, at this point we will not know if any of the suggestions work until the next upgrade.

Same problem here on my RHEL5 Linux box after 11.52 update. Twenty SpeedDials and they've all reloaded in spite of me having "Speed Dial State" value set at 2 and all set to never reload. Fortunately I'm beyond really caring on this machine. Convoluted, elaborate "solutions" aren't worth the effort. FWIW Thumbnail Logo Score and Min Height were already set to 1000 in a previous bout of torment.

At home I'm permanently running 11.01 to avoid fits of lividity.

Originally posted by Krake:

So far you are the only one in this thread speaking about a crash. Maybe you should open another thread.

I thought I could take advantage of this thread. In every machine I updated Opera and 99% of the users on the Portuguese forums say they had a crash just after the installation of the update when Opera is restarting itself, the crash log dialog appears and they have to open Opera again, then we note that the thumbnails are being reloaded (are duplicated in the thumbnails folder). I thought the crash and the thumbnail reload were related. Are you sure you didn't have a crash after the update?

Originally posted by Krake:

The steps are not meant to avoid bugs. You can't fix bugs via configuration but you can avoid some features you don't have any use for or standing in your way. The steps only make easier to keep your custom thumbnails. For some good reasons custom thumbnails have never been an objective target of SD.

I don't use custom thumbnails. I believe reloading all the Speed Dials after every update isn't the best behavior anyway.

Originally posted by Krake:

If bandwidth is so precious you should never install Opera (or any other software for this matter) while being connected.

WTF? First, it makes no sense. Second, the user shouldn't be required to know this or actually do that. Third, even if we update Opera while being disconnected the thumbnails will be reloaded and when we connect they'll be updated.

Originally posted by cecilia:

I don't have crashes.......and my Linux is stable.

I'm not talking about crashes while using Opera, I'm talking about a crash just after the update.

Originally posted by cecilia:

I do find it odd that the speed dial is made to refresh with a large image - like 1024 x 593. I can see how people with slower connections would find this really annoying.

Nope, the size of the image doesn't matters. The image is generated by the browser, the real thing is that to the browser to be able to generate this image it needs to access the page. After the update Opera access all the websites on the Speed Dial to give them new thumbnails and that's what kills the connection (even my broadband).

Originally posted by rafaelluik:

Originally posted by cecilia:

I don't have crashes.......and my Linux is stable.

I'm not talking about crashes while using Opera, I'm talking about a crash just after the update.

yes, I understand that. I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. My opera doesn't crash after the update. I don't know why.

Originally posted by cecilia:

I do find it odd that the speed dial is made to refresh with a large image - like 1024 x 593. I can see how people with slower connections would find this really annoying.

Nope, the size of the image doesn't matters. The image is generated by the browser, the real thing is that to the browser to be able to generate this image it needs to access the page. After the update Opera access all the websites on the Speed Dial to give them new thumbnails and that's what kills the connection (even my broadband).

well, I just notice that the newly generated thumbnails are WAY larger in resolution than the custom thumbnails I have created.
For me it only matters that they end up looking ugly.
Not being a programmer I have no idea why an update just automatically causes a refresh in the speed dial. It's odd.

Originally posted by cecilia:

My opera doesn't crash after the update

Ahh... Ok. :/

Yep, just went through this again with my laptop. I sat there helpless watching all my custom pngs update. And it seems you have to wait for them to all update (to create the new files) before you can fix it.

Doing this once (renaming all my files) is a hassle for 1 computer but I always have to do it for 2 computers.

Originally posted by rafaelluik:

Originally posted by cecilia:

My opera doesn't crash after the update

Ahh... Ok. :/

sorry if that isn't helpful.
is it because I use Linux?
have lots of memory (almost 4 gigs of memory)?
dual-core processors?

I'm not sure.

Originally posted by cecilia:

Originally posted by rafaelluik:

Originally posted by cecilia:

My opera doesn't crash after the update

Ahh... Ok. :/

sorry if that isn't helpful.
is it because I use Linux?
have lots of memory (almost 4 gigs of memory)?
dual-core processors?

The hardware has nothing to do with it, but, actually...
I noticed that when I update using the integrated auto-update I have the crash and the thumbnail issue but if I download the installer and use it to update everything goes fine. Since on Linux there's no integrated auto-update on Opera (the update is made via the distribution updates - what means the full Opera installer), I conclude that there's a high probability that the integrated auto-update is causing the issues.

ahhhhh, I see. Interesting idea.

I only update when the Update manager tells me to do so. I'm in no rush to get updates because I need a nice stable system.

and when I get that notification I close Opera in case it is open so as to not mess things up. I let it download and install and then open Opera. then....I find the Speed Dial is busy refreshing LOL
arg.

well, at least Opera always works otherwise

This is so confusing, so even using the "installer" on Linux it reloads the thumbnails...
Ok, we may let Opera to discover why this is happening.

confusing is THE word. I've done a lot of searching and while some people seem to have their solution it clearly doesn't completely work for everyone. Right now the only thing for us to do is pay attention to our settings and wait for the next update.

Yep, just went through this again with my laptop. I sat there helpless watching all my custom pngs update. And it seems you have to wait for them to all update (to create the new files) before you can fix it.

Yep, this is a repeat of above. Just friggin' happened once again. No apparent reason.

Right before this happened I had checked for a new version of Opera (do it to get the latest browser.js file) then I shut down Opera and restarted. BANG, new speeddial images.

Seems this sorry tale is still ongoing. (Some comments here... http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1041312)

I've been trialling OperaNext, to see if the issue was soon resolved, but bar just the one O.Next version where speeddial behaved properly, it too behaves badly and doesn't follow the instructions given by the user or as laid out in the code. I'm staying on the v11.50 until the issues are identified and solved. - Or until I move another browser, which considering I've been using Opera as my primary browser since v4 or v5, I'm finding to be an extremely hard task in itself.

Oh well. It's been fun. But this a sad way to end it.

I had wondered if it was my own LAN URLs causing the problems as they need certificates to be authorised to be run, and the newer versions (>11.50) are mishandling the storage of my Media playerS, NAS, etc, etc. This idea got poo-poo'd quite quikly IIRC, so I stopped further testing for a while and instead I grieved my imminent loss or what has been my most used, most useful, most tweakable and most useful tool in my entire IT life.

Maybe I'll give all this another good testing session in the next few weeks. I Just need to set aside the time and inclination to sit down and fully view what's going on with a clear head.

Drop your advice and tips in the thread so we can try and pin down the issues properly and get 'em resolved fully and finally.

Good luck people.

well, don't leave Opera just because THIS is an annoyance. I won't.
one way or the other, I'm sure we can find a way around the problem.

Originally posted by operasince-v5:

Seems this sorry tale is still ongoing. (Some comments here... http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1041312)

Yep, just happened AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

the problem seems to be with the javascript engine. I found this by accident on a page the open a popup window to get you to subscribe.
that got me thinking so i closed the popup and turned of javascript. the reloaded the page in speed dial. the thumbnail is generated correctly. :O
this cleared up a few more thumbs in the speeddial page, this seems to only be a probelm in windows version as speeddial on my linux system works just fine.

Not sure about it being a JS issue, has this been confirmed?

This issue is finally resolved for me in v11.60.

the problem did not occur after upgrading to 11.60

so far, so good......

Different problem for me, because I forget to re-start Opera offline.

On the first run after upgrade, Opera tried to add several more speeddials but there were a few tricks already posted here to stop Opera breaking things... The huge png "thumbnails" can be resized (mogrify -geometry 256x160 ~/.opera/thumbnails/*.png). Then stop Opera from changing them (chmod -R a-w ~/.opera/thumbnails). And finally, chmod -w ~/.opera/speeddial.ini will stop Opera from overwriting it. (Edited to add: opthumb.dat also needs to be made read-only.)

The same chmod -w does for ~/.opera/search.ini, too. Also, with ~/.opera/search.ini suitably customized, sudo rm /usr/share/opera/*/*/search.ini /usr/share/opera/*/search.ini gets rid of any pesky or duck-related unwanted search engines. Any default searches will have to be added to ~/.opera/search.ini first.

After a quick restart, I had my speedials and my search engines unchanged and as I wanted them. YMMV, but it worked for me.

Originally posted by rif:

Wow, can't tell you how many times I've had to reconfigure my speeddial with my images. Just happened again after installing 10.52.

Yeah, I've only got 20 speeddials and I'm going to have to rename them all once again, I'm just tired of it. To make it worse, I run multiple users off 1 copy of Opera with the /settings switch so instead of 40 files in my thumb dir (my 20 and the 20 new ones) I've got about 160 and there is no easy way to discern which file belongs to which Opera.

Wish I (Or others) would figure out what makes it reload when you tell it not to.

Rant mode off

Doesn't anyone else use OperaThumbnailer 1.2? It makes it easy to fix the thumbnails.
I do agree it is a nuisance that they get wiped out, but that app takes some of the pain away.
Here's a link to it: OperaThumbnailer 1.2 download page
Ignore the caveat; it works fine - with Windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit, anyway.

Originally posted by rif:

Originally posted by operasince-v5:

Seems this sorry tale is still ongoing. (Some comments here... http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1041312)

Yep, just happened AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

And again.

I had updated to 11.62 when it came out (Last week?). I haven't used Opera for a few days as I was out of town. Just started it and WHAM, there goes all my speeddials reloading.

Originally posted by rif:

Originally posted by rif:

Originally posted by operasince-v5:

Seems this sorry tale is still ongoing. (Some comments here... http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1041312)

Yep, just happened AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

And again.

I had updated to 11.62 when it came out (Last week?). I haven't used Opera for a few days as I was out of town. Just started it and WHAM, there goes all my speeddials reloading.

when I updated to 11.62 nothing happened to my Speed Dial. I have all my Speed Dials set up to Never refresh. There hasn't been a problem here for the last 3 or so upgrades