Internet Neutrality

On the topic of internet neutrality, I think this is an important documentary that should get exposure. You should vote it up on youtube if you support this cause. Apparently, that gives it a chance to appear at a film festival.

Its nothing new. People have always been controlled by the media, by cultures, or their peers. If you want to be truly free, learn to control your own mind.

Well you can just accept that if you want, but some people believe society should progress.

Society in general has become more brain-washed than ever before. It is the cleverness of the advertising industry, newspapers and tv. It seems that more people these days rather than work something out or challenge the media accept it as if it was not refutable. "It was in the papers" or "It was on tv" kind of thing. Very often communities or countires have been deeply influenced by the media and the red top newspapers that feed on them.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Society in general has become more brain-washed than ever before.

But luckily not the likes of Howie?

p.s.,
I haven't watched the video in the OP. Was there a point made about the legal term "internet neutrality" (a misnomer, BTW)? Or was it just a kiddie version of "Why won't They tell us the Truth?"

Was there something wrong with sound in this video?

Originally posted by xyzoneon:

Well you can just accept that if you want, but some people believe society should progress.

If everyone in society learnt to control their own mind, and to think independently, then society would progress.

Oh, of course OakdalFTL I cannot be easily brainwashed I am not a run-of-the-mill American who has been brought up with brainwashing. I grant you that those that come on here are exceptions often but the rule is something else. Mayb you should dumb down to Irn Bru for clearer thoughts?

Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by xyzoneon:

Well you can just accept that if you want, but some people believe society should progress.

If everyone in society learnt to control their own mind, and to think independently, then society would progress.

And if my aunt had wheels she'd be a bicycle. The point is you're not going to get that by allowing all media to be centralized by interests. Also, independent thinking itself is fine, but haven't you ever heard the expression "knowledge is power"? Do you think that's just a meaningless expression? If you allow the powerful interests to usurp the weaker interests of democracy, how are people supposed to inform themselves with something that resembles unbiased facts? What does independent thinking matter when it's ignorant thinking due to lack of information? It's already hard enough as it is, and they want to eliminate the most important option, the internet.

Sorry, but some people are not just going to take it sitting down without a peep and hope that chaos theory or some other natural law will make for the best outcome. That's nihilistic non-action nothingness, not even rhetoric. The same goes for the people that downplay global warming merely as ideology without a direct vested interest in denying it.

Neutrality makes me remember Machiavelli's words, always take a side, because if you don't those who will be losing will never pardon that you didn't help them and those that are going to win will never forget that you didn't support them.
So, I'll take a side, to defend those who will lose and I stand for Internet neutrality.

Originally posted by xyzoneon:

The point is you're not going to get that by allowing all media to be centralized by interests.

Whether we allow it or not, all media is influenced to a great or lesser degree by interests. If your aunt wants to buy a bicycle, she can read newspaper advertisements, Google ads, so-called independent reviews in consumer magazines, ask her friends, or she can just go the cycle shop and decide for herself which bicycle represents the best value for money. If she thinks none of them are any good, she can make her own bicycle from parts, or continue to walk everywhere.

Originally posted by Pesala:

If everyone in society learnt to control their own mind, and to think independently, then society would progress.

Yes. Yes. We Must All Think Independently.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Originally posted by Pesala:

If everyone in society learnt to control their own mind, and to think independently, then society would progress.

Yes. Yes. We Must All Think Independently.

Absolutely. It would mean the end of all regimented thinking i.e. political parties and religions.

Actually probably the only people that can think independently are those who are totally uneducated either formally or by contact with other human beings and have no predisposition to order their thoughts (akin to selecting directories to order files in a computer) which would have the effect of slanting their thoughts in one direction or another. The chances are that the results of their musings would be infantile at best. Literally; an abandoned baby would enjoy such "perfection" - I use that word very loosely - while it survived.

Such "pure" thought is probably not possible, or at least not productive, because we all learn from other people's views or interpretations. We may kid ourselves that we can take an objective view of these things but we are all influenced to one degree or another. It's a dilemma if we are trying to be truly independent in thought. I'm not against that striving (for independence of thought) but a necessary step to make the process legitimate is to recognise the existence of possible influences and, if possible, identify them.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by xyzoneon:

The point is you're not going to get that by allowing all media to be centralized by interests.

Whether we allow it or not, all media is influenced to a great or lesser degree by interests. If your aunt wants to buy a bicycle, she can read newspaper advertisements, Google ads, so-called independent reviews in consumer magazines, ask her friends, or she can just go the cycle shop and decide for herself which bicycle represents the best value for money. If she thinks none of them are any good, she can make her own bicycle from parts, or continue to walk everywhere.

I don't think you got at all what I said about the bicycle, so I'll just leave it at that.

Originally posted by string:

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Originally posted by Pesala:

If everyone in society learnt to control their own mind, and to think independently, then society would progress.

Yes. Yes. We Must All Think Independently.

Absolutely. It would mean the end of all regimented thinking i.e. political parties and religions.

Actually probably the only people that can think independently are those who are totally uneducated either formally or by contact with other human beings and have no predisposition to order their thoughts (akin to selecting directories to order files in a computer) which would have the effect of slanting their thoughts in one direction or another. The chances are that the results of their musings would be infantile at best. Literally; an abandoned baby would enjoy such "perfection" - I use that word very loosely - while it survived.

Such "pure" thought is probably not possible, or at least not productive, because we all learn from other people's views or interpretations. We may kid ourselves that we can take an objective view of these things but we are all influenced to one degree or another. It's a dilemma if we are trying to be truly independent in thought. I'm not against that striving (for independence of thought) but a necessary step to make the process legitimate is to recognise the existence of possible influences and, if possible, identify them.

Forget independent thought. You're right in what you say that it's not the ultimate solution. Critical thinking is because that's all we can realistically aspire for. And not that it's that difficult to achieve, but it's certainly not the path of least resistance.

At any rate, this internet neutrality issue boils down to two simple notions, imo: more choice vs. less or none. I think even common sense tells me more choice is worth siding with. And it's not like this is something that new. The phone companies went through the same thing decades ago when monopolies were forcefully broken apart, except now it's in reverse. Everyday, these telecoms lobby as hard as they can to use government enforcement against competition, while their shills shout about the free market in the MSM.

The day society as a whole moves forward is when we as a culture accept change as fate. Other we live learning to conform.

These happenings in the senate might be of interest to some.
http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/11/11/03/net-neutrality-what-you-need-know
FCC's official authority over the internet is under attack. Right on cue, with the excuse of a "polarized" congress. Upholding the voice and choice of the big telecoms and the msm is good for profits!

Good for their profits, but still,

more choice of content is bad for business.

In other news, up is down, war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength.