Inappropriate Images in "Latest Photos" section

Hardly a day goes by that I do not see pictures in the 'Latest Photos' section that include nudity,sexuality, and outright pornography. While I am not opposed to people having and sharing these images with their friends I feel they should not be showing up in the public feeds. As it is, I could not recommend My Opera to anyone with children. Also, I don't feel removing the latest photos feed is the answer as it is a very nice part of the My Opera experience.Perhaps the pictures could be previewed for appropriateness before entering the feed. I realize this entails a great deal of work. Is there any way a volunteer group of community members could be set up to preview pics in much the same way a wiki works? This group should only be charged with determining if a picture should be on the live feed and not empowered to remove users. I think this would help to make My Opera a more enjoyable place for people of all ages.

The point is if I can see it to report it then the picture has already been seen in an area accessible by children.

Originally posted by Tamil:

Open inappropriate image and use report button.

I have reported a lot of nude and phornographic photos.
Before a member could create an album there's a warning saying "it is not allowed to upload nude photos"

I think it does not make any difference since those people just disregard it and continue uploading.
So I guess MyOpera have to do something to abort the uploading process and not wait till someone have to report it.
A lot of work but is important if the community gears toward being a family site.

Some adults need to grow up. If they don't want their children to see porn then they will have to supervise them all of the time or use some software like "Net Nanny." Education is the solution, not restrictions. Giving the message that something is prohibited or secret will only exacerbate the problem.

The existing "Report" buttons are adequate to keep My Opera largely free from hard-core porn. Soft porn can be seen by kids of any age in most European and US cities at any bus stop or shopping centre. It is no surprise that soft porn can easily be found in the Popular Photos category.

OMG Two Women Kissing in the Featured Photos section. Some people will call that porn.

Previewing every single image uploaded to My Opera is clearly impossible. Any software based solution is going to filter out a lot of perfectly acceptable photos.

You are correct Pesala...some adults do need to grow up. Users could upload photos into folders configured as 'private' or 'for friends' and then what they upload will not show in the public feed. However, some of what we are dealing with are "cyber-flashers". They are the internet equivalent of the guy who hangs around school yards wearing nothind but a long coat. Software like Net Nanny would prevent access to My Opera altogether and that is what I feel should be avoided. This should be a place for the entire family. To simply say 'it's impossible so let's do nothing' is not a solution...it's part of the problem. Certiainly, prohibiting something does make it more appealing to some people but that is a poor excuse for initiating an anything goes culture. By adapting a wiki-like approach community standards will be established.

Originally posted by McBill:

Is there any way a volunteer group of community members could be set up to preview pics in much the same way a wiki works?

Your idea is totally impractical, and Wikipedia does not implement any checks — an image that I upload appeared immediately. No doubt an offensive image would soon get taken down, as it does here, but there are no checks to stop them appearing in the first place.

Every time there is a thread like this I check to see what the big fuss is about, and this time I didn't find anything that I would regard as offensive. Who is going to set the standards anyway? Most westerners wouldn't even consider blocking either of the images that I linked to above.

I am sure that Net Nanny can be set to block just the photos page, without blocking the entire site.

bonjour , hello

I agree with Pesala, the photos of Opera are no more shocking than those seen elsewhere
and we must differentiate the nude, it can be visible to all people

else , opera will go into censorship and where to stop ?
anyone can be shocked by something that will not shock the other, nude, politics, religion etc. ....

sorry for my english

opcat, no need to apologize for your English...it's much better than my francais. I don't like the word censorship as it has a negative ring to it but the uploader page already says 'no nude' and I guess that can be considered censorship. I agree that it may be difficult to set the limits. However, the same argument could be used by people who like to see child porn and I think we can all agree that is not desirable.

Pesala..Wikipedia is not the only wiki on the net. In a well run wiki it is the community of users which determine (within guidelines established by the site owner) the overall tone. A member charged with screening images who allowed porn to appear would not allowed to continue in that capacity.There are many porn sites out there and I don't think we need to turn this into one. Banning children from the site or just the photos page is not an acceptable solution if this is a place for the whole family. I believe you are saying the idea is impractical when what you mean is that ,for you, it is undesirable.

Originally posted by McBill:

I believe you are saying the idea is impractical when what you mean is that , for you, it is undesirable.

Nope. I mean what I said — it is impractical. There are 8 million members any of whom can have multiple photo albums.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Nope. I mean what I said — it is impractical. There are 8 million members any of whom can have multiple photo albums.

Then you simply do not understand what a wiki is. You see the members as 8 million reasons to not do anything . To you they are an excuse to support cyber'flashers. The numbers you cite are actually a great resource. A wiki's strength lies in the large numbers of dedicated members willing to work together. I suggest you stop looking for reasons to grow the problem and start looking for solutions...think positive !!

Originally posted by McBill:

To you they are an excuse to support cyber'flashers.

Please stop posting defamatory nonsense. The photos area is almost always free from hard-core porn, and any that does slip through soon disappears, and the user is then banned.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Please stop posting defamatory nonsense.

I have posted nothing which could be construed as being defamatory. I have only attempted to open a meaningful dialogue about an obvious problem and that is obviously a difficult task. It is better to stop the flasher before he opens his overcoat in front of children than act after the fact. Banned users tend to show up with a new alias. To deny the problem is to support it.

McBill
the members as you described are really the exception, in the Opera blogs
children are more risk on Facebook or elsewhere than on Opera
and when they want to see porn sites they know where he must go
bye

Originally posted by McBill:

To deny the problem is to support it.

That is why I say that your remarks are defamatory. I do not deny the problem, and neither do I support the posting of pornography. It exists — educate your children about the issues. It is impractical to prevent it completely.

opcat, you are correct. If they were the norm rather than the exception I wouldn't bother trying to suggest ways to improve. Young people who want to see porn will find it but they should not be exposed to it on a site like this. Please understand, I am not suggesting that a vigilante group be formed to go through everyone's files. I have only tried to improve one small part of this place. I also agree this is safer than FB and would assert that the higher quality here should not be an impediment to further improvement.

I understand your point of view but freedom of expression, especially now, is not something to play lightly.
If anyone sees this pedophile blogs , I doubt that they remain active for long, a member necessarily will see it and will inform the forum

As they say, there's no sense in flogging a dead horse. It would seem I am alone in wanting to correct the problem. I appreciate Opcat's concern for freedom of expression and respect the well thought out rationale.It is refreshing to see someone disagree for a reason rather than simplistic denial. I feel better management of the live feeds would actually strengthen that freedom.
However, I am now abandoning this thread. Clearly, there is an almost complete lack of interest. Sadly, no one from My Opera has seen fit to offer an opinion. I was of the impression the forums was the place to ask questions of the ' powers that be ' and not just engage in discussions with fellow users. Cheers.

At the end of the day, Pesala is correct in what he has said.
Any images deemed offensive can be reported.
Offensive images are removed anyway.
The issue is and has been dealt with.
8,000,000 users is near impossible to censor every move made.

The internet is full of shadows and any young person using it should be fully aware of what may happen.
All my daughter needs to do is type `school uniform' into a search engine and she is confronted with what could be called offensive images.

If you don't use `net nanny' or whatever and are worried about these issues then you may as well bar your children from leaving there room.
In some countries they do, and what a messed up person the child becomes.

also, what about TV, radio, books, magazines, cinemas, etc .... these days .... ponder ....

I am new to opera and I too am shocked at the pictures which appear. It is beyond foolish to say the problem has been dealt with. I like your idea mcbill but i dont see it working if the responses here are indicative of what you have to work with. I have helped set up many corporate wikis and can say from experience that the resistance from those who wish to abuse the system is the greatest obstacle. You seem frustrated that the respondants dont understand the importance of removing the images before they are seen by children. They do understand McBill but choose to ignore it.

Originally posted by scorpo99:

I am new to opera and I too am shocked at the pictures which appear.

Where? What pictures do you find shocking? Instead of complaining, do something about it by reporting images. After spending a few hours of your free time sifting through thousands of images, perhaps you will understand why no one else is willing to volunteer do it.

sorry but ,why do you not used these buttons, if you see a pedophile blog ?

Originally posted by Pesala:

Where? What pictures do you find shocking? I

Really?? I'm not about to supply you with links to dirty pictures. Reporting a picture IS complaining. If you would read the posts you will see the first one admits the amount of work involved. That is why the idea of a wiki approach was suggested. That way nobody has to spend 'a few hours' as the work is shared. I really cant fathom why you are unable to grasp the concept.


Question of the Day:
Why do those with the least to say talk the most?

Originally posted by scorpo99:

They do understand McBill but choose to ignore it.

No we do not ignore it. We disagree regarding the best way to deal with it.

The issue has been discussed before many time. Some people got too demanding.

There is a balance to be struck between personal freedom/responsibility and censorship.

Originally posted by EspenAO:

Porn, scam and spam are some of our biggest issues with the service as of today. We have a few ideas how to cope with it over time, but we wanted My Opera to be an open community with no censorship or filters on content, but it seems we may have to add a few rules to prevent offensive content from appearing on our site.

We're always looking for more talented people to help out. If you want to be part of our team and volunteer to help moderate My Opera, send me a private messsage

Since there does seem to be so little to say here ... thread closed. As always, report any images (or blog posts, or forum posts) which violate the rules and we will get to them as we can.